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SockHaser

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Riki is rather easy if you shut him down early game, but he will get farm no matter what. Puck is great to blink in, silence, ulti, orb + phase shift out.

I don't know if it is still in Dota 2, but you used to be able (if you were fast enough) to die while you sent out orb, buy back and port to it. I know you can hook with Pudge just before getting sent back by Chen and drag the person all the way back to the well.

Yes, you can bb and jaunt back.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Riki is rather easy if you shut him down early game, but he will get farm no matter what. Puck is great to blink in, silence, ulti, orb + phase shift out.

I don't know if it is still in Dota 2, but you used to be able (if you were fast enough) to die while you sent out orb, buy back and port to it. I know you can hook with Pudge just before getting sent back by Chen and drag the person all the way back to the well.

The riki wasn't that good, he ended up with a headdress (I was like, eh?), MKB, and Manta. No diffusal. It was just that his spells are pretty much instant, so there's no good way to dodge them, and his silence counters Puck so hard.

We didn't have a Chen, I would have liked to have tried that a couple of times. I've tried fountain hooking as a Chen, but the Pudge can never get it off properly.
 

smackababy

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So, I've been silenced... Maybe Valve should stop queuing me with morons and I wouldn't be so abrasive. 5 queued a bit with friends and did good though, so Mumble > Valve.
 

Rinaun

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Solo queue is more suffer in Dota than HoN. At least, in HoN I can dominate gank and they all concede at 15 minutes.

Solo queue.......this is mainly why I avoid MOBA games. When you mix in 5 non-friend players on a team randomly it's almost impossible to get a fair match. It's rare to find a good game past 2am PST; you can tell the matchmaking quality degrades due to a lack of US players. Sure, you can have some good games and luck out, but in my opinion it's just not worth it when some people treat this game either as "just another game y u so mad i'm feed mid bro" or they treat it as a second career.

Secondly, I think if they made a casual mode where you weren't rewarded so much for smurfing/stacking, people might migrate from LoL to DOTA 2. LoL is more popular for a multitude of reasons but easier gameplay mechanics for casuals is of the biggest perks to playing LoL. Feeding is horrible for lower tiers in all mobas, and a smart player capitalizes on this by farming the feeder. When this happens, the 4 people on the feeder's team can't really do much aside from maybe babysitting this bad player(s). All they can do is lose, block him, requeue, and hope their time doesn't get wasted again.

Another side note: what I noticed in DOTA and a majority of MOBAs is they encourage people to feed on the weakest players by giving large perks for kills. This is fine for non-casuals, but for casual players looking to play with someone better or worse than them, it causes stress (babysitting lane mates in hopes they dont feed, etc etc). A simple adjustment in a casual-only mode would make dota 2 much more popular than it is now.


So, I've been silenced... Maybe Valve should stop queuing me with morons and I wouldn't be so abrasive.

Sounds like you should be queuing with friends. I've had nothing but horrible luck with grouping in most 2-5 player games. Payday 2 is a great example of how many retards play games. I've had people join the hardest missions and be level 2 with zero perks.
 
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Mr. Pedantic

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Just had a game as Drow. I hate her so much, but when she gets going...

Got the chance to get a 5 minute Midas in that game. Never been in a lane with uncontested free farm before.

That thread is hilarious!

Yeah. I'm a bit conflicted. On the one hand the OP is a complete douchebag and he deserves everything and anything he gets. On the other hand, it is an abuse of power and a bit discriminatory for him to be singled out for such an extended punishment simply because a Valve employee happened to be there.
 

Destiny

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Just had a game as Drow. I hate her so much, but when she gets going...

Got the chance to get a 5 minute Midas in that game. Never been in a lane with uncontested free farm before.



Yeah. I'm a bit conflicted. On the one hand the OP is a complete douchebag and he deserves everything and anything he gets. On the other hand, it is an abuse of power and a bit discriminatory for him to be singled out for such an extended punishment simply because a Valve employee happened to be there.

Probably what happened was more than a few people reported chronic verbal abuser... then during match making, a Valve employee qued in with abuser to see if it was true. Once he verified he was a chronic abuser - gave him a fair warning - the chronic abuser lite up on him then he issued him the silence/ban-hammer...

At least it confirms Valve is actually doing stuff to make the Dota community better - I remember back in in the days (before high speed internet for homes) when someone raged at me, my friends and I would just drive over to the PC Cafe and donkey punched him...
 
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smackababy

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Probably what happened was more than a few people reported chronic verbal abuser... then during match making, a Valve employee qued in with abuser to see if it was true. Once he verified he was a chronic abuser - gave him a fair warning - the chronic abuser lite up on him then he issued him the silence/ban-hammer...

At least it confirms Valve is actually doing stuff to make the Dota community better - I remember back in in the days (before high speed internet for homes) when someone raged at me, my friends and I would just drive over to the PC Cafe and donkey punched him...

What is most likely to have happened is the Valve employee got butthurt someone didn't believe his was a Valve employee. The "I work at <insert company that makes the game we're playing> and am going to ban you!" stopped being popular in like 2001.

I got silenced for 24 hours because, I guess, I will yell at my team for doing stupid stuff and they don't like it. Well, when I tell you to stop auto attacking the creeps as Furion or at least push the tower properly, and you don't, you deserve it.

If someone leaves your game, and it states stats are no longer counted, does it count as a win or a loss? I have had quite a few games where someone, on my team always, leaves right away.
 

Dijeangenie

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If someone leaves your game, and it states stats are no longer counted, does it count as a win or a loss? I have had quite a few games where someone, on my team always, leaves right away.

If it says that (I think it happens when someone leaves before 5 minutes or first blood or something... I'm not sure) then you don't get a win or a loss- although sometimes Dotabuff counts games where it says that (and does not count games where it doesnt) - which explains the difference in games played/win totals etc
 

KaOTiK

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I got silenced for 24 hours because, I guess, I will yell at my team for doing stupid stuff and they don't like it. Well, when I tell you to stop auto attacking the creeps as Furion or at least push the tower properly, and you don't, you deserve it.

This is where so many players go wrong. They think because they say something or tell someone to do something that the other person needs to listen to them. In many cases the person telling the other is correct in what they are telling them, but when you don't explain WHY not to or to do something and in 99% of cases don't even say it in a nice manner, of course people are not going to listen. When someone doesn't listen to what you tell them, here is the shocker, no it does not give you free reign to go off and yell at them and will in fact make everything worse.

There are ways to communicate something that involves NOT being a dick. A lot of players don't understand this because they are or think they are correct in what they are saying.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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What is most likely to have happened is the Valve employee got butthurt someone didn't believe his was a Valve employee. The "I work at <insert company that makes the game we're playing> and am going to ban you!" stopped being popular in like 2001.

I got silenced for 24 hours because, I guess, I will yell at my team for doing stupid stuff and they don't like it. Well, when I tell you to stop auto attacking the creeps as Furion or at least push the tower properly, and you don't, you deserve it.

If someone leaves your game, and it states stats are no longer counted, does it count as a win or a loss? I have had quite a few games where someone, on my team always, leaves right away.

AFAIK he didn't actually say he was a Valve employee.
 

smackababy

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True - I have to laugh at that thread. Dude was an obvious jackass.

Regardless, what does the community benefit from having a guy muted for 2 months? "Oh, someone was mean to me on the internet so I'ma show him!" <2 month ban> That is a bit excessive in pretty much all cases. Now, I didn't see what he said, but I suspect it couldn't have been that bad. And after reading the pastebin of what I assume was the game in question, the guy said nothing really that bad, and someone else was trolling him all game. If the Valve employee was the guy spamming 'jajajaja' like some Brazilian, and then silenced the guy for responded negatively, well Valve is not getting another dollar from me.

Having someone muted hurts the community more than someone being mean does. Half of my games already have people without mics, and if they couldn't talk, it would be complete suffer.
 

KaOTiK

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Well 2 months is excessive, it sends a message that is very loud and clear. Don't be a dick. That is the thing with this community, people believe it is ok to be a dick to others and guess what? No, it is not.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Regardless, what does the community benefit from having a guy muted for 2 months? "Oh, someone was mean to me on the internet so I'ma show him!" <2 month ban> That is a bit excessive in pretty much all cases. Now, I didn't see what he said, but I suspect it couldn't have been that bad. And after reading the pastebin of what I assume was the game in question, the guy said nothing really that bad, and someone else was trolling him all game. If the Valve employee was the guy spamming 'jajajaja' like some Brazilian, and then silenced the guy for responded negatively, well Valve is not getting another dollar from me.

Having someone muted hurts the community more than someone being mean does. Half of my games already have people without mics, and if they couldn't talk, it would be complete suffer.

I always used to think that Muting was a punishment that hurt the player's teammates more than the player himself, but in this case I think it'll do nicely. Given all that comes out of this guy's mouth seems to be vitriol, I think 2 months where he won't be able to say anything would be a nice change.
 

smackababy

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Well 2 months is excessive, it sends a message that is very loud and clear. Don't be a dick. That is the thing with this community, people believe it is ok to be a dick to others and guess what? No, it is not.

But it doesn't send any message except to him and his friend. And even then, that message is "don't flame Valve employees because the ban will be much harsher than if you insulted a random person". If the OP hadn't took the effort to whine about being banned (in completely the wrong place and in the wrong way), nobody would know.

Yes, the guy who got banned deserved to be silenced, but not for 2 months unless he had already been silenced for 1 day, 2 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, whatever. It can't just be arbitrarily handed out. Not to mention, I've seen things incredibly worse than what the OP said. If Valve feels their staff should be treated with respect, they should be identifiable.

The punishment for assaulting a police officer is much higher than a normal person, but that is only in the capacity they identify themselves (includes them wearing the uniform / badge). If they are in civilian clothes, they are just a regular person.

The Valve employee should have used the report system like everyone else. Either give them special colored names or a [Valve] tag or stop pretending they should be some kind of sleeper agents that can mute you for 2 months.
 

SockHaser

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But it doesn't send any message except to him and his friend. And even then, that message is "don't flame Valve employees because the ban will be much harsher than if you insulted a random person". If the OP hadn't took the effort to whine about being banned (in completely the wrong place and in the wrong way), nobody would know.

Yes, the guy who got banned deserved to be silenced, but not for 2 months unless he had already been silenced for 1 day, 2 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, whatever. It can't just be arbitrarily handed out. Not to mention, I've seen things incredibly worse than what the OP said. If Valve feels their staff should be treated with respect, they should be identifiable.

The punishment for assaulting a police officer is much higher than a normal person, but that is only in the capacity they identify themselves (includes them wearing the uniform / badge). If they are in civilian clothes, they are just a regular person.

The Valve employee should have used the report system like everyone else. Either give them special colored names or a [Valve] tag or stop pretending they should be some kind of sleeper agents that can mute you for 2 months.

He literally said this in the complaint thread

"This game is LITERALLY unplayable for 6 days because I don't want to play with faggots"

Yeah, I don't feel sorry for him.
 
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smackababy

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He literally said this in the complaint thread

"This game is LITERALLY unplayable for 6 days because I don't want to play with faggots"

Yeah, I don't feel sorry for him.

I never said I felt sorry for him. But, the Valve employee was being awful at Dota; which is what I suspect this is really about: employee gets flamed for feeding and deals out an excessive punishment because is butthurt over it.
 

SockHaser

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I never said I felt sorry for him. But, the Valve employee was being awful at Dota; which is what I suspect this is really about: employee gets flamed for feeding and deals out an excessive punishment because is butthurt over it.

How does he even know the Valve employee was the one who punished him?

He apparently also posted this "I have had no Chat-Suspension for a month+ nor any LP reports for the past 2 weeks."' Which shows that he had actually been muted and LP'd before.
 

KaOTiK

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But it doesn't send any message except to him and his friend. And even then, that message is "don't flame Valve employees because the ban will be much harsher than if you insulted a random person". If the OP hadn't took the effort to whine about being banned (in completely the wrong place and in the wrong way), nobody would know.

Yes, the guy who got banned deserved to be silenced, but not for 2 months unless he had already been silenced for 1 day, 2 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, whatever. It can't just be arbitrarily handed out. Not to mention, I've seen things incredibly worse than what the OP said. If Valve feels their staff should be treated with respect, they should be identifiable.

The punishment for assaulting a police officer is much higher than a normal person, but that is only in the capacity they identify themselves (includes them wearing the uniform / badge). If they are in civilian clothes, they are just a regular person.

The Valve employee should have used the report system like everyone else. Either give them special colored names or a [Valve] tag or stop pretending they should be some kind of sleeper agents that can mute you for 2 months.

We don't know any other things besides what this guy is wanting to tell us. I bet you though he has a history, a reported history and I wouldn't be surprised if that played a significant part in this extreme case. Sometimes the only way to teach someone something is to go overboard. I'm not saying it is right or not, but we don't know all the details.

What we do moba games have a horrible rep for crappy communities and we know Valve wants to make sure this is not the case with Dota 2. So they might very well indeed come down hard on people. The assholes aren't going to keep the game alive, but will instead kill it.
 

Chiropteran

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Being awful at dota isn't a crime. Besides, 99% of the players are awful compared to the top 1%, including probably everyone posting in this thread.

On the other hand, trash talking your own team is something that can lead to being muted.

I don't think it is so much a case of being punished more for trashing a valve employee. Rather I think if it's just the fact that a valve employee witness the trash talk first hand that led to the more severe punishment.
 

smackababy

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Being awful at dota isn't a crime. Besides, 99% of the players are awful compared to the top 1%, including probably everyone posting in this thread.

On the other hand, trash talking your own team is something that can lead to being muted.

I don't think it is so much a case of being punished more for trashing a valve employee. Rather I think if it's just the fact that a valve employee witness the trash talk first hand that led to the more severe punishment.

It isn't just about being bad at Dota though. I've had games were someone on my team admitted they were new to Dota but played LoL and, this is the real kicker, listened to the suggestions that were made about build and what to do. The player then responded that my friend and I were much nicer than the LoL community. Well, when you take the advice given, people generally are nice. When you don't know what you're doing and are making bad choices, and refusing to listen to the voice of reason, people will flame you.

I'd also like to point out, if I had the power, I'd make being awful at Dota a crime. I hate getting people who are bad, believe they aren't, and refuse to listen.
 
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