What really bothers me is the label of CO2 as a pollutant. What to do about it? Cast down the believers trying to scare us with their faux science, which they've NEVER demonstrated a competency in.
Take the people blaming Katrina and Sandy on AGW and go gator hunting with them.
Just some of the failed predictions.
Climate Change
Too bad that Moonie and Loonie didn't spend Billions or Trillions trying to stop it or Parrotboy didn't show an equation proving the world is 6,000 years old.
http://www.terry.uga.edu/~mustard/courses/e2200/pop.htm
CO2 is exhaust and fatal at higher concentrations:
The levels of CO2 in the air and potential health problems are:
250 - 350 ppm background (normal) outdoor air level
350- 1,000 ppm - typical level found in occupied spaces with good air exchange.
1,000 2,000 ppm - level associated with complaints of drowsiness and poor air.
2,000 5,000 ppm level associated with headaches, sleepiness, and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present.
>5,000 ppm this indicates unusual air conditions where high levels of other gases could also be present. Toxicity or oxygen deprivation could occur. This is the permissible exposure limit for daily workplace exposures.
>40,000 ppm - this level is immediately harmful due to oxygen deprivation.
Manwhile other nations like China are laying waste to theie environment.
Because they want to be like us. Who cares about the earth when money is to be made. We talk all the time about how great modern man is but there is a huge price to be paid for that. The more technology, the more consumerism, the more damage to the planet.
China has more cars now than the USA. India will probably have more cars than both these countries in the future. That means more shopping malls and more products. More land destroyed to build stuff. But whatever, technology and global trade trumps everything.
Because they want to be like us. Who cares about the earth when money is to be made. We talk all the time about how great modern man is but there is a huge price to be paid for that. The more technology, the more consumerism, the more damage to the planet.
China has more cars now than the USA. India will probably have more cars than both these countries in the future. That means more shopping malls and more products. More land destroyed to build stuff. But whatever, technology and global trade trumps everything.
China is killing itself. But China can get things done on command, unlike here where morons have to be dragged kicking and screaming to vote yes.
China had a problem with flies, years back, and called for a fly killing day using all of China's people for a day as a swat team. End of fly problem.
Perhaps Global Warming like the Flu Virus and Cancer are all part of Intellegent Design... So, why bother? It was designed to kill us all and here we are trying to thwart God's grand scheme...
Well since the brain defect that will do nothing to address it isn't a universal, it could be that we are intended to deal with it like we do flu and cancer, treat it as a dangerous disease. I know such thinking on my part causes a bit of resentment among the conservatives who have this disease, resentment and fear, but they never ever consider it from my point of view. They never think about what they would feel if I had a disease that was threatening to kill THEM. Geez. There's a great deal of irony, I guess, in the notion that God gave us brains to solve our problems and then turns around and makes a brain defect that, if you have it, causes you run from your problems while pretending they don't exist.
That is the disconnect!...
Some say that some virus IS God induced and mainly to kill off the ummmm well... undeserving among us... and collateral damage from that is to be expected, I guess.
What I find amazing is the 'reasonably factual' notion that brains do evolve within the lifetime to facilitate the apparent dictate of the person undergoing this process... So... which causes what. Are these folks indoctrinated as youth to think a certain way and develop the brain condition that furthers that? I think that to be true. And, Global Warming and the like fall into the category that they can't accept... and therefore, 'run' away from it and seek solace in any alternative to that.
So when are scientists forecasting that the atmospheric CO2 levels will reach even 1000 ppm? Or is the list above yet another meaningless fear-mongering tactic?CO2 is exhaust and fatal at higher concentrations:
The levels of CO2 in the air and potential health problems are:
250 - 350 ppm background (normal) outdoor air level
350- 1,000 ppm - typical level found in occupied spaces with good air exchange.
1,000 2,000 ppm - level associated with complaints of drowsiness and poor air.
2,000 5,000 ppm level associated with headaches, sleepiness, and stagnant, stale, stuffy air. Poor concentration, loss of attention, increased heart rate and slight nausea may also be present.
>5,000 ppm this indicates unusual air conditions where high levels of other gases could also be present. Toxicity or oxygen deprivation could occur. This is the permissible exposure limit for daily workplace exposures.
>40,000 ppm - this level is immediately harmful due to oxygen deprivation.
What is your plan to solve all of our Environmental changes? You dont have a plan and there is no intelligent plan that will magically solve all the problems. Weather wackos have no clues about what is going on. There is just a perceived problem. Feel free to produce a 100 point plan about how you are going to fix the environment without bankrupting our economy.
None of the facts matter. It bothers him and he shouldn't be confronted with with stuff that does. Only facts that do not upset an ostrich's asshole, can be allowed to blow around in the air.
CO2 is exhaust and fatal at higher concentrations:
The levels of CO2 in the air and potential health problems are:
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Originally Posted by Paratus View Post
CO2 is exhaust and fatal at higher concentrations:
The levels of CO2 in the air and potential health problems are:
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So you admit defeat on temperature and want to scare us with thousands of PPM. News flash for you, CO2 was 1-2 thousand PPM when dinos walked the earth. Normal people, if not subjected to fear mongering, will never give a !@#$. Nor should they.
Yes, this planet WILL reach ~2k PPM, and unless you launch a nuclear strike on developing nations, you're not stopping it. The President is not stopping it. What do you intend to do about it, carbon tax on Americans?
The real threat to humanity is the cost of living, lack of clean air, food, water. Cheap electricity helps many of us avoid such issues. That means CO2 production. Unless you want to be a threat to those who are vulnerable, you'll stand out of their way and let them have cheap electricity.
So you admit defeat on temperature and want to scare us with thousands of PPM. News flash for you, CO2 was 1-2 thousand PPM when dinos walked the earth. Normal people, if not subjected to fear mongering, will never give a !@#$. Nor should they.
Yes, this planet WILL reach ~2k PPM, and unless you launch a nuclear strike on developing nations, you're not stopping it. The President is not stopping it. What do you intend to do about it, carbon tax on Americans?
The real threat to humanity is the cost of living, lack of clean air, food, water. Cheap electricity helps many of us avoid such issues. That means CO2 production. Unless you want to be a threat to those who are vulnerable, you'll stand out of their way and let them have cheap electricity.
You are cherry picking data. From your own link:You misstate the facts here. Read quote below and take note of how the lower CO2 levels allowed the earth the become what it is like today. Comprehension is key here!
"The Triassic Period: The CO2 levels at the beginning of the period were the highest in over 350 million years, indicating a hot climate worldwide. But these levels would drop off precipitously by the middle of the period, nearing modern-day levels and cooling the climate. The dropping CO2 levels would also result in cooler ocean temperatures enabling the marine creatures to slowly regain a foothold in once-deserted regions."
http://eonsepochsetc.com/Mesozoic/Triassic/Tri_Environment/environment.html
If you don't like that source then there are several others that present the same data.
Dinosaurs are the main attraction for many of us and the Cretaceous was their heyday. The large carnivores such as Tyrannosaurus Rex and Spinosaurus were thundering about the land, hunting Triceratops and Iguanodons. Flying through the Cretaceous skies were gigantic Pterosaurs and the small proto-birds, descendants of Archaeopteryx. Though many Pterosaurs died out in the Jurassic Extinction, those that were left grew to tremendous size.
There were amazing developments in the mammal world as placental mammals appeared, able to produce their young without using the oh-so-prosaic egg-laying method. Now it was all live that is, the young were now born alive into the Jurassic world, skipping the egg stage altogether. Adding to the mix were the marsupials which carried their young in pouches until they were developed enough to exist on their own. Monotremes were also present; these were mammals which continued to lay eggs as does the modern platypus.
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Carbon Dioxide levels also increased and reached levels three times what they are today.
Is he going to nuke China? Then you won't make any difference. Even if you removed the United States from the equation, CO2 will continue to rise. The rest of the planet will continue economic development even if we will not.
You can not stop human progress, and for this century that means CO2 emissions.
Agreed, we the people of the USA can do all we want to stop global warming but unless we can counter all the effects of other nations like China, it will do no good. We have a budget crisis that will mean we cannot pay to fix the world's environment.
OP when will the flooding and such start?
Yes, comprehension is definitely key here.Comprehension is key here!
We don't live in a similar climate to what was around back then. And we don't really want to...
LOL.
It is science and modernism along with a desire to grow economically that is behind the destruction of the world. Now you want that same science to fix it? How can it when everyone wants to grow economically? The destruction has just started.