The Verge: Apple Bias Is Real

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uallas5

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Good job there's Apple to fill that gap then

We get it. You'd rather have Apple determine how your phone work rather than you determining how you use your phone. A lot of people feel that way, which is why iOS is built the way it is. Which is also why I won't ever own one of their devices even when I could have had one for free. (I only have a company phone and I was given a choice between an iPhone 6 and an S5, I choose the S5.) And yes I have plenty of experience with iOS devices as it's all my wife and her entire family own.
 

poofyhairguy

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I'm a total tech nerd, and I know that my iPhone 6 only had 1GB of RAM and sometimes reloaded web pages when I switched back to them, and I know that the Samsung Galaxy S6 and LG G4 have 3GB of RAM and are less likely to suffer from reloading issues and that the both have great cameras and screens which are higher resolution and larger.

It is great that you know that, but a lot of people don't. And they never will when the sites that pride themselves on being technology focused don't bother to mention it either. I don't mind a CNN.com iPhone review not mentioning the RAM, technlology isn't their forte. But when you are supposed to be some sort of mobile technology expert, and you review all these different devices, then maybe your review should have some more detailed technical information like that so that you don't have to read webforums or flip phones to get a complete picture of the limitations and advantages of each device.

But none of that matters because I don't like Android as an operating system.

Which is fine, take the Android comparisons off the table. A more technical review is still welcome because then it allows people to make better decisions BETWEEN iOS devices. Most people don't make a habit of getting a new iPhone or iPad every year while selling the old one, so even for people who never CONSIDER Android there is a benefit to tell them which generations or devices are better buys in that perspective. Otherwise people get the incorrect notion that EVERY iDevice every year is just the same value proposition as last year so it is always safe to buy.

For proof of the fact that not every iDevice upgrade is equal let's look at the iPads:

-iPad 1 - bad buy, short life in retrospect, only gave buyers halo factor
-iPad 2 - best iOS device all time, still running current OS smoothly
-iPad 3 - worst iOS device all time, ever since iOS 7 has been a lagfest compared to others
-iPad 4 - great iOS device, more effective RAM than iPad Air 1
-iPad Air 1 - so-so device held back by RAM, blown off map by iPad Air 2
-iPad Air 2 - will challenge iPad 2 as best iPad ever, so good it didn't get a refresh

Just in the large iPad lineup we see two FANTASTIC buys (iPad 2 and iPad Air 2), one great buy (iPad 4) a so-so buy and then two outright bad buys. I could do this for each iOS product line, every one has uneven leaps in value generation to generation. And since iOS devices stick around in the distribution chain marked down years after launch, good reviews help people decide between a refurbished iPad Air 1 and a new iPad Air 2. Or if it's worth paying extra for the iPhone 6 over the iPhone 6+.

To be honest it is pretty easy to tell early on in an iOS device's life what kind of device it will be. As soon as I read about that oversized iPad 2 GPU on Anand's review I bought one, as it was obviously going to have a long life. As soon as the iPad Air 2 was confirmed to have 2GB of RAM I bought one because I knew that meant future potential to be unlocked. On the flip side that iPhone 6+ non-S looks like the next iPad 3 to me due to a low power-per-pixel ratio (the iPad 3's big flaw) and the 1GB ram constraint at a phablet size. I told everyone who would listen last year that if you really wanted the phablet iPhone do everything you could to wait for the 6s+ model because it would be a huge leap in performance (and it WAS a huge leap in performance). But how many reviews on sites like the Verge gave that same advice? None that I saw, even though it was obvious as can be that Apple held its punches last generation.

So throw out Android, my complaint is that iOS devices are not adequately compared to EACH OTHER. Each one, including the iPhone 6+ non S or the iPad 3, is given a gold stamp of approval because iPhone people who are jealous of the Galaxy Note series are going to buy it anyway so you might as well make them feel good about their bad purchase so maybe they come back to your website in the future.
 

mrochester

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Point is Apple is not filling that gap, they are creating it by not letting you choose default app.

Well the point is Apple make such good first party apps there's no need to change defaults. It's not like Android where you need to change some supplied apps because they aren't good enough.
 

Commodus

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We get it. You'd rather have Apple determine how your phone work rather than you determining how you use your phone. A lot of people feel that way, which is why iOS is built the way it is. Which is also why I won't ever own one of their devices even when I could have had one for free. (I only have a company phone and I was given a choice between an iPhone 6 and an S5, I choose the S5.) And yes I have plenty of experience with iOS devices as it's all my wife and her entire family own.

You're not-so-subtly trying to frame this as a binary between "mindless" iOS users and an "enlightened" Android crowd. That's not how things work in real life, so can we try for a more nuanced position, please?

There are iOS power users who get a lot out of the platform, even if they don't jailbreak, and there are Android users who just bought whatever phone was cheapest and couldn't care less about app defaults or custom launchers. It's true that Apple's lack of flexibility can be an issue when one of its default apps falls short, but those apps are generally good.
 

BoberFett

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Good job there's Apple to fill that gap then

Well the point is Apple make such good first party apps there's no need to change defaults. It's not like Android where you need to change some supplied apps because they aren't good enough.


Apple: Choosing A Horrible Keyboard For Users Who Are Too Dumb To Chose Their Own

There's an example of your "smart" phone choosing for you. Apple's keyboard was an abomination, Android had vastly superior keyboard for years. And years. And years.
 
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lopri

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It can't be a marketshare thing. You want front and center to the consumer? Windows was on 99% of desktop computers because it was the OS that most people needed, supported the most hardware, had the most software. Yet Microsoft was savaged by the press over and over and over on every conceivable topic. Sure there were Microsoft boosters, but for the most part Microsoft never got a pass. Apple boosters however behave as much like a cult as they do a market segment however.

This is a rather convincing counter example and rebuttal to the editorial. Just because something is pervasive it does not automatically become superior.
 

Thanatosis

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Verge is awful, there is no "bias". If anything, there is an extreme bias towards android phones in most reviews. If apple tried to pitch a device with low battery life and terrible software like the galaxy S6 they would be immediately attacked because Apple is always expected to perform perfectly.


Take a look at yourselves and this thread, count the android supporters, and realize that you are in fact the monolithic whining group you complain about. You are techno-hipsters in the literal sense, always thinking that your "pure" open source android experience is superior to all the "dumb" people who can't appreciate it.
 

mrochester

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Apple: Choosing A Horrible Keyboard For Users Who Are Too Dumb To Chose Their Own

There's an example of your "smart" phone choosing for you. Apple's keyboard was an abomination, Android had vastly superior keyboard for years. And years. And years.

Actually I find the Apple keyboard to be the best there is. You wouldn't believe the rubbish I end up typing on Android devices because of their terrible keyboards.
 
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Verge is awful, there is no "bias". If anything, there is an extreme bias towards android phones in most reviews. If apple tried to pitch a device with low battery life and terrible software like the galaxy S6 they would be immediately attacked because Apple is always expected to perform perfectly.


Take a look at yourselves and this thread, count the android supporters, and realize that you are in fact the monolithic whining group you complain about. You are techno-hipsters in the literal sense, always thinking that your "pure" open source android experience is superior to all the "dumb" people who can't appreciate it.


There is nothing the media likes more than to build something up and then cut it down. This is the first rule of journalism. Journalists are foaming at the mouth waiting for Apple to make a large mistake. So much so that Apple's little mistakes, or even things that are thought as mistakes but are simply misunderstood by the mainstream press, are amplified far far beyond a reasonable level.

In the world of journalism, bias toward sensationalism overwhelms any other bias. Always has, and always will.

Apple devices are very much graded on a different scale though. Flaws are routinely amplified, and hundreds of little niceties and refinements absent elsewhere are glossed over, or not mentioned at all. If only I had the time to add up all of the major after-the-purchase "gotchas" of all well reviewed products running Android that rarely make the press, and are absent in the reviews. Apple has just about the largest negative media story target on its back in history.

Apple product's "gotchas" on the other hand tend to be few and far between.

Reviews of products are completely relative to the standards used to judge them.

It's very similar to the endless argument about which is a better car, a souped-up Corvette or a 911 Turbo.

Ignoring price, imagine if a new 911 Turbo was reviewed honestly with the same standards that a Corvette is reviewed with, or more specifically, reviewed as though the Corvette was the previous model of 911 Turbo. The 911 Turbo's review would be one of the most glowing reviews ever written, dominated with talk about how incredibly refined everything is, how great the steering wheel is, how well put together everything is, how effortless it is to drive with extreme precision, etc. The review would consider it to be the best upgrade year over year of any car in history.

But, when a new 911 Turbo is reviewed with the previous model as the standard, the review is primarily focused on what has changed, and things like refinement, which are obvious immediately when you experience it in person, are glossed over because these qualities existed in the previous model, and are nothing new. The new car might even get a negative review, because it didn't improve enough over the previous model. This would happen, even though it still might be one of the best all around sports cars in the world.

Conversely, if a new Corvette was reviewed honestly as though the 911 Turbo was the previous model. It would be absolutely trashed for being horrible at all the things the 911 Turbo excels at. The conclusion of the reviews would be that it is the biggest downgrade in the history of the industry, and Porsche should be ashamed for putting out such a piece of garbage. This would happen even though it still might be a very good all around sports car.

Reviews are always written with a particular standard in mind.

At this point, I wish I hadn't said anything positive about Apple products above, so people might have read this post more objectively.

...Queue fanboy label
 

ControlD

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Verge is awful, there is no "bias". If anything, there is an extreme bias towards android phones in most reviews. If apple tried to pitch a device with low battery life and terrible software like the galaxy S6 they would be immediately attacked because Apple is always expected to perform perfectly.

In all fairness, most of the S6 reviews I read did mention that the battery life was a concern. That's part of the reason I didn't get one, and those are exactly the kinds of details I want from reviewers. Nearly every reviewer also took some shots at Touchwiz, which is standard for Samsung reviews (and probably deserved I might add).

Bullet points from the Verge S6 review:

Average battery life
Software still needs work
 
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ControlD

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There is nothing the media likes more than to build something up and then cut it down. This is the first rule of journalism. Journalists are foaming at the mouth waiting for Apple to make a large mistake. So much so that Apple's little mistakes, or even things that are thought as mistakes but are simply misunderstood by the mainstream press, are amplified far far beyond a reasonable level.

In the world of journalism, bias toward sensationalism overwhelms any other bias. Always has, and always will.

Apple devices are very much graded on a different scale though. Flaws are routinely amplified, and hundreds of little niceties and refinements absent elsewhere are glossed over, or not mentioned at all. If only I had the time to add up all of the major after-the-purchase "gotchas" of all well reviewed products running Android that rarely make the press, and are absent in the reviews. Apple has just about the largest negative media story target on its back in history.

What exactly are you referring to? Apple product reviews are almost universally positive, which I think is part of the original point of this thread?
 

obidamnkenobi

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I honestly don't understand why there are iPhone reviews. There are (now) only two iPhones;large and larger. Or the older ones.

Do you like iOS? Well then the new model is probably the best phone ever for you. Have less money? Get an older and one.

You don't like iOS? Don't get one. Done!
 

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A5

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Well the point is Apple make such good first party apps there's no need to change defaults. It's not like Android where you need to change some supplied apps because they aren't good enough.

Their podcasts app is terrrrrrrrrrible. Mail and Calendar are outclassed by 3rd party apps as well.
 

Midwayman

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Their podcasts app is terrrrrrrrrrible. Mail and Calendar are outclassed by 3rd party apps as well.

Honestly all their apps are outclassed by something. What they have going for them is integration. And that's mostly apples poor record with allowing default app switching and data sharing between apps.
 

poofyhairguy

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Honestly all their apps are outclassed by something.

So true. Just from what is available on iOS:

Mobile Chrome > Mobile Safari

Google Maps > Apple Maps

Spotify > Apple Music (unless you split the account with your family)

Outlook for iOS > Apple Mail

Evernote/Fetchnotes > Notes

Google Now > Siri

Camera+ or Manual > Apple Camera App

Google Photos with unlimited storage > Overpaying for iCloud

Rise > Apple Clock app

Google Voice > Visual Voicemail

Skype > Facetime

Whatsapp > iMessage

VLC > whatever joke of an app Apple includes that can't play my videos

Kindle > iBooks

Pocketcasts > Podcasts

Pretty much everything Apple includes could be replaced by something better if they let us.
 

pm

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So true. Just from what is available on iOS:

Mobile Chrome > Mobile Safari

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Pretty much everything Apple includes could be replaced by something better if they let us.

I'm a longtime Apple user (I have an iPhone 6 now) and I mostly agree with this.

It's funny, but if you said "every single Apple app is worse than the best alternative" I would have said that you were probably wrong about that... but then you made the list and I agree with it. In my opinion some of them are almost as good as the alternative (it's almost a tie, like Podcasts and Pocketcasts... I've used both, Pocketcasts is maybe better, but I use Podcasts and generally like it).
 

Midwayman

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Mobile Chrome > Mobile Safari

Kindle > iBooks

Pocketcasts > Podcasts

I'd agree with chrome, but for the blockers now.

For an e-reader I think Marvin is the best I've seen. iBooks kinda sucks though. The Kindle app is okay though.
 

Commodus

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Pretty much everything Apple includes could be replaced by something better if they let us.

I have to disagree with a few of what you mentioned.

First, Spotify: its music discovery is terrible compared to Apple Music, and of course it doesn't really do justice to local music playback. I also prefer Apple's miniplayer and queuing.

On Google Now versus Siri: I find that they're better at different things. Google Now is obviously better at surfacing web content, but Siri is better at task-oriented things (reminders, appointments and the like). Also, if you count the Watch, there are some nice things you can do that just aren't feasible on Android Wear. For example, if I want to start a workout: "start a 140-calorie run" is immensely handy.

Visual voicemail and FaceTime I find are at times better precisely because of their simplicity. You don't have to think about it, you just... do.

Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Safari has its advantages over Chrome, like overall rendering speed and fluidity. It feels more like a native resident of iOS where Chrome is a visitor.

And what Midwayman said kind of undersells it. Yes, integration is Apple's main thing, but isn't that extremely important? I want to know that the core apps on my phone are well-integrated with the OS, and each other when relevant. I won't dispute the advantages of third-party apps, but there's something to be said for simpler but well-integrated first-party apps.
 

amyklai

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The problem with those Apple reviews is that in one generation, they completely don't care about something where Apple lacks compared to the competition and then when Apple does it, it's the best thing since sliced bread.

For example, small screens vs big screens.

Or 64 bit with 1 GB of RAM. Suddenly 64 bit is the greatest thing and everybody needs it.

Or, for example now, the fact that the iPhone still is low res. Put the same web site on a 2 year old Nexus 5 and put it next to a brand new iPhone 6s and tell me the what you see. But no, it doesn't matter until the iPhone 7 goes Full HD. Then, Apple will probably call it "Super Retina" and all the journalists will happily explain why "Super Retina" is the best thing since sliced bread and how nobody can live without "Super Retina". And that "Super Retina" is of course much better than Full HD because Apples iOS 10 "foolu" dynamic intelligent subpixel rearrangement technology (aided by the a11 supercomputer-class chip designed by a hyperintelligent former Cray intern who suffers from a mild form of Asperger's) really makes for a completely different FHD experience than FHD.


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Well, actually I'm waiting for the day when those "technology sites" start writing poems for the new iPhones instead of reviews.
 

RaulF

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HA, this is rich.

A tech forum that is filled with left leaning individuals calling the verge bias.
 
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