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Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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i agree, their whole relationship was just odd. it was basically andrea just talking and michonne being a tough guy. i found it hard to gauge just how much of BFF's they really were.
Andrea made it clear Michonne was the reason she survived during that time, which is why she didn't shoot her in the govs house. Michonne didn't want to kill her either and knowing Andrea wouldn't shoot her, she turned her back and just walked out.
 

Triumph

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Wish they would just answer how it all started. One day you die and you stay dead, the next day someone dies and becomes a walker. It would be nice to know how this thing started.

No one on the show knows how it started. They aren't really even concerned with it. Actually the audience isn't even supposed to be concerned with it, the writers have spent almost 0% of the show discussing how this all happened, or any plans at all to find out how it started. In another adaptation of this genre, you might have a pack of survivors whose quest is to find a cure, and there is a lot of tension and drama and development to further that plot line, little clues here and there, discoveries every now and again, leading to a big payoff in the end. On this show, the writers have done pretty much absolutely nothing to establish that kind of a storyline.

So if you're watching this show to find out whodunnit, you're probably going to be disappointed.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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It was Colonel Mustard in the ballroom with the candlestick.

Damn you! If you are going to put spoilers like that the [spoiler][/spoiler] tags are not enough! You need to type it upside down and backwards so I have to mouse over it and then turn my monitor upside down to read it!
 

Merithynos

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Dec 22, 2000
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Yes, it is hard because early on the number of living will far outweigh the number of zombies. You are telling me that hundreds of criminals can't somehow figure out how to kill zombies? They just need to push them to the ground and stomp their head in with their foot, not so hard. Everyone has seen a zombie movie in their lifetime and knows that you have to go for the head. Or you don't think one person would shout "Hey go for the head" Even if you were stupid you could figure it out. Let's say there was a population of 500 inmates. Only 6 survived? All the rest are zombies?

Also the zombies on the TV show don't just bite and move on. They bite, take down their kill, and then start feasting. They don't just go from person to person just to bite to infect them. They are going for the kill, and ripping all their guts out.

So yes it is hard to imagine a good scenario where you have a prison full of skinny inmate zombies.

You're assuming that the only way that the zombie plague could have take over the prison, (or every where really) is via a single infected person biting another person, that bites another person, etc.

Let's assume this is a virus (or bacteria, or prion, some sort of external pathogen). Clearly the immune system is unable to clear it; everyone is infected. Since everyone is infected, it obviously doesn't *require* direct transmission into the bloodstream via a bite.

So what was the initial mortality rate for the virus? Even the most lethal hemorrhagic fevers (Ebola, etc), don't have a 100% mortality rate. Was the virus so lethal it killed, in days, 70% of the people it infected? What if it was only 50%? Where is the tipping point? At what point does society begin to shut down...is it 40%? 30%? 20%? What mortality rate statistic would you have to hear before you made one panicked run to the grocery store and tried to hunker down until the crisis passed?

What happens when no one goes to work because they're afraid of what they're seeing on TV? 50% of the power generation in the US is produced by coal plants, which on average have a 20 day supply of fuel. Assuming people go to work to maintain the plant. Grocery stores turnover their food in 2-3 days...assuming truck drivers are willing to deliver the food.

It's pretty clear (assuming the TV producers have though these things through) that things went to hell pretty quickly. There is still food on the shelves. There is gas available to use.

There are also dead bodies in vehicles that don't show any sign of having reanimated. People are dead in their houses with no visible trauma (in beds, etc), so not everyone reanimates.

Here's one easy way to explain the state of the prison when they find it:

The pathogen has two methods of propagation; airborne and fluid-transmission. The airborne spread is via people sneezing and coughing. The pathogen settles in the lungs, producing inflammation and pneumonia (and more sneezing and coughing). Let's posit an incubation period of 36-48 hours, followed by rapid onset of symptoms. Hosts are contagious within 12 hours of initial infection. With air travel, that's probably enough time to spread it broadly enough that there is no easy way to quarantine it (if you want to really make it infectious, we could always give it a natural reservoir; maybe it infects, but does not kill, birds for instance).

The pathogen kills roughly 40% of infected hosts via acute pneumonic processes, causes mild to severe respiratory distress in another 40%, while roughly 20% are infected but asymptomatic. Due to a novel process of infection, humans have little to no immune defense against the initial infection, resulting in an effective infection rate of 100%.

Primary infection is localized to the lungs and mucous membranes. In a limited number of cases (call it 20%), the pathogen crosses the blood-brain barrier and induces meningitis. When this occurs, the disease is inevitably fatal; post-mortem, the deceased reanimate.

The infection is not cleared by the immune system in any known cases. Asymptomatic carriers and those recovered from the mild symptomatic version carry a small but noticeable pathogen load. Post-mortem, most (if not all) carriers will reanimate.

Secondary infection can occur from the bites (or potentially scratches) of the reanimated deceased. In this event, the pathogen is introduced directly into the bloodstream, quickly progressing to the meningitis form of the disease, followed rapidly by death and reanimation.

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TL;DR:

Zombie plague caused by a highly-contagious airborne pathogen that kills 40% of the infected, a portion of whom reanimate. Sick guard goes to work, coughs on co-workers, inmates. Rinse, repeat.
 

Triumph

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Here's one easy way to explain the state of the prison when they find it:

The pathogen has two methods of propagation; airborne and fluid-transmission. The airborne spread is via people sneezing and coughing. The pathogen settles in the lungs, producing inflammation and pneumonia (and more sneezing and coughing). Let's posit an incubation period of 36-48 hours, followed by rapid onset of symptoms. Hosts are contagious within 12 hours of initial infection. With air travel, that's probably enough time to spread it broadly enough that there is no easy way to quarantine it (if you want to really make it infectious, we could always give it a natural reservoir; maybe it infects, but does not kill, birds for instance).

The pathogen kills roughly 40% of infected hosts via acute pneumonic processes, causes mild to severe respiratory distress in another 40%, while roughly 20% are infected but asymptomatic. Due to a novel process of infection, humans have little to no immune defense against the initial infection, resulting in an effective infection rate of 100%.

Primary infection is localized to the lungs and mucous membranes. In a limited number of cases (call it 20%), the pathogen crosses the blood-brain barrier and induces meningitis. When this occurs, the disease is inevitably fatal; post-mortem, the deceased reanimate.

The infection is not cleared by the immune system in any known cases. Asymptomatic carriers and those recovered from the mild symptomatic version carry a small but noticeable pathogen load. Post-mortem, most (if not all) carriers will reanimate.

Secondary infection can occur from the bites (or potentially scratches) of the reanimated deceased. In this event, the pathogen is introduced directly into the bloodstream, quickly progressing to the meningitis form of the disease, followed rapidly by death and reanimation.

Jesus christ...

Here's one easy way to explain the state of the prison when they find it:

IT'S A FUCKING TV SHOW ABOUT ZOMBIES. THAT'S WHY THERE ARE ZOMBIES IN THE PRISON.
 

rockyct

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2001
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Jesus christ...

Here's one easy way to explain the state of the prison when they find it:

IT'S A FUCKING TV SHOW ABOUT ZOMBIES. THAT'S WHY THERE ARE ZOMBIES IN THE PRISON.
Well, and the thing is that we will never really know about how exactly the "shit hit the fan." His theory is fan and whatever, but it honestly doesn't matter and expecting an answer is going to just frustrate you.

Zombies will be, or not be, wherever is most beneficial to the plot.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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They don't have to say it in the show...this thing is based off of a Comic book. Only takes a little bit of Googling to find out her name is Michonne, the two Zombies are her Boyfriend and his friend, etc.

Im not smug, just replying to nonsense racism allegations about the "Slave" zombies. They aren't actually slaves, she cut their arms and bottom jaws off because they keep trying to attack her. After walking around with her for a while, they stopped and other zombies won't attack because shes with them.

oh no not this again....

content is stand-alone. if it is an adaptation, it is only ever a good adaptation if stands on its own merit. No film adaptation should require any prior knowledge for a neophyte to enjoy it. Further, flim adaptations rarely bring along the same amount of content, running time restricts it, plus visual story telling is far different.

no one should have to go read a comic book, or the novel, or whatever, to have these thins explained to them. ever. If the writers of the film version deem the details unnecessary for their project (they should never be considered "the same") then such details will be left out.

for one thing, you can't possibly assume that the relationships will be the same from one version to the next, as character arches may change.


....

anyhoo, finally catching up with this. I have a few more episodes to watch of this last season. Don't get why everyone hated Karl so much in the beginning. Kind of useless the first 2 seasons, but whatever. He sure came into this season as some sort of badass, though.
 

WiseUp216

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Yep. We managed to get tickets even though it sold out in less than an hour. I was really surprised. The theater website was giving us issues and when we called they said we got 2 of the last 5 tickets available.

It should be fun. I wish they had more than 3 cast members coming, though.
 

BladeVenom

Lifer
Jun 2, 2005
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They fired Frank Darabont, and now Maazara is being forced to go. I don't get AMC. Why are they sacking people who have made their most successful program ever?
 

OlafSicky

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They fired Frank Darabont, and now Maazara is being forced to go. I don't get AMC. Why are they sacking people who have made their most successful program ever?
Because they think they can get someone else to do that job for less $$$$
 

rockyct

Diamond Member
Jun 23, 2001
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It often feels like the Walking Dead is just too big of a TV show to thrive on AMC. I think they've done an incredible job, but you can't help but wish it were on HBO or Showtime a little bit.
 

pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
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awhile back someone posted a online game about zombie survival. I thought it was in this thread but not sure. Anyone know what it is?
 

ManBearPig

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Sep 5, 2000
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I recently got my bro into walking dead and noticed in the initial few episodes the zombies are much more capable.

Climbing, running, grabbing and throwing objects, turning door knobs. Wtf?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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They fired Frank Darabont, and now Maazara is being forced to go. I don't get AMC. Why are they sacking people who have made their most successful program ever?

this is their most successful program ever?

really?

I don't buy that.

walking dead is barely a whisper of significance forgotten in the trail of vaginas wrecked by Don Draper.

...I mean, I like Walking Dead (it took 2+ seasons), but Madmen made this network.

Walking Dead could die tomorrow, and few would care compared to what would happen if the same happened to Madmen.


also, where does it say Mazzarra is being forced to go? I don't see that in any of the statements.
 
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