"if all you have is a politics, everything looks like a news"
- abraham maslow, probably
Everything can be interpreted as P&N if that is the only thing you can see. Your reply is just as P&N as the topic at hand.
It's another logical exploit. They know that the investigation may vindicate victimize the person in the end but they can utilize the less stringent logical demands of probable cause to inflict punishment in time, money, and/or bodily harm.Add on top of that the fact that lot of what cops do, and the "due process" are very bad in of themselves. For example the whole idea that it's actually considered ok for a cop to use violence just because the victim is "resisting". Resisting to them is basically just having tense muscles or asking too many questions like why you are being arrested. Lot of cases of people who do not know why they are being arrested and just want to know why. This is considered resisting. When you are scared or being manhandled it's normal to have a bit of tense muscles. They'll then start yelling at you to stop resisting even though you're not purposely doing anything wrong and eventually this leads them to shoot you. If they can prove that you were "resisting" then they run scot free even if you were unarmed because they still followed process. These processes need to change.
When they are being filmed they are also trained to keep yelling to stop resisting as lot of people who later on watch the video just assume that the person was actually resisting when really they were not. The recent case in Barrie with the skateboarder is a good example of this. The kid was like 140lbs, even if he had been resisting there is zero reason the 250lb cop could not cuff him. Of course, going through a red light should not even warrant an arrest to begin with. That whole incident was wrong on so many levels.
any cop who does not report a bad cop or stop a bad cop from acting out is also a bad cop......
The Columbus one is something not clear-cut avoidable.I kind of feel bad for the good cops, they're between a rock and a hard place, especially rookies that may not fully know the ropes yet. They will feel threatened to report anything as their life or even their loved ones can literally be at risk. But yeah they need to do what they can to report coworkers doing bad stuff and not let themselves be assimilated. I wonder what the stats are for PDs that use body cams and if they decrease corruption, or if they don't help. If the entire department as a whole is corrupt I imagine the bodycams do nothing since even the people that should be disciplining them are going to back them up and "the body cam was malfunctioning that day" and there is magically no footage.
There really needs to be better oversight in general when it comes to policing and the entire system needs a full revamp really. Violence needs to be the absolute last resort instead of the first one. Just the other day a teenager was killed by a cop in her own driveway... this stuff is just getting so out of hand and something needs to happen to make this stop.
And many are going to say well he should have gone to a less lethal option, eg a taser - but what happens if he tases her and she still initiates and kills the other girl? I say the columbus one is a justified shoot, even if it is tragic that someone young has lost their life.The Columbus one is something not clear-cut avoidable.
The teenage female had a knife and it sure looked like she was going to impale the other girl/woman in the orange clothing.
The cop could have sat back and let her initiate the plunge motion, but then someone else might be dead or in the hospital.
any cop who does not report a bad cop or stop a bad cop from acting out is also a bad cop......
Florida Highway Patrol trooper Donna Jane Watts drew her gun, handcuffed, then charged Miami Officer Fausto Lopez with reckless driving on Florida's Turnpike in Broward.
A three-month Sun Sentinel investigation found almost 800 cops from a dozen agencies driving 90 to 130 mph on our highways.
Speeding cops can kill. Since 2004, Florida officers exceeding the speed limit have caused at least 320 crashes and 19 deaths. Only one officer went to jail — for 60 days.
Watts’ lawsuit alleged 88 law enforcement officers from 25 jurisdictions illegally accessed her personal information more than 200 times.
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After the traffic stop, Watts said she became afraid of the police: She received online threats, hang-ups on her home phone and cellphone, according to her lawsuit. Police followed her for no reason, and pranksters sent pizza to her house, the lawsuit said. Cars stopped and lingered on her cul-de-sac, she said in her suit.
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...the police department’s own internal affairs investigation determined the five Miami officers had done a search that was not for law enforcement purposes, and not allowed. They were officially reprimanded, but not punished.
I think if the exchange was longer and more conversational, then the "should've tased her" argument would hold water. But he just arrived, got spun around, and when he turned back, he saw the knife and other girl trying to back away from the knife. He waited until the last moment before firing.And many are going to say well he should have gone to a less lethal option, eg a taser - but what happens if he tases her and she still initiates and kills the other girl? I say the columbus one is a justified shoot, even if it is tragic that someone young has lost their life.
i think once robot tech gets good enough (20 years or so), most cops get replaced with robots that just stun or tackle everyone with no need to shoot
The Columbus one is something not clear-cut avoidable.
The teenage female had a knife and it sure looked like she was going to impale the other girl/woman in the orange clothing.
The cop could have sat back and let her initiate the plunge motion, but then someone else might be dead or in the hospital.
that is why i don't live anywhere near cities
'To serve and protect [oneself]' is their motto.
Knives are tricky business though. Because although they are melee, an knife-wielding assailant can get by an individual with an advantage like strength or a firearm. A knife assailant does not give a potential victim much reaction time. Moreso than firearm on firearm, but still only seconds to react. Tasing a knife wielder is preferable yes, but there is only one shot in a taser. The Tueller Drill shows that a knife-attacker needs to be about 20 ft away to not reach the gun shooter.That's where process needs to change. The aim should be to stop a threat, not kill it. Focus should be on tackling, tasing, disarming etc and as a very last resort, non lethal gun force. Lethal force should never be used unless the person is immediately trying to use lethal force. (ex: active shooter) there needs to be better tactics/training for dealing with melee weapons such as knives as well. And maybe better tools.
Knives are tricky business though. Because although they are melee, an knife-wielding assailant can get by an individual with an advantage like strength or a firearm. A knife assailant does not give a potential victim much reaction time. Moreso than firearm on firearm, but still only seconds to react. Tasing a knife wielder is preferable yes, but there is only one shot in a taser. The Tueller Drill shows that a knife-attacker needs to be about 20 ft away to not reach the gun shooter.
The other matter is that the policy on paper in departments these days has already emphasized proportionate force relative to the level of resistance, generally speaking. The problem that cops are legally experienced and thus understand the exploits that can be used to cover for abuses. Defending to a stalemate is one such legal battle tactic. Using extenuating circumstances to excuse the violation of policy.
The police officer had justification for bullets 1 and 2 on the girl as she was legitimately threatening deadly force to another. But I do consider bullet 3 questionable and bullet 4 crossed the line as imminent danger had passed and he had proven moments prior that he was processing in microseconds quite well.
It is not that the paper rules are poor these days, but rather that officers become so well-versed in crime they themselves would pull out extenuating circumstances to justify their actions. If that 3rd or last bullet was the one that killed the knife-wielding girl, that would indeed be crossing the line as the grounds for self-defense passed in that quick moment. He was able to hold his fire until the last moment before she going make the stab. He should have been able to see the attacker relent just as quickly.
Neither media outlet side would report the story in the nuanced manner I have assessed it. It's always some hardline one way or the other.