The violent protests are going to doom us with another 4 years of Trump

brainhulk

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The continued violence will probably sway some moderates on the fence towards Trump.

Biden is having a hard time distancing from it, while Trump is framing it on the dems. The ignorant will believe it.

This is a nightmare.
 

Muse

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Yes, well, it's YOUR nightmare, I don't believe it's the nation. Biden's response was accurate. Trump failed to protect us and now he's trying to frighten us. All this turmoil is happening after almost 4 years on his watch, not Biden's. I don't think America is going to fall for this. The women will rescue us. Some violent protests have happened, will happen, they don't affect most people directly. Realistically, how many people think they are in danger of it affecting them personally? Not many. Other concerns do: The pandemic, unemployment, economic uncertainty. Trump promised a wall that Mexico would pay for. The only wall he succeeded in building is the one around the USA keeping us out of other countries because we're a covid-19 hotbed. Trump is in large part responsible for those issues being out of hand here. It's not hard to make that case at all. Trump is a cornucopia of false information, an endless stream of it. Some people are unable to discern. The Democrats need to dominate this election, not win every vote.
 
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Muse

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Trump claims that violence in American cities is up this year but just in those with Democratic mayors. This is false. It's up in those with Republican mayors as well. The data bears that out. Trump has no time or patience or mind for data, just says what he thinks/hopes will sway the electorate.

This:


Joe Biden condemns violence, no matter who commits it. Donald Trump refuses to condemn violence when his supporters are the assailants. Under Obama and Biden, violent crime went down 15%. This year, under Trump, murders are up 26% in American cities. So now you know.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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Jesus Christ I'm going to start spiking the water supply with low doses of alprazolam if you people don't settle down a bit.
Congrats on ushering us in to Orwells future.
People are too dumb, cowardly, or lazy to solve problems, so they drug the populace.

Of course my solution is even worse.
We cant save the system, so let it collapse.
America will spend one, maybe two generations on the bottom, and then we'll fucking learn to deal with shit instead of avoiding it.







 
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Homerboy

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The continued violence will probably sway some moderates on the fence towards Trump.

Biden is having a hard time distancing from it, while Trump is framing it on the dems. The ignorant will believe it.

This is a nightmare.

I don't want to believe this, but I'm am believing it. At the very best, any violence in the streets does NOT help Biden. Biden isn't being blamed for it, but by Trump taking his bullshit "hard stance" on it, he's winning some of the moderates over. I see it and hear it from moderate "friends". As you stated, the ignorant are believing it. Those suburban housewives don't like the violence and a percentage will go back to Trump because he's taking a hard stance on it.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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The continued violence will probably sway some moderates on the fence towards Trump.

Biden is having a hard time distancing from it, while Trump is framing it on the dems. The ignorant will believe it.
So the REAL problem here, the one that needs to be corrected and will not be, is that the average American is dumb.
Donald Trump did not create that America, Rupert Murdoch did. Donald is just taking advantage of ignorance, like any snake oil salesman.
 
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HomerJS

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The continued violence will probably sway some moderates on the fence towards Trump.

Biden is having a hard time distancing from it, while Trump is framing it on the dems. The ignorant will believe it.

This is a nightmare.
Do you think these people will not ask themselves, "was this violence happening during Obama/Biden"? They are not smart enough to ask themselves that question? Since Dems were running the same cities how is it anyone else's fault but Trump?

Having said that your premise is correct that it helps Trump. However that is the history of fascist/authoritarian regimes taking hold. Check the history.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Like the terrible choices from the Democrats weren't enough to ensure 4 more years?

I've been a Democrat since I cast my first vote in 1972...and have had some AWFUL candidates that I just voted for because they weren't <insert name of Republican candidate>, and will do so again this year, but gawd-dammit, I'm getting tired of weak candidates who bring nothing serious to the table.
 

Homerboy

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Mar 1, 2000
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Do you think these people will not ask themselves, "was this violence happening during Obama/Biden"? They are not smart enough to ask themselves that question? Since Dems were running the same cities how is it anyone else's fault but Trump?

They won't. Many people are "simple" and DON'T critically think. That's what got us to this problem in 2016. Some might. Most won't. The margins are to thin to lose ANY.
 
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K1052

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Like the terrible choices from the Democrats weren't enough to ensure 4 more years?

I've been a Democrat since I cast my first vote in 1972...and have had some AWFUL candidates that I just voted for because they weren't <insert name of Republican candidate>, and will do so again this year, but gawd-dammit, I'm getting tired of weak candidates who bring nothing serious to the table.

Out of genuine curiosity what are you after policy wise?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Like the terrible choices from the Democrats weren't enough to ensure 4 more years?

I've been a Democrat since I cast my first vote in 1972...and have had some AWFUL candidates that I just voted for because they weren't <insert name of Republican candidate>, and will do so again this year, but gawd-dammit, I'm getting tired of weak candidates who bring nothing serious to the table.
Dems had one. By all accounts Hillary would have done a good job. It's her history once elected. Republicans said that about her when she was in the Senate. Problem is she is a lousy candidate, a lot of people didn't like her and they stayed home.

77K votes in 3 states is anything but a sizable win.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Out of genuine curiosity what are you after policy wise?

A STRONG national defense policy that doesn't include invading foreign countries for reasons that have zero to do with our national defense.
Policies that will bring American jobs back to the USA instead of off-shoring everything.I
'd love to see national healthcare instead of the for-profit mish-mash we have now, but not necessarily the British or Canadian versions where people often have to wait for months for non-emergency care. (don't know how accurate that really is, just the anecdotal crap)
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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I don't understand this argument that "Trump's violent America will convince independent-minded people to blame someone else for Trump's violent America and have them supporting four more years of Trump violence."
 

pete6032

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A STRONG national defense policy that doesn't include invading foreign countries for reasons that have zero to do with our national defense.
Policies that will bring American jobs back to the USA instead of off-shoring everything.I
'd love to see national healthcare instead of the for-profit mish-mash we have now, but not necessarily the British or Canadian versions where people often have to wait for months for non-emergency care. (don't know how accurate that really is, just the anecdotal crap)
Trump claims to be for 2 out of 3 of those.
 

Fenixgoon

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Jun 30, 2003
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Do you think these people will not ask themselves, "was this violence happening during Obama/Biden"? They are not smart enough to ask themselves that question? Since Dems were running the same cities how is it anyone else's fault but Trump?

Having said that your premise is correct that it helps Trump. However that is the history of fascist/authoritarian regimes taking hold. Check the history.

Your average american is pretty dumb, so if you were to poll people there's a large percentage for whom the answer would be "no, they won't ask themselves"
 
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hal2kilo

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Trump claims that violence in American cities is up this year but just in those with Democratic mayors. This is false. It's up in those with Republican mayors as well. The data bears that out. Trump has no time or patience or mind for data, just says what he thinks/hopes will sway the electorate.

This:


Joe Biden condemns violence, no matter who commits it. Donald Trump refuses to condemn violence when his supporters are the assailants. Under Obama and Biden, violent crime went down 15%. This year, under Trump, murders are up 26% in American cities. So now you know.
Propaganda cares about data?
 

soundforbjt

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Feb 15, 2002
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We REALLY need to look seriously at our education system IF the Dems get full control.

Your average american is pretty dumb, so if you were to poll people there's a large percentage for whom the answer would be "no, they won't ask themselves"
As George Carlin said:

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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A STRONG national defense policy that doesn't include invading foreign countries for reasons that have zero to do with our national defense.
I think you will find that most people are for that, what some people disagree with is what is in the interest of national defence.

Policies that will bring American jobs back to the USA instead of off-shoring everything.
I think once again most people are for that, the problem once again is we disagree on how to do that.
I am honestly not sure that there exists such a policy that would both accomplish that goal and would be possible to implement without the majority of Americans rebelling against you.
Doing such a thing is going to require some serious hardships for at least a decade. We are talking major restructuring of our economy. People would go berserk when they see the short term loss it would create.

I'd love to see national healthcare instead of the for-profit mish-mash we have now, but not necessarily the British or Canadian versions where people often have to wait for months for non-emergency care. (don't know how accurate that really is, just the anecdotal crap)
Medicare for all is that plan.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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We REALLY need to look seriously at our education system IF the Dems get full control.


As George Carlin said:

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Yes, people are stupid. But that is not the real problem. The real problem is that we have become lazy. We don't want to work for the solutions, we want them handed to us.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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I think you will find that most people are for that, what some people disagree with is what is in the interest of national defence.


I think once again most people are for that, the problem once again is we disagree on how to do that.
I am honestly not sure that there exists such a policy that would both accomplish that goal and would be possible to implement without the majority of Americans rebelling against you.
Doing such a thing is going to require some serious hardships for at least a decade. We are talking major restructuring of our economy. People would go berserk when they see the short term loss it would create.

National defense is defense of our borders. Nothing that's happened in Iraq or Afghanistan over the past 20 years has defended our borders. I was fine with going after Osama Bin Forgotten...and if Dubya would have accomplished that quickly and gotten the fuck out of Afghanistan, I'd have considered that a win.

As for bringing American jobs back...I don't have the answer to how to accomplish that without some sacrifices. Maybe start with hitting every company who sends jobs to China or India with HUGE tariffs on their products...steep enough to cover the loss of wages for those people who lost their jobs...AND to cover the loss of tax dollars those jobs paid.

Medicare for all is that plan.

I have Medicare. While it's not nearly as good as the health coverage I had when I was working, it's still better than none. I also have a Medicare Advantage plan that covers things "regular" Medicare doesn't...and it's still not comparable to the plan I had through my union.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I think once again most people are for that, the problem once again is we disagree on how to do that.
I am honestly not sure that there exists such a policy that would both accomplish that goal and would be possible to implement without the majority of Americans rebelling against you.
Doing such a thing is going to require some serious hardships for at least a decade. We are talking major restructuring of our economy. People would go berserk when they see the short term loss it would create.

Especially with costs. The same people that claim they want to see labor brought back to the US, are the same people that are going to balk at how expensive clothes and electronics are now going to be. They will hate it. They say they are happy with paying more, but that is because it is a fantasy that they don't have to own.

Wait until that actually hits their purses. Then you'll know what they truly believe.
 
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