The Walking Dead Season 5 - Official discussion thread

[CZroe]

Oh, what the fuq...

P.S. Post credits sequence in case anyone skipped them.

So, people did see the final scene after the credits, right?

What happened? My DVR cut off at the part where he reads the message Abraham wrote on the map.

 

[AdamK47]

Hmmm... how about that end?

 

[lozina]

Ok I feel like a dummy. I didn't get the end.

What did Beth figure out that prompted her to stab Dawn so suddenly??

P.s. Are the teasers with Morgan going to last several more seasons before they meet up or what? geeeez!

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Ok I feel like a dummy. I didn't get the end.

What did Beth figure out that prompted her to stab Dawn so suddenly??

P.s. Are the teasers with Morgan going to last several more seasons before they meet up or what? geeeez!

Earlier in the episode Dawn said Noah would come back. When they go to do the exchange, Dawn wasn't happy just getting her 2 officers back, she wanted to have control of the situation and show that she was right that Noah would be back.

Beth's "I get it" was her finally realizing that Dawn has to have it her way or nothing at all. She has to always have the upper hand despite the costs. Had Noah gone back and everyone went their separate ways, nothing would have changed at the hospital. Dawn would be in charge and Noah and the other patients would be at her command.

That's how I took it at least. They could've made the scene a bit longer between the two of them though.

 

[mugs]

I was positive a major death would occur this episode, but bad choice!

Better than killing

Spoiler

Carol

 

[Kaido]

Better than killing

Spoiler

Carol

I don't think we need spoilers as this is a discussion thread.

 

[AdamK47]

It was a bit uncomfortable watching Emily on The Talking Dead. She had a hard time holding it together.

 

[Kaido]

Wow, great misdirection - with all of Carol's flashbacks & needing medical attention, I thought it was going to be her, although it was entirely too obvious. Poor Beth! What made it worse was knowing that Maggie's reaction was next, and seeing Darryl cry, since she was the good in his world. The final nail in the tear coffin for me was in the Talking Dead - "she'll be in her father's arms soon" ahhhhhhhhh

Can't believe it's not back on until February! They need to ditch the priest at the hospital, he's no good to anyone right now. They should also leave Eugene at the hospital. They would be do well in a closed environment like that.

What's interesting is that Morgan found the map to DC...so is DC back in the cards now? Are they going to help Noah get home too? I don't want it to go back into "we're on the road in survival mode" again, but I also don't want them to get stuck in another prison/hospital/church/safezone just to get run out again.

 

[Kaido]

It was a bit uncomfortable watching Emily on The Talking Dead. She had a hard time holding it together.

Her character seems pretty 1:1 with her IRL personality; she seems like a genuinely sensitive person. Which was entirely different from Rosita's TV character & her somewhat introverted interview a week or two ago, I thought she was going to be kind of like a Michelle Rodriguez type of power girl or something.

Anyway, that must have stunk for her as an actress...no only not being able to tell anyone, but also have to pack up & move after spending years in Georgia. Being an actor sounds pretty crazy to me...I like routine haha.

 

[Kaido]

Earlier in the episode Dawn said Noah would come back. When they go to do the exchange, Dawn wasn't happy just getting her 2 officers back, she wanted to have control of the situation and show that she was right that Noah would be back.

Beth's "I get it" was her finally realizing that Dawn has to have it her way or nothing at all. She has to always have the upper hand despite the costs. Had Noah gone back and everyone went their separate ways, nothing would have changed at the hospital. Dawn would be in charge and Noah and the other patients would be at her command.

That's how I took it at least. They could've made the scene a bit longer between the two of them though.

That's a good analysis, I was trying to figure out Dawn's actions, but I think you profiled her correctly - she needs to show everyone she is in control & is running the show. I think at least a few more seconds of dialogue would have been good, but I'm kind of glad it ended so quickly. Initially I thought one of Dawn's snipers had taken Beth out, but then I saw the gun & realized she was simply prepared for anything. Plus, the writers needed a way to ensure the group would move on from the hospital in order to keep the story going, and there's no way they'll hole up there now!

If Beth hadn't of gotten over-confident & stood up for Noah, they could have just done a nighttime strike team to get Noah out. But the way they did it also resolves the need to free the other "inmates" trapped there, and it sounds like we'll be getting some new characters (at least one) from what the creator said on the Talking Dead.

 

[Kaido]

My one complaint was when they locked the zombies in the church. There was a hole in the door, why didn't Michone just stab them one-by-one & then take the church back? Plot was too thin there for my tastes. But, it opened up the way for Abraham to ram the door, so there's that.

Like they said on the Talking Dead, they do a really good job on this show of introducing jerk characters like Dawn & humanizing them. When she & Beth killed the officer down the shaft, you realized what she had been going through & why she needed order in her life so bad. She was just approach it the wrong way. It's the same thing they mentioned about Shane - Rick is basically Shane now, but he's gone through the steps & processes to get there, unlike Shane who was willing to off people in his group.

I don't think Rick went to the dark side by killing the runaway cop. Number one, the cop ran away and hurt one of his people, and number two, that could have potentially killed many of them had he gotten word to Dawn about their situation. When Rick almost killed the cop who was fighting Darryl last episode or two ago, and Darryl talked him out of it, that really felt like he was on the line, but this was justified...he stopped a situation from happening that would have endangered his people - and through no fault of his own, it was the cop's choice to flee & also to not listen even when the cop knew he was cornered - and then did a mercy killing due to his broken spine.

Reading that paragraph above makes this show sound insane haha.

 

[Kaido]

P.s. Are the teasers with Morgan going to last several more seasons before they meet up or what? geeeez!

I have a feeling Morgan is in it for the long haul. He's a reasonably well-known TV actor (Jericho etc.) and he was in the first few episodes, plus the creator guy talked about how not shooting his wife in those early episodes brought the emotional element into the show that differentiated it from other zombie shows. So I think he's going to play a big role down the road, especially since he's apparently going to follow Rick to D.C., which suggests that Rick is going to steer the group towards D.C., possibly as a stopover to taking Noah home.

Plus they could have a lot of fun with zombies in suits in DC

 

[AznAnarchy99]

WD needs an overarching story again...

 

[Imp]

I don't think Rick went to the dark side by killing the runaway cop. Number one, the cop ran away and hurt one of his people, and number two, that could have potentially killed many of them had he gotten word to Dawn about their situation. When Rick almost killed the cop who was fighting Darryl last episode or two ago, and Darryl talked him out of it, that really felt like he was on the line, but this was justified...he stopped a situation from happening that would have endangered his people - and through no fault of his own, it was the cop's choice to flee & also to not listen even when the cop knew he was cornered - and then did a mercy killing due to his broken spine.

Reading that paragraph above makes this show sound insane haha.

There's also the whole making Rick and Sasha trust him and then completely effed them over.

So, is new lady cop in charge now?

P.S. Dawn was hot, but did not look her age (i.e. looked older).

 

[Kaido]

WD needs an overarching story again...

Yeah, it doesn't feel like they have any obstacles at the present time...just surviving until they die. At least Eugene gave us hope! But look at their plot history...they found each other & teamed up. Then they found the farm & killed off Shane. Then they had the prison. etc. etc. But it's not really about the zombies anymore, since as long as you don't run into a herd or get trapped, they're easy to kill. So what's next? The creator mentioned in the Talking Dead that they were going to change it up again next year, so hopefully that will draw us back in.

 

[Kaido]

There's also the whole making Rick and Sasha trust him and then completely effed them over.

So, is new lady cop in charge now?

P.S. Dawn was hot, but did not look her age (i.e. looked older).

They were dumb to trust him. Rule #1, trust no one outside your group, until they are well-integrated & battle-tested. Even newbies have their onboarding difficulties, like when Bob wouldn't let go of his alcohol bag on the roof that one time early on with him.

I think they picked a good person to play Dawn because yeah, she looked older - her job in the zombie aftermath was stressful & pre-maturely aged her. I don't think that new lady cop will be in charge, I think the one tough-guy cop they traded is the most likely candidate.

I'm curious if they'll hang out at the hospital for a bit, or drop off some people like Eugene there. There seemed to be a bit more to the doctor than they revealed, and it felt like they kept hinting that there was more going on in the hospital than they initially let on, but they never really went anywhere with that - just kind of filler for the Beth episodes, I guess.

 

[Remobz]

They were dumb to trust him. Rule #1, trust no one outside your group, until they are well-integrated & battle-tested. Even newbies have their onboarding difficulties, like when Bob wouldn't let go of his alcohol bag on the roof that one time early on with him.

I think they picked a good person to play Dawn because yeah, she looked older - her job in the zombie aftermath was stressful & pre-maturely aged her. I don't think that new lady cop will be in charge, I think the one tough-guy cop they traded is the most likely candidate.

I'm curious if they'll hang out at the hospital for a bit, or drop off some people like Eugene there. There seemed to be a bit more to the doctor than they revealed, and it felt like they kept hinting that there was more going on in the hospital than they initially let on, but they never really went anywhere with that - just kind of filler for the Beth episodes, I guess.

I still miss Beth

 

[himkhan]

There's also the whole making Rick and Sasha trust him and then completely effed them over.

So, is new lady cop in charge now?

P.S. Dawn was hot, but did not look her age (i.e. looked older).

Agreed. They made her look older with the makeup. I thought she looked smoking hot in the HBO series Hello Ladies.

 

[CZroe]

It sounded like you guys wanted to talk about it but no one is: Is anyone going to tell me if my DVR cut off something important? Tracker dude ("Morgan?") was reading Abraham's message written on the map when my recording ended.

FWIW, the guy seems to be doing something that was unrelated to Morgan I'm the comics. Not really a spoiler. I just don't think that's supposed to be him.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Maggie's sudden concern for Beth and her breakdown at the end was pretty interesting considering that I don't recall her even once expressing ANY concern over Beth being gone for the past several episodes. Poorly played by the writers and producers.

Maggie's character has been a complete and utter waste this season. I'd say kill her off next but we need the eye candy, so Rosita and Maggie need to stay. Gabriel is the next one who needs to die and fast.

 

[Wingznut]

It sounded like you guys wanted to talk about it but no one is: Is anyone going to tell me if my DVR cut off something important? Tracker dude ("Morgan?") was reading Abraham's message written on the map when my recording ended.

The show ended right there... When Morgan recognized Rick's name.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Maggie's sudden concern for Beth and her breakdown at the end was pretty interesting considering that I don't recall her even once expressing ANY concern over Beth being gone for the past several episodes. Poorly played by the writers and producers.

Maggie's character has been a complete and utter waste this season. I'd say kill her off next but we need the eye candy, so Rosita and Maggie need to stay. Gabriel is the next one who needs to die and fast.

Yes to all of this, but especially about how they handled Maggie/Beth. I mentioned it a few weeks ago in this thread. During season 2, we had carol angusihing for weeks over her daughter, and numerous other examples of almost overkill, but then we dont get a single reaction from Maggie until the last episode? After she was flat out abducted? Shouldn't she and Darryl have had a sit down convo at some point?

My wife cried when Beth died on the show. I got a little misty eyed watching Emily Kinney on TD. She was really emotional, and seems like a genuinely sweet person.

 

[Wingznut]

Maggie's sudden concern for Beth and her breakdown at the end was pretty interesting considering that I don't recall her even once expressing ANY concern over Beth being gone for the past several episodes. Poorly played by the writers and producers.

Yes to all of this, but especially about how they handled Maggie/Beth. I mentioned it a few weeks ago in this thread. During season 2, we had carol angusihing for weeks over her daughter, and numerous other examples of almost overkill, but then we dont get a single reaction from Maggie until the last episode? After she was flat out abducted? Shouldn't she and Darryl have had a sit down convo at some point?

Agreed... They really blew that.

That being said, they can redeem the storyline, depending on how Maggie agonizes over the event.

 

[SamQuint]

Agreed... They really blew that.

That being said, they can redeem the storyline, depending on how Maggie agonizes over the event.

I think this will be the major turning point for Daryl. He was the one that convinced Rick to do a peaceful trade instead of just killing them all in a raid to get Beth and Carol back. I am hoping this will wake up the others like Tyrese that nobody can ever be trusted and that you cannot show any signs of weakness to another group.

 

[SamQuint]

Also I think we as fans have Beth's blood on our hands. So many people on this and other threads have been saying things are too predictable and that none of the main characters die. I think the writers had to kill off someone important or else they would lose credibility with the hard core fans.