Yeh he flat lied to him and she came and wrecked havok he isnt playing he thinks he was in on it.
he has been questioning his loyalty for the past 3 episodes already.. now that was the final straw.
Why wouldn't they?
Merle lied to the Governor about killing Michonne. Michonne comes back, kills his zombie babby, pokes his eye out with a shard of glass...
Pretty damn sure at this point the Governor wants Merle dead.
In the episode, they claimed zombies feel no pain and therefore was believed they could be much stronger than a normal human that would stop doing things once it hurt. They simulated the zombie strength with large body builder men. They had 4-5 men attempt to tear the "organs" out of one of those ballistic gel dummies (the ones they use on myth busters) to see what could be done. Turns out the body was torn to little dummie bits in about 1 minute.
Two quick thoughts after last night's episode:
1. Where the hell is everyone getting automatic weapons? The governor's people I can somewhat understand given their raid on the National Guard (though I'm not sure even they would have full auto). But Rick's people? Doubt a prison has that type of stock.
Yeah, that last one is not very flattering.
They had the M4 and AK in the premiere episode of the season already. This season started after the winter, and "it was a long winter", so they probably picked those things up along the way.
Makes sense given that they're in the US of A. At the CDC alone, they could of and should have picked up all the M4s from the dead sentries outside. But no..... we only need shotguns and a hunting rifle.
You do know prisoners are not locked up all day right? especially in Prison. they spend roughly 8 hours a day on lock down for sleep only the rest they are free to do their work duties all over the prison.
Prisons are more of a labor camp than a lockdown.. except for the super violent people on lockdown/segregation.. they do not work.
That and once news hit ( they have TVs in Prison) I'm sure there was a riot/panic and they guards most likely lost control of the prison.
But if all hell is breaking loose in the outside world wouldn't you put the prison in lockdown mode to prevent any riots?
But still how would you explain how it spread to infect so many prisoners. YES I KNOW EVERYONE IS ALREADY INFECTED AND ONCE THEY DIE THEY TURN ZOMBIE.
Even if a dozen of them turned zombie it would be a prison population of hundreds, plus the guards with weapons vs a few zombies. Even if a swarm invaded the prison they would have devoured all the prisoners and not left any to turn into a zombie.
The only other thing that could have happened is if the guards started killing all the prisoners with guns, then they turned zombie, and started killing. But still you would have fewer number of fat zombies and not a prison full of skinny zombies that only have a small bite on them.
But if all hell is breaking loose in the outside world wouldn't you put the prison in lockdown mode to prevent any riots?
But still how would you explain how it spread to infect so many prisoners. YES I KNOW EVERYONE IS ALREADY INFECTED AND ONCE THEY DIE THEY TURN ZOMBIE.
Even if a dozen of them turned zombie it would be a prison population of hundreds, plus the guards with weapons vs a few zombies. Even if a swarm invaded the prison they would have devoured all the prisoners and not left any to turn into a zombie.
The only other thing that could have happened is if the guards started killing all the prisoners with guns, then they turned zombie, and started killing. But still you would have fewer number of fat zombies and not a prison full of skinny zombies that only have a small bite on them.
That is all fine and dandy.. but if the prisoners heard about it at the same time as the guards very hard to lock down a panicked prison in riot mode.
which since everything Ive read in the TWD universe it happened all very fast.
That doesn't make any sense as not feeling pain isn't going to magically increase muscle fiber capability. It would possibly allow them to continue to do things after a normal human would stop due to muscle fatigue.
You know, the governor really isn't that bad. I'm sure he's not the only one that's kept a zombie family member alive in hopes of finding a cure. He seems to genuinely care for the community he's created. The heads...who cares, they're zombies. Who wouldn't be emotionally distraught over their daughter getting a katana through the mouth?
you forget tricking and mercilessly killing the soldiers?
That is all fine and dandy.. but if the prisoners heard about it at the same time as the guards very hard to lock down a panicked prison in riot mode.
which since everything Ive read in the TWD universe it happened all very fast.
It just is hard for me understand how a prison full of hardened bad ass criminals, hundreds of them, behind a fence could be taken over by the zombies.
It seems like all the zombies in the prison were guards or prisoners. Only a small percentage were non prisoners. That rules out a roaming hoard invading the prison. Besides if the hoard came and went why wouldn't the remaining prisoner zombies follow the hoard out of the prison.
That means the only explanation is that the zombies spread by infection throughout the prison. But like the previous poster said they typically devour the victim to not leave enough left for that victim to become a walking zombie.
So how did it really spread so fast that the guards and prisoners could not fight off the zombies that were there?
I like my explanation about the government dropping a bomb with some gas in order to experiment on how to kill zombies. They did show the army droping napalm on Atlanta to kill the hoards there.
Actually it does to a small degree. Pain is frequently the limiting factor in physical exertion. Without the sensation of pain we would "be stronger." look at the guys on pcp/khat who break their own arms struggling against restraints.
And sending a team to hunt down and kill Michonne after letting her leave.
It just is hard for me understand how a prison full of hardened bad ass criminals, hundreds of them, behind a fence could be taken over by the zombies.
It seems like all the zombies in the prison were guards or prisoners. Only a small percentage were non prisoners. That rules out a roaming hoard invading the prison. Besides if the hoard came and went why wouldn't the remaining prisoner zombies follow the hoard out of the prison.
That means the only explanation is that the zombies spread by infection throughout the prison. But like the previous poster said they typically devour the victim to not leave enough left for that victim to become a walking zombie.
So how did it really spread so fast that the guards and prisoners could not fight off the zombies that were there?
I like my explanation about the government dropping a bomb with some gas in order to experiment on how to kill zombies. They did show the army droping napalm on Atlanta to kill the hoards there.
You are looking at the situation from the viewers view and not someone that would be in the actual situation.
What do I mean? The people in the prison had no idea that if they didn't smash the head of a person who died that they would come back, they also didn't know that bashing their head in is the only way to kill them.
Look at it like this. In prison you have a lot of people packed into small cages with no weapons (outside of some how made ones that few have). All you know is shit is hitting the fan outside. Shit hits the fan inside and prison start fighting/rioting and of course some die. Dead come back as zombies, people don't know wtf is going on as shit is hitting the fan and zombies are biting more people and more people are dying. Remember this is going on in small caged areas. We know the prison was compromised to some degree with how the new group entered in the back and it showed a large section of wall missing and the hole in the fence.
Is it really that hard to see how a prison can be overrun. When we first saw the prisoners fight when Rick and the others took them out, they went all riot beat down on the zombies just swinging like mad men and not going for the heads.
In that sense, Meryl did lead the group back to the town. Of course the gov will spin it any way he sees fit to make the town think he only cares about their security. He rules through fear of "everything outside".Yeh he flat lied to him and she came and wrecked havok he isnt playing he thinks he was in on it.
he has been questioning his loyalty for the past 3 episodes already.. now that was the final straw.
You are looking at the situation from the viewers view and not someone that would be in the actual situation.
What do I mean? The people in the prison had no idea that if they didn't smash the head of a person who died that they would come back, they also didn't know that bashing their head in is the only way to kill them.
Look at it like this. In prison you have a lot of people packed into small cages with no weapons (outside of some how made ones that few have). All you know is shit is hitting the fan outside. Shit hits the fan inside and prison start fighting/rioting and of course some die. Dead come back as zombies, people don't know wtf is going on as shit is hitting the fan and zombies are biting more people and more people are dying. Remember this is going on in small caged areas. We know the prison was compromised to some degree with how the new group entered in the back and it showed a large section of wall missing and the hole in the fence.
Is it really that hard to see how a prison can be overrun. When we first saw the prisoners fight when Rick and the others took them out, they went all riot beat down on the zombies just swinging like mad men and not going for the heads.
Yes, it is hard because early on the number of living will far outweigh the number of zombies. You are telling me that hundreds of criminals can't somehow figure out how to kill zombies? They just need to push them to the ground and stomp their head in with their foot, not so hard. Everyone has seen a zombie movie in their lifetime and knows that you have to go for the head. Or you don't think one person would shout "Hey go for the head" Even if you were stupid you could figure it out. Let's say there was a population of 500 inmates. Only 6 survived? All the rest are zombies?
Also the zombies on the TV show don't just bite and move on. They bite, take down their kill, and then start feasting. They don't just go from person to person just to bite to infect them. They are going for the kill, and ripping all their guts out.
So yes it is hard to imagine a good scenario where you have a prison full of skinny inmate zombies.
Also the zombies on the TV show don't just bite and move on. They bite, take down their kill, and then start feasting. They don't just go from person to person just to bite to infect them. They are going for the kill, and ripping all their guts out.
So yes it is hard to imagine a good scenario where you have a prison full of skinny inmate zombies.
They don't just go from person to person just to bite to infect them.
Yes, it is hard because early on the number of living will far outweigh the number of zombies. You are telling me that hundreds of criminals can't somehow figure out how to kill zombies? They just need to push them to the ground and stomp their head in with their foot, not so hard. Everyone has seen a zombie movie in their lifetime and knows that you have to go for the head. Or you don't think one person would shout "Hey go for the head" Even if you were stupid you could figure it out. Let's say there was a population of 500 inmates. Only 6 survived? All the rest are zombies?
Also the zombies on the TV show don't just bite and move on. They bite, take down their kill, and then start feasting. They don't just go from person to person just to bite to infect them. They are going for the kill, and ripping all their guts out.
So yes it is hard to imagine a good scenario where you have a prison full of skinny inmate zombies.
Pretty easy actually. Prison guards have families too so of course many of them will abandon their posts to tend to them. In leaving you think a bunch of panicked guards care if the prison is secured before they left? Doors and gates are going to be left open, allowing swarms of zombies to flood in, attack and infect anyone not in a cell. The ones locked with no food or water eventually die and turn.
Pretty easy actually. Prison guards have families too so of course many of them will abandon their posts to tend to them. In leaving you think a bunch of panicked guards care if the prison is secured before they left? Doors and gates are going to be left open, allowing swarms of zombies to flood in, attack and infect anyone not in a cell. The ones locked with no food or water eventually die and turn.
They were behind a CHAIN LINK FENCE! Let's say all the guards ran off, you don't think the prisoners would have all done a mass jailbreak over the fence???? If it were electrified that would have stopped all the zombies from getting in but we know the power went out.
Plus if there was a swarm like you said with an open fence how come the only zombies we see are prisoners and guards? There were only maybe one or two that were not. They could have been visitors to the prison.
Plus if it were a swarm they would have devoured all the living and have not left any with only a bite. Again when we see a hoard attack a living person they put them down to the ground rip out all the guts and eat everything. There is not enough left to be a walking zombie.
Yes, it is hard because early on the number of living will far outweigh the number of zombies. You are telling me that hundreds of criminals can't somehow figure out how to kill zombies? They just need to push them to the ground and stomp their head in with their foot, not so hard. Everyone has seen a zombie movie in their lifetime and knows that you have to go for the head. Or you don't think one person would shout "Hey go for the head" Even if you were stupid you could figure it out. Let's say there was a population of 500 inmates. Only 6 survived? All the rest are zombies?
Also the zombies on the TV show don't just bite and move on. They bite, take down their kill, and then start feasting. They don't just go from person to person just to bite to infect them. They are going for the kill, and ripping all their guts out.
So yes it is hard to imagine a good scenario where you have a prison full of skinny inmate zombies.
Ok then using that logic how in the HOLY HELL did the US Military with freaking TANKS and secured bases get overrun?
There is no way in hell that would have happened..
sometimes you just gotta suspend disbelief and enjoy