The Verge: Apple Bias Is Real

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Commodus

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HA, this is rich.

A tech forum that is filled with left leaning individuals calling the verge bias.

What do politics have to do with this thread? The issue is whether or not there's a legitimacy to giving more coverage to Apple than some see fit. The last thing we need is this devolving into a left-versus-right debate.

Also, not to be pedantic, but we need to settle this: someone is biased, not bias. Otherwise you're calling them the physical embodiment of bias... which is funny, but not what you meant. (Appropriately, Nilay from The Verge has made fun of this "you are bias" goof himself)
 

Artdeco

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So true. Just from what is available on iOS:

Mobile Chrome > Mobile Safari

Google Maps > Apple Maps

Spotify > Apple Music (unless you split the account with your family)

Outlook for iOS > Apple Mail

Evernote/Fetchnotes > Notes

Google Now > Siri

Camera+ or Manual > Apple Camera App

Google Photos with unlimited storage > Overpaying for iCloud

Rise > Apple Clock app

Google Voice > Visual Voicemail

Skype > Facetime

Whatsapp > iMessage

VLC > whatever joke of an app Apple includes that can't play my videos

Kindle > iBooks

Pocketcasts > Podcasts

Pretty much everything Apple includes could be replaced by something better if they let us.

Agreed, every "power" iOS user I know has a handful of Apple's first party stuff in a neglected folder on the last screen.
 

lopri

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It will be interesting when the more serious iPhone 6s reviews come out. After seeing the 6s in person, my initial excitement has somewhat subsided. No doubt it is the current king of speed, but everything else seems to have stagnated or even regressed.. I will have more to say about this.
 

Commodus

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It will be interesting when the more serious iPhone 6s reviews come out. After seeing the 6s in person, my initial excitement has somewhat subsided. No doubt it is the current king of speed, but everything else seems to have stagnated or even regressed.. I will have more to say about this.

How so? The screen is definitely a step forward, and it sounds like the camera manages to up the resolution without a hit to quality. Even Touch ID is faster.
 

386DX

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The Verge's review of any Apple product is fairly predictable. Take the highest score they have given to current competing product and score the Apple product 1-3 higher. If a product is better in one area downplayed it's importance or give the ole "you'd be happy with any one of these" routine.
 

lopri

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Here is my impression from the 1 hour play test. First off, the phone is;

1. Fast
2. Fast
3. Fast

Now that I got that out of the way, here are some stagnant/negative stuff:

Ergonomics has gotten worse. I was unsure what to expect when I learned of the increased weight, and I did not know those ~0.2mm in every dimension combined with added weight would make this much of a negative impact. The 6s/Plus are among the more akward phones to hold in the company of other recent flagships. The 6s plus is an especially egregious case (192g!) and the thing feels like a mini-tablet, not a phone.

Display looks a bit brighter than the 6, but is still bluish. I thought this would have been fixed with the 6s but now I think that either 1) the panel Apple sources for the 6s/Plus has a technical limitation, or 2) Apple is cutting corners. All you need to do to confirm this is to compare the 6/6s' screens with the 5s/5c's screens, which are also slightly cooler (~7000K) but much closer to the standard 6500K.

The updated camera in the 6s is great, but not really different from the last year's camera that has fewer mega pixels. Compared with the S6's camera, it fell short in my indoor testing - not only in the outcome but also for the experience. For one thing, it is slower to focus and slower to snap than the S6. And the default camera app's functionality is too limited, IMO. That may have been fine and even desirable 2 years ago, but I am not sure whether that rationale still holds today.

3D touch in my brief sitting worked best in Safari. When works, it is nice to peek at hyperlinked content without committing to it. Elsewhere it is not intuitive nor reliable, and not compatible with 3rd party apps. This is the type of a "feature" that gets slammed as a gimmick/bloat when employed by other OEMs. Same goes for the "Live Photo," which is a copy of HTC's Zoe. Maybe Apple will prove me wrong with future updates, and I won't rule out the possibility of some amazing 3rd party developement turning the tide around, but it seems to me this is the kind of things that we usually do not give credit until it is proven otherwise.

Battery peformance did not look promising during the hour I played with it. But I ran benches and used cameras, both of which tend to drain battery quickly (especially slo-mo video), so I won't make a further comment on it.

Eager to read serious reviews from respected outlets.
 

lopri

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What is ironic is that the bad ergonomics is felt harshly when you want to try out 3D touch because the most natural way to apply and feel additional pressure on the screen is achieved from the feedback of your non-navigating fingers, by using one hand. And the 6s/Plus are worse in that regard than their predecessors.
 

xthetenth

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They've finally gotten around to fixing the Apple keyboard making it very non-obvious whether or not you've got shift on, right? In that case I might consider it usable again.
 

openwheel

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LOL, wife just upgraded from 1+1 to iPhone 6S. She had to have the pink one.....ugh..

Anyway, she says she misses Android and One Plus keyboard.
 

ultimatebob

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No. Never let a site MAKE your decisions for you, or tell you what to buy. But you cannot make an informed decision without research, and unless you're incredibly wealthy in both money AND time, you can't do the research yourself. 5 minutes with the phone at the store is insufficient.

So, use the sites you think you can trust, and use that data to INFLUENCE your decision.

I still trust Ars Technica for Apple reviews. They seem to like their products, but they aren't afraid of being critical of them.

Even Anandtech had it's own bout of Apple fanboyism for awhile. I stopped putting much credence in Anand's reviews when he proudly told the world that removeable batteries were no longer a useful feature on a smartphone.

He got hired by Apple a few months after that... :hmm:
 

vi edit

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Keyboard is probably one of the biggest things keeping me away from going back to iOS. Yeah they introduced 3rd party keyboards...but they are buggy (which is funny for iOS), crammed on smaller screens, and the experience isn't consistent as some screens forget which keyboard to use and you have to change back to swype each time. Lame.

Google keyboard is awesome. I like the samsung/lg ones with the built in number rows...but I always end up going back to google because of accuracy and looks. The Modern UI keyboard just looks nice and works excellent.
 

BoberFett

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How? I genuinely find the Apple keyboard to be far more capable than the standard Google Keyboard.

Also agree. Google keyboard makes some strange choices for error correction.

Who said anything about the Google keyboard? I agree, it's awful. But Android has had the ability to choose whatever keyboard you like for years. Swype, Swiftkey, or many others. Whatever your preference.

Apple had an awful keyboard and you COULD NOT choose a different one.

This isn't that difficult, Android gives you more choice, while that person I was responding to thought there was no need to choose because everything Apple creates is perfect. That simple isn't close to true.
 

mrochester

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Keyboard is probably one of the biggest things keeping me away from going back to iOS. Yeah they introduced 3rd party keyboards...but they are buggy (which is funny for iOS), crammed on smaller screens, and the experience isn't consistent as some screens forget which keyboard to use and you have to change back to swype each time. Lame.

Google keyboard is awesome. I like the samsung/lg ones with the built in number rows...but I always end up going back to google because of accuracy and looks. The Modern UI keyboard just looks nice and works excellent.

Wow I'm totally the opposite. I couldn't wait to get back to the iOS keyboard after the abomination that is the Google keyboard.
 

BoberFett

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Keyboard is probably one of the biggest things keeping me away from going back to iOS. Yeah they introduced 3rd party keyboards...but they are buggy (which is funny for iOS), crammed on smaller screens, and the experience isn't consistent as some screens forget which keyboard to use and you have to change back to swype each time. Lame.

Google keyboard is awesome. I like the samsung/lg ones with the built in number rows...but I always end up going back to google because of accuracy and looks. The Modern UI keyboard just looks nice and works excellent.

I went to Swiftkey a year or two ago and haven't looked back. It has swipe functionality, and the prediction is great. Plus it has a row of buttons giving you several prediction options based on your typing/swiping along with using your typing history. Many times I'll be typing a phrase and never even have to touch the letter keys, I just keep choosing a word suggestion.
 

mrochester

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Who said anything about the Google keyboard? I agree, it's awful. But Android has had the ability to choose whatever keyboard you like for years. Swype, Swiftkey, or many others. Whatever your preference.

Apple had an awful keyboard and you COULD NOT choose a different one.

This isn't that difficult, Android gives you more choice, while that person I was responding to thought there was no need to choose because everything Apple creates is perfect. That simple isn't close to true.

I never needed to change the keyboard on my iPhone because Apple already provide the best one on any smartphone. I can understand you needing to change the keyboard on Android when all the options have one thing or another wrong with them that means you do need to change, but with Apple you get the best from the get go
 

BoberFett

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I never needed to change the keyboard on my iPhone because Apple already provide the best one on any smartphone. I can understand you needing to change the keyboard on Android when all the options have one thing or another wrong with them that means you do need to change, but with Apple you get the best from the get go

The Jobs Reality Distortion Field is in full effect.
 

mrochester

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The Jobs Reality Distortion Field is in full effect.

So are you suggesting I should use a *worse* 3rd party keyboard? If there's any sort of reality distortion going on, it's your suggestion that I should deliberately hamper my typing experience by using inferior keyboards. Bizarre!
 

Oyeve

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I never needed to change the keyboard on my iPhone because Apple already provide the best one on any smartphone. I can understand you needing to change the keyboard on Android when all the options have one thing or another wrong with them that means you do need to change, but with Apple you get the best from the get go

I am nauseated.
 

openwheel

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So let me get this straight. The Apple keyboard is simply the best, the one true keyboard ,and it happens to be included in the most popular/expensive/closed eco system.

Well, life is easy. I feel so stupid now. From now on, I am drinking only Coke, eat only Big Macs, drive only Camrys and facebook only on iPhones.
 
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