The Walking Dead Season 5 - Official discussion thread

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Vdubchaos

Lifer
Nov 11, 2009
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You guys are silly....it's simply somebody's story...they made up.....for whatever reason....to keep you watching.

Just accept it now
 

manimal

Lifer
Mar 30, 2007
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this story arc is zzzzzz.

People have been clamoring for beth for some time and they got her. Its wasnt bad and it told her story but it was missing some budget outside the few shots beth shot off.



I thought it was another study in how society breaks down. The servitude portion of the show is happening today in real life in india and in other countries around the world. People end up in these cycles of debt that are designed to keep them there forever. Not so unbelievable in a Zompocolypse.


Would have been nice to have been given the payoff on Daryl but it probably ruins the next episode im guessing.
 

smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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People have been clamoring for beth for some time and they got her. Its wasnt bad and it told her story but it was missing some budget outside the few shots beth shot off.



I thought it was another study in how society breaks down. The servitude portion of the show is happening today in real life in india and in other countries around the world. People end up in these cycles of debt that are designed to keep them there forever. Not so unbelievable in a Zompocolypse.


Would have been nice to have been given the payoff on Daryl but it probably ruins the next episode im guessing.
Situations like this aren't just happening in India. The pay day loan scam has been ensnaring people for years. The idea that a simple loan will get you back on track just isn't the case, and people are having to take another loan to pay off that one, and another for that one, etc. And, of course, the people giving the loans are more than happy to continue to serve you.
 

lozina

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
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On a good vs evil scale I dont think this hospital group is all that bad, maybe 'mildly evil' because they purposely pick and choose who they save with the intention of keeping weaker people in indefinite servitude.

Certainly would rather be stuck there than hanging in the meat drying room of Terminus.
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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Situations like this aren't just happening in India. The pay day loan scam has been ensnaring people for years. The idea that a simple loan will get you back on track just isn't the case, and people are having to take another loan to pay off that one, and another for that one, etc. And, of course, the people giving the loans are more than happy to continue to serve you.

It's probably even simpler than that... People keeping shit jobs to keep up with the Jones', to buy a house with a 30 year mortgage they "need", credit card debt, car loan, etc. And in the case of the US, hospital bills, which is closer to this story than the rest.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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What exactly is there to get? A setup where the authority kidnap serfs and leave those capable of fighting behind? They place those whom happen to be "rescued", if that even is the case, in an indentured servitude that will never cease? A leader who thinks something beyond the cluster fuck that is the world still exists and will eventually rescue them to rebuild?

Or, how about a society with a leader that stronger people, with guns, follow for no reason other than "well, it was in the script"?
People at this point are full blown crazy. On the crazy scale Dawn isn't even close to as bad as The Governor or Gareth. I assume Gormon was in it for the pussy.
 

TheAdvocate

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Mar 7, 2005
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Ughh - agree with the folks who disliked that episode. So boring and poorly executed. Seemed like the B team wrote and directed on a shoestring budget. Acting was terrible too. Apparently they shot it in a real hospital, but it still looked like a bunch of sets (congrats director, you made a real location look fake)...

It's probably setting up the story line exactly as described - Darryl and Noah meet up with the team - they go break everyone out of the hospital - reload on medicine, etc. Just another excuse to not leave the friendly confines of Georgia for cheaper production costs.

The season started out so well. I hope they don't piss away the early momentum.
 

gururu2

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Oct 14, 2007
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I didn't like the idea that Carol could be taken so easily after single-handedly thrashing the cannibals.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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I didn't like the idea that Carol could be taken so easily after single-handedly thrashing the cannibals.

It would've been dope if she was
Coming in like a Trojan horse but the daryl reveal kills that idea...
 

smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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People at this point are full blown crazy. On the crazy scale Dawn isn't even close to as bad as The Governor or Gareth. I assume Gormon was in it for the pussy.

Why would Gormon be a slave to Dawn's leadership? He could easily have taken her out and taken over. He would really be rolling in the pussy then, as rapings could be acceptable. They give zero reason why Dawn was the leader and why she was letting more and more stuff go to keep the other cops happy, at the expense of the "patients".
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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Why would Gormon be a slave to Dawn's leadership? He could easily have taken her out and taken over. He would really be rolling in the pussy then, as rapings could be acceptable. They give zero reason why Dawn was the leader and why she was letting more and more stuff go to keep the other cops happy, at the expense of the "patients".

Chain of command? Discipline? Fear of change?

The whole myth they were into was that they would be rescued by authorities and that they were doing something for the "greater good". If they believed the first part, they would be disciplined/imprisoned for "mutiny" when rescued.

Dawn kept the hopeful story going, was supposedly the superior officer, and ruled with abuse and physical discipline. And they talked about how she was barely holding on. Regardless, she managed to keep the slaves somewhat in check and her own officers at the same time.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Why would Gormon be a slave to Dawn's leadership? He could easily have taken her out and taken over. He would really be rolling in the pussy then, as rapings could be acceptable. They give zero reason why Dawn was the leader and why she was letting more and more stuff go to keep the other cops happy, at the expense of the "patients".
Like I said, maybe that will all be explained in a later ep.
 

ghost recon88

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Oct 2, 2005
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Did Gormon rape that other girl who had her arm amputated, and then kill her? Trying to figure out how she died with a pair of scissors in her hands
 

smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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She killed herself.

And scratched a nice message into the floor of Dawn's office to boot!
Like I said, maybe that will all be explained in a later ep.
Which is incredibly poor writing, if that is so. If the cops turn out to be some kind of lawful evil scenario, refusing to break rank and order, but willing to commit evil, there should have been some discipline rank system established in the story. Dawn could have "pulled rank" on any of the officers at any time to even pretend to establish a chain of command situation.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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question re: E03

How did rick + crew get back inside the church, or was that never explained?
 

Ferzerp

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They never discussed the plan on screen. Apparently their plan assumed that the other team would attack the church, so they left and then came back.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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And scratched a nice message into the floor of Dawn's office to boot!

Which is incredibly poor writing, if that is so. If the cops turn out to be some kind of lawful evil scenario, refusing to break rank and order, but willing to commit evil, there should have been some discipline rank system established in the story. Dawn could have "pulled rank" on any of the officers at any time to even pretend to establish a chain of command situation.
Didn't she pull rank on Gormon with respect to Beth?
 
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Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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They never discussed the plan on screen. Apparently their plan assumed that the other team would attack the church, so they left and then came back.

yeah I got that part, I just have no idea how they actually facilitated leaving the church and coming back inside undetected.
 

smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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yeah I got that part, I just have no idea how they actually facilitated leaving the church and coming back inside undetected.

I think the idea was they knew Bob was had been dropped off, so they exited into the treeline to wait for the new crew, whom they assumed were watching, would enter the church. They figured the Termites would expect them to retaliate in full for Bob and they would wipe out those left behind. So, they hid and ambushed the Termites when they did exactly that. Of course, this couldn't be explained beforehand, because you lose 100% of the suspense.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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I think the idea was they knew Bob was had been dropped off, so they exited into the treeline to wait for the new crew, whom they assumed were watching, would enter the church. They figured the Termites would expect them to retaliate in full for Bob and they would wipe out those left behind. So, they hid and ambushed the Termites when they did exactly that. Of course, this couldn't be explained beforehand, because you lose 100% of the suspense.

I don't need an explanation, I just need to know how they got out of the church and back inside undetected. I'd rather not chalk this up to suspension of disbelief.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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I don't need an explanation, I just need to know how they got out of the church and back inside undetected. I'd rather not chalk this up to suspension of disbelief.
I don't understand. You think they can't open the door at night quietly?
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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I don't need an explanation, I just need to know how they got out of the church and back inside undetected. I'd rather not chalk this up to suspension of disbelief.

Clearly, you've never played Skyrim. They just had to crouch walk...
 

Ns1

No Lifer
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I don't understand. You think they can't open the door at night quietly?

Which door? I mean it looks like the Termites came through the main door towards the front of the church, and then Rick's group were behind them. Which means that Rick's group would have to leave, Termites would have to come through the front, then Rick's group would also have to come through the front (same way as the termites) undetected?
 
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