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Ronstang

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I know one of these people. Plain and simple they are freaks. Fucked up in the head beyond belief. The only reason I am still friends with him/her/it is because by the time he told me about this I had known him 25 years.....and all of a sudden a lot made sense. Unfortunately an unattractive man became a really unattractive woman. The saddest part in all this is the fringe medical community which supports and encourages these people.
 

UberNeuman

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I know one of these people. Plain and simple they are freaks. Fucked up in the head beyond belief. The only reason I am still friends with him/her/it is because by the time he told me about this I had known him 25 years.....and all of a sudden a lot made sense. Unfortunately an unattractive man became a really unattractive woman. The saddest part in all this is the fringe medical community which supports and encourages these people.

It's not your life to live....
 

Turbonium

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I know one of these people. Plain and simple they are freaks. Fucked up in the head beyond belief. The only reason I am still friends with him/her/it is because by the time he told me about this I had known him 25 years.....and all of a sudden a lot made sense. Unfortunately an unattractive man became a really unattractive woman. The saddest part in all this is the fringe medical community which supports and encourages these people.
A tad bit judgemental, don't you think?
 

schneiderguy

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They're still brothers. A dude without a dick and balls is still a dude.

It'd be like having someone get a duck beak attached to their face and then wanting people to refer to them as a duck instead of a human. No, you're just a mentally disturbed human.
 

luv2liv

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this is what happens when you have tons of money laying around and not sure what to do with them.
anyways, if you ever have that dilemma, please PM me. i have some ideas.
 

Ronstang

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A tad bit judgemental, don't you think?

If I was judgmental I would have cut all ties with this person like everyone else did. He is definitely messed up in the head as are his transgender friends. Sorry to break it to the faint of heart but there are actually normal things in life....and transgender is about as far from normal as it gets. I am always there for this person when he needs me, as I always have been. That doesn't mean he is not a freak. He has fake boobs and a penis, and tries to talk like a woman except around me who he is comfortable with. He starts talking in his woman voice but digresses to normal rather quickly around me into his normal voice.

No matter what these people do they will never be the opposite sex, never. Most simply end up in a strange kind of limbo where they belong even less than they did before. Really kind of sad.
 

Turbonium

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If I was judgmental I would have cut all ties with this person like everyone else did. He is definitely messed up in the head as are his transgender friends. Sorry to break it to the faint of heart but there are actually normal things in life....and transgender is about as far from normal as it gets. I am always there for this person when he needs me, as I always have been. That doesn't mean he is not a freak. He has fake boobs and a penis, and tries to talk like a woman except around me who he is comfortable with. He starts talking in his woman voice but digresses to normal rather quickly around me into his normal voice.

No matter what these people do they will never be the opposite sex, never. Most simply end up in a strange kind of limbo where they belong even less than they did before. Really kind of sad.
It may be sad in some respects, but that doesn't mean it's not respectable, at least enough to not talk about these people behind their backs. They may be "messed up", but they're still people, and possibly good people at that.

And I don't really agree that there is such a thing as "normal".
 

UglyCasanova

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I find it odd that they lump transsexual/transgender people into the same grouping as lesbians, gays, and bisexuals. For the now standard LGBT label, the first 3 seem to be a characterization all of their own (dealing with their sexual preferences) while the T is not so much a sexual preference but rather self identification.

That said, call me what you will but I don't understand why this is supported and encouraged. I guess if the person in question is happy then so be it, but to say "They are just normal people like you or I" seems to be a bit of a stretch. Are people who cut themselves normal people? People who see things or hear voices? Mental issues can and do exist, why try to hide the fact? And I will never refer to someone born a man as a she or vice versa.
 

Turbonium

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Do you agree that there's such a thing as "not normal"?

Like someone who shoots up a movie theater, for instance.
Things like the event/individual you are referring to are, in my opinion, while unfortunate, not surprising. That's just life. It treats people in different ways. Shit happens. Life isn't fair. We're all dealt different cards from the moment of conception (it all starts with your genes). If you really want to go this route, you could start arguing about whether or not free will really exists, determinism, etc.

And to define "not normal", you first need to define "normal". I'm saying there is no "normal", only social ideal/expectation, which is relative to time and culture, which is a function of the collective whole and majority.

That said, call me what you will but I don't understand why this is supported and encouraged. I guess if the person in question is happy then so be it, but to say "They are just normal people like you or I" seems to be a bit of a stretch. Are people who cut themselves normal people? People who see things or hear voices? Mental issues can and do exist, why try to hide the fact? And I will never refer to someone born a man as a she or vice versa.
Unless you mean "facilitated" instead of "encouraged", I'm not sure it's really encouraged at all, so much as it's supported. It's a person's right to have control over their self-identity, gender, and sex imo, as long as it's not harming anyone else. This is why I will refer to a person as whatever sex they were changed into, out of respect. Yea, in my head, I will never accept them 100% as being the sex they want to be; if they ask, I will tell them the truth about what I think, but I will still refer to a guy as "she" or a girl as "he" if it's what they want.

afaik, they have measures in place to stop people from going through with sex-change operations and such, in order to make sure it's what the person really wants in the end (and in the best interests of their health, particularly mental). Often, these people will live as the desired gender for a few years before going through with any operations.

But yea, the brain is a complex thing. Who are we to judge? You don't know what these people go through, subjectively, so you can't.
 
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Ronstang

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It may be sad in some respects, but that doesn't mean it's not respectable, at least enough to not talk about these people behind their backs. They may be "messed up", but they're still people, and possibly good people at that.

And I don't really agree that there is such a thing as "normal".

Talk behind his back? Really? I made it perfectly clear to him that I think he is a freak, but he is still my friend. I will call him a freak to his face. I'm probably the only person in the world that can.

Normal is not a relative entity except to those trying to justify their abnormality. That is just the way it is. In some respects I am not normal at all compared to the masses....but I am OK with that. I guess you are not.
 

Ronstang

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Someone IS judgemental AND gay.

I'm sorry that you are judgmental and gay. I'm sure there is a support group out there for you. You should check into it. I happen to know an attractive person of either sex when I see them without being attracted to the wrong sex.
 

Turbonium

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Talk behind his back? Really? I made it perfectly clear to him that I think he is a freak, but he is still my friend. I will call him a freak to his face. I'm probably the only person in the world that can.
You never said that afaik. It's good that you let him know what you think. Don't be fake.

Normal is not a relative entity except to those trying to justify their abnormality. That is just the way it is. In some respects I am not normal at all compared to the masses....but I am OK with that. I guess you are not.
Lol? What makes you think that I consider myself "abnormal" at all? For starters, I said there is no normal, so you can't be abnormal, logically. And even assuming I did consider myself "abnormal" (I prefer the term "atypical"; becomes a function of numbers rather than "normalcy"), what makes you think I'm not okay with it?

Work on critical thinking skills please. tb
 

schneiderguy

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Things like the event/individual you are referring to are, in my opinion, while unfortunate, not surprising. That's just life. It treats people in different ways. Shit happens. Life isn't fair. We're all dealt different cards from the moment of conception (it all starts with your genes). If you really want to go this route, you could start arguing about whether or not free will really exists, determinism, etc.

And to define "not normal", you first need to define "normal". I'm saying there is no "normal", only social ideal/expectation, which is relative to time and culture, which is a function of the collective whole and majority.

Regardless of what "normal" is defined as, I'm pretty sure most people would agree that wanting to cut your dick and balls off is "not normal". Wanting to do something like that to yourself will never be "normal".
 

Turbonium

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Regardless of what "normal" is defined as, I'm pretty sure most people would agree that wanting to cut your dick and balls off is "not normal". Wanting to do something like that to yourself will never be "normal".
For psychologies/individuals who identify themselves as "male", no, that isn't "normal".

Imagine you really felt like you were female, etc., despite being a biological male. The thing is, you can't. You haven't experienced that.

btw you're using explicit and gory visualization as a way to support your argument. Really, all you're saying is that it's not normal to want to be a girl when you're born a guy. Wanting to cut your dick off is just details.
 

0roo0roo

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egads, well it rarely works well.

having watched some "documentaries" on this kinda thing ...with effectively unlimited surgery budget, you can get your man brow shaved down(they cut your skullz!!) your chin and jaw bone shaved down as well and the rest.

i'm thankful they made the matrix, but i also remember the sequels..
 

nanette1985

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If I was judgmental I would have cut all ties with this person like everyone else did. He is definitely messed up in the head as are his transgender friends. Sorry to break it to the faint of heart but there are actually normal things in life....and transgender is about as far from normal as it gets. I am always there for this person when he needs me, as I always have been. That doesn't mean he is not a freak. He has fake boobs and a penis, and tries to talk like a woman except around me who he is comfortable with. He starts talking in his woman voice but digresses to normal rather quickly around me into his normal voice.

No matter what these people do they will never be the opposite sex, never. Most simply end up in a strange kind of limbo where they belong even less than they did before. Really kind of sad.

I happen to have a musician friend named Wendy who used to be Walter. She's not a freak. She's way more comfortable and normal as Wendy. I won't argue with you but my experience doesn't support your statements. Wendy doesn't have fake boobs and talks with the same voice she did when she was still Walter. There are some much less successful transgendered people out there. What a wacky world we live in.
 

tcsenter

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We used to have a dude who worked in the cafeteria of my former workplace who would wear a wig, eye shadow, lipstick, an old lady's blouse and some earrings with a 2-week beard and mustache, skirt, hosiery, tennis shoes and a manly T-shirt under the blouse. It was hilarious. Or pathetic.
 
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