News The Verdict

[Red Squirrel]

It's nice to see a pig get a guilty verdict for once. Unfortunately it took people burning down half a city to lead to this and even then it took a year. A lot of these incidents don't go so well either. Lookup Daniel Shaver, super sad case all around and it just gets worse and worse for the widow wife and her children. All that because of some asshole pig that was thirsty for blood and the victim just found himself at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[brianmanahan]

Acquittal would have sparked massive rioting all over the country. That was in the air.

that is why i don't live anywhere near cities

i don't want to have to worry about that being a possibility

 

[highland145]

It's nice to see a pig get a guilty verdict for once. Unfortunately it took people burning down half a city to lead to this and even then it took a year. A lot of these incidents don't go so well either. Lookup Daniel Shaver, super sad case all around and it just gets worse and worse for the widow wife and her children. All that because of some asshole pig that was thirsty for blood and the victim just found himself at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Fuck you. Maybe your profession should be similar. Maybe your property should be there.


Pigs? Ignorant tart.

 

[brianmanahan]

Pigs? Ignorant tart.

i figured in canada they would call them moose

 

[highland145]

i figured in canada they would call them moose

Yeah, no. He's an ignorant tart.

And part of America's hat.

 

[Muse]

that is why i don't live anywhere near cities

i don't want to have to worry about that being a possibility

Rioting doesn't scare me because I can always run the other way if it comes to that. I mean, the chances that rioting will literally come to my house are 1/10000th the chance that a major earthquake will. That's the major danger here, not civil unrest.

 

[Torn Mind]

Fuck you. Maybe your profession should be similar. Maybe your property should be there.


Pigs? Ignorant tart.

Sometimes government ignores issues when optics don't matter(people don't care) or cost of a cover-up is less. A riot brings attention and makes the cost of misconduct greater.

I don't quite believe the riots influenced the conviction or the time it took to get to trial. Law is always slow to get to trial. If anything, one year is pretty fast. But they certainly make it expedient politically in places like Maryland to repeal the police bill of rights.

Police have multiple moats and castle walls to protect their culture of misconduct. They excommunicate those egregious bad cops to maintain the veneer that there is no system or culture in which the one cop's misconduct is an extreme manifestation of lesser abuses and inability to be objective.

Also, cops who lands a job in a rich ass small town is basically a glorified office worker, property inspector, and tax collector who just happens to have a firearm and can perform his job even with greying hairs.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Fuck you. Maybe your profession should be similar. Maybe your property should be there.


Pigs? Ignorant tart.

Cops that abuse their powers are pigs. Period. It's not ignorant, it's saying it as it is. They do not deserve respect. Any other job if you did some of the crap cops get away with, you'd get fired, or even charged. But cops get away assaulting and killing people all the time, it's sickening. Lookup Daniel Shaver. Really horrible case where the pig got away with it while the family suffers a loss for the rest of their lives. Not all cops are pigs, but a lot of them are.

 

[highland145]

Cops that abuse their powers are pigs. Period. It's not ignorant, it's saying it as it is. They do not deserve respect. Any other job if you did some of the crap cops get away with, you'd get fired, or even charged. But cops get away assaulting and killing people all the time, it's sickening. Lookup Daniel Shaver. Really horrible case where the pig got away with it while the family suffers a loss for the rest of their lives. Not all cops are pigs, but a lot of them are.

I misunderstood your post. Thought you were saying all cops are pigs. Apologies for being a dick.



You're still our hat though.

 

[IronWing]

I misunderstood your post. Thought you were saying all cops are pigs. Apologies for being a dick.

Just the ones who abuse their authority or write me well unearned speeding tickets.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Not my place to have an opinion on the verdict as I was not a member of the jury and would like to believe our system of justice still works.

I am greatly disappointed that our media and society are treating this verdict as they would competitive sports, and also the peripheral political and unrest implications that potentially tainted the jury outcome, and I do think there is reasonable justification for appeal. Chauvin deserves to spend time in prison, but the process that gets him there needs to be free of outside influence.

 

[mikeymikec]

I rewatched Alien Resurrection (whatever the extended version is called) recently, then Alien 3 Special Edition and I have to say, Alien3 is better.

AR just makes me completely fail to give a fuck. The scene when she torches the lab made me pay attention, but it's not worth waiting 2 hours for.

 

[Six]

I was on a jury once (in California, so not sure how if it applies to other states, particularly Minnesota in this case). From my experience, jurors are very unlikely to be influence by the media, protesters, family members, victim's family members, etc. And even if a juror is egregious, by design the deliberation process greatly cuts out this behavior. The process works like a Choose Your Own Adventure book. It's been years, but it was something like this...

For the first charge...
First page, fact 1: all agree or all disagree
Second page, fact 2: all agree or all disagree
Third page, fact 3: all agree or all disagree
...
Ninth page, fact 9: all agree or all disagree
Tenth page, did you all agree on all nine facts? Yes, then page 11. No, then page 12.

11th page, if you all agree on all the facts, "you must convict."
12th page, if you all cannot agree, how many jurors couldn't agree? If it's 1-2 juror, go back and discuss. If it's more than 2, "you must acquit."
13th page, if one or two jurors are still holding out, you have a hung jury.

For the second charge...
First page, fact 1: all agree or all disagree
Second page, fact 2: all agree or all disagree
Third page, fact 3: all agree or all disagree
...
Ninth page, fact 9: all agree or all disagree
Tenth page, did you all agree on all nine facts? Yes, then page 11. No, then page 12.

11th page, if you all agree on all the facts, "you must convict."
12th page, if you all cannot agree, how many jurors couldn't agree? If it's 1-2 juror, go back and discuss. If it's more than 2, "you must acquit."
13th page, if one or two jurors are still holding out, you have a hung jury.

For the third charge...

From my experience, the Court system is fair and the jurors are fair. You need good, thorough defense team, because jurors cannot consider what has not been presented at trail.

 

[deadlyapp]

Cops that abuse their powers are pigs. Period. It's not ignorant, it's saying it as it is. They do not deserve respect. Any other job if you did some of the crap cops get away with, you'd get fired, or even charged. But cops get away assaulting and killing people all the time, it's sickening. Lookup Daniel Shaver. Really horrible case where the pig got away with it while the family suffers a loss for the rest of their lives. Not all cops are pigs, but a lot of them are.

The shaver case doesn't even scratch the surface of being one of the worst ones.

 

[Red Squirrel]

The shaver case doesn't even scratch the surface of being one of the worst ones.

Yeah that's the sad part. And there is probably way more stuff we never even hear about that happens behind closed doors at the police station, or simply where there was no camera to record it.

Even jails probably have super dark horrors that happen. Like when they were tying up and scalding inmates to death in showers. Stuff like this probably happens a lot more than we realize.

 

[MrSquished]

Police are essential workers, and there are many good cops, but they get away with so much shit. They are mostly poorly trained and also many carry a lot of bias, and have created a culture where to report on a bad cop is a scarlet letter and your livelihood is now put at risk, for just doing the right thing, so generally you have lots of those so-called 'good' cops enabling bad cops. Those good cops aren't so good anymore when you take that into consideration.

The fact anyone can still think this verdict was not agreeable is just scary. It's on video. This cop has a long history of excessive force complaints, this didn't just happen in a bubble.

We just need better cops. More qualified and far better trained with way more accountability. But say any of that and you are deemed a radical antifa marxist by the current state of the GQP.

I know a kid who lives in Colorado. All of 6 months of mostly classroom training to become qualified to be a cop in Colorado. He's just a kid too, early twenties. Now he can just be given the badge to make life and death decisions in a split second with almost no accountability. It's a joke. Plus you read about what cops are taught and that it's basically you against them. Everyone else is an enemy. Multiple ex-cops have said the culture is broken.

Cops should all require an associate's degree plus 1-2 years of training. It's a worthwhile investment.

 

[dank69]

Just the ones who abuse their authority or write me well unearned speeding tickets.

Learn to talk your way out of a ticket, sheesh.

 

[Torn Mind]

Yeah that's the sad part. And there is probably way more stuff we never even hear about that happens behind closed doors at the police station, or simply where there was no camera to record it.

Even jails probably have super dark horrors that happen. Like when they were tying up and scalding inmates to death in showers. Stuff like this probably happens a lot more than we realize.

Murders are what makes the news. Non-investigations or intentionally misconstruing of the events with no substantial harmbut hurt feelings rarely make the news. Complaints to internal affairs likely wind up nowhere.

Police abuse begins with an understanding of logic and who, if any, can enforce the truth. Someone fire a BB gun at my house windows but when the cops arrived, they tried to exlapin it as errant shots from an aprtment complex four miles away or some park load with trees 1.5 miles away. Only the most powerful of rifles can travel that far in clear space. That's one way to "bury a case".

 

[Torn Mind]

Police are essential workers, and there are many good cops, but they get away with so much shit. They are mostly poorly trained and also many carry a lot of bias, and have created a culture where to report on a bad cop is a scarlet letter and your livelihood is now put at risk, for just doing the right thing, so generally you have lots of those so-called 'good' cops enabling bad cops. Those good cops aren't so good anymore when you take that into consideration.

The fact anyone can still think this verdict was not agreeable is just scary. It's on video. This cop has a long history of excessive force complaints, this didn't just happen in a bubble.

We just need better cops. More qualified and far better trained with way more accountability. But say any of that and you are deemed a radical antifa marxist by the current state of the GQP.

I know a kid who lives in Colorado. All of 6 months of mostly classroom training to become qualified to be a cop in Colorado. He's just a kid too, early twenties. Now he can just be given the badge to make life and death decisions in a split second with almost no accountability. It's a joke. Plus you read about what cops are taught and that it's basically you against them. Everyone else is an enemy. Multiple ex-cops have said the culture is broken.

Cops should all require an associate's degree plus 1-2 years of training. It's a worthwhile investment.

The more experienced a cop is, the more likely he will learn the ropes of the criminal and himself/herself become corrupt, even in small ways. The cop will indirectly and directly learn how to exploit the chain of logic in more advanced ways as he experiences more questionings with criminals and sit through court sessions. There is the formal training of the classroom, and then there is the unwritten "learning the in-and-outs" that comes through interactions. interactions with subjects, interactions with the court system, interactions with lawyers, etc.

The most rudimentary lesson is that variations of the excuse "the dog ate it" is extremely powerful in the legal system.

The next level up is learning how to "disorganize the ingredients". This is what they do in press releases in which the "scene" to presented to the readers is most favorable to cops. In the old days without video, this is extremely effective in killing the public's will as there was no way to fact-check reliably then. Sometimes the statements are subtly slanted. Other times, clearly and obviously inaccurate.

The mature cop who lies is not an uneducated fool who does not know what he is doing. He knows that he can do what he does and get away with it with little penalty in most cases because there is no one watching him would would heavily reprimand him. They are have an advanced state of understanding of "legal escapes", not a lack of understanding.

Those who constantly frequent the criminal courtroom are all weasels of some form. The lawyers, the cops, the actual criminals and even DUIers themselves. They have polished their tongues to the purest of silver.

For the state of Minnesota, they already require an associates degree for cops; that is not the case elsewhere. That did not stop Chauvin, Noor, or Potter.

If anything, the neophyte cop might still have residual civilian "integrity" while his superiors do not.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Add on top of that the fact that lot of what cops do, and the "due process" are very bad in of themselves. For example the whole idea that it's actually considered ok for a cop to use violence just because the victim is "resisting". Resisting to them is basically just having tense muscles or asking too many questions like why you are being arrested. Lot of cases of people who do not know why they are being arrested and just want to know why. This is considered resisting. When you are scared or being manhandled it's normal to have a bit of tense muscles. They'll then start yelling at you to stop resisting even though you're not purposely doing anything wrong and eventually this leads them to shoot you. If they can prove that you were "resisting" then they run scot free even if you were unarmed because they still followed process. These processes need to change.

When they are being filmed they are also trained to keep yelling to stop resisting as lot of people who later on watch the video just assume that the person was actually resisting when really they were not. The recent case in Barrie with the skateboarder is a good example of this. The kid was like 140lbs, even if he had been resisting there is zero reason the 250lb cop could not cuff him. Of course, going through a red light should not even warrant an arrest to begin with. That whole incident was wrong on so many levels.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Exactly.I get manslaughter...but Murder 2 and Murder 3 as well?

I think the jury was too afraid of the riotous consequences if they'd have voted any other way...especially after Maxine Waters' recent tirade.

the Jury never heard Maxine waters comments...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Cops that abuse their powers are pigs. Period. It's not ignorant, it's saying it as it is. They do not deserve respect. Any other job if you did some of the crap cops get away with, you'd get fired, or even charged. But cops get away assaulting and killing people all the time, it's sickening. Lookup Daniel Shaver. Really horrible case where the pig got away with it while the family suffers a loss for the rest of their lives. Not all cops are pigs, but a lot of them are.

any cop who does not report a bad cop or stop a bad cop from acting out is also a bad cop......

 

[BarkingGhostar]

i agree that P&N is


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Everything can be interpreted as P&N if that is the only thing you can see. Your reply is just as P&N as the topic at hand.

 

[Muse]

any cop who does not report a bad cop or stop a bad cop from acting out is also a bad cop......

I met a guy at my local gym, a black American young dude, maybe early 20's, who was in training to be a cop in Oakland CA. Nice guy. Oakland is in a very progressive area. It's basically a sanctuary city, as is San Francisco.

I asked him one day how it was going and he said he had a trainer who was instructing the recruits to grab black guys by their dreadlocks and yank them. He was so grossed out he quit the program. This was maybe years ago. They were actually training prospective officers to be brutal and demean the public they're dealing with. If it's that bad here I have to wonder how it is across the nation... probably a lot worse.

TBH, the word "policing" really bothers me. It gives me negative images. It sounds authoritarian.

 

[highland145]

Resist, you must ass kick. QED