The Walking Dead Season 5 - Official discussion thread

[lozina]

Also I think we as fans have Beth's blood on our hands. So many people on this and other threads have been saying things are too predictable and that none of the main characters die. I think the writers had to kill off someone important or else they would lose credibility with the hard core fans.

I dont know, a lot of us have been expecting Beth to die for a while now. She's one of those useless characters not really a main core character as you seem to be alluding to.

If they killed Darryl or Rick, now that would be surprising. That ain't gonna happen though.

I've been hoping Carl would get knocked off for a long time but lately since his role has been much more subdued this season I haven't cared about him. And they can't really kill him because then they have to end up basically destroying Rick's character with grief again for a season or two and that's no fun.

 

[Ferzerp]

And they can't really kill him because then they have to end up basically destroying Rick's character with grief again for a season or two and that's no fun.

Considering it has only been 18 months since all the stuff began (I think?). Rick's reaction to Lori dying was the only slightly realistic reaction anyone on the show has had to death. Usually, by the next show, everyone is functional again. Most recently when Bob died, other than mentioning it a time or two, everyone was fine after the church slaughter.

Realistically, people wouldn't get over it that fast. Unless of course the premise is that the people who are still alive are the people who can do so. Except Rick, since he flipped out for multiple episodes when his wife died (which really appeared to be a rather short grieving period as well). I recognize that real reactions would make the show suck though. Everyone would just be depressed all the time and end up dead.

 

[CZroe]

I think Maggie's reaction was overplayed particularly because people noticed her non-reaction to Beth's abduction and complained.

 

[Leyawiin]

I figured it'd be Beth. I was hoping if a main character had to die it would be Tyreese. Getting so tired of that big baby. I kind of liked Beth from the Daryl and Beth on the road episode last season to now. She was getting more interesting as a character. I found her more interesting than Maggie.

 

[wetech]

anyone else think that Beth getting shot was not intentional? It looked to me that Dawn basically jerked when she got stabbed, and had her finger on the trigger. The look on her face afterwards to me was more of a "oh shit, what just happened?" expression.

 

[lozina]

anyone else think that Beth getting shot was not intentional? It looked to me that Dawn basically jerked when she got stabbed, and had her finger on the trigger. The look on her face afterwards to me was more of a "oh shit, what just happened?" expression.

Yeah it definitely looked that way to me. I thought Dawn just had this instinctual, knee jerk reaction to being attacked but immediately regretted it. It looked to me she was mouthing "I didn't mean to..." before Darryl got her.

P.S. Darryl seemed to be showing off his weapons range this episode. Instead of just crossbow he was sporting that handgun at the hospital plus the hunting rifle with the scope.

 

[Wuzup101]

Yeah it definitely looked that way to me. I thought Dawn just had this instinctual, knee jerk reaction to being attacked but immediately regretted it. It looked to me she was mouthing "I didn't mean to..." before Darryl got her.

P.S. Darryl seemed to be showing off his weapons range this episode. Instead of just crossbow he was sporting that handgun at the hospital plus the hunting rifle with the scope.

When did she even draw her gun? I also thought the shooting looked accidental (but I liked Beth and wanted Dawn dead anyway). That being said, I thought her gun was holstered in the period immediately prior to being stabbed. I'll have to watch the episode again.

 

[manimal]

I thought Dawn was a redeemable character right up to the point she went full retard mind games on Beth when she was in the shaft.


Was a shame they had to go that way. Dawn was in the spiral towards madness and was too ocd to survive the mess of the apololispe. Basically her main driving focus was making sure she had minions to keep shit clean so she cold ride her exercise bike. Hell at least try to connect the exercise bike to a battery or something sheesh



They should look at this as a big positive for the group going forward. If they stay roaming the ATL wasteland they have a hospital they can hit up if somoene goes south. I would wager trading food /weapons for service will eventually be the norm there unless that mean big guy goes heart of darkness on everyone.

I still dont understand why they want to roam. They have enough knowledge to survive and it seems like the city is mostly cleaned out with few huge mega hordes. So many vehivles got stranded that there is always gonna be transportation there and so many buildings where they can clear and barricade for safety. Hell pick the best most expesnive building in the city I would bet they have a SUPER secure acess and easily defensible doors. They have enough knowledge of walker behavior to make a great moveable camp. They need to go A team on the fire truck and use it as a water vehicle like mad max.


So how often do the cops there rape? It seemed to me they had a problem with that didnt they?

 

[Printer Bandit]

beth should have pushed dawn into the elevator shaft.


silly girl.

 

[Remobz]

anyone else think that Beth getting shot was not intentional? It looked to me that Dawn basically jerked when she got stabbed, and had her finger on the trigger. The look on her face afterwards to me was more of a "oh shit, what just happened?" expression.

She will be back as another character. Either that or somehow they can repair her head injury

 

[Kaido]

It sounded like you guys wanted to talk about it but no one is: Is anyone going to tell me if my DVR cut off something important? Tracker dude ("Morgan?") was reading Abraham's message written on the map when my recording ended.

Yeah, that was it. He just see's Rick's name on the map, so now he has a direction in his journey.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

When did she even draw her gun? I also thought the shooting looked accidental (but I liked Beth and wanted Dawn dead anyway). That being said, I thought her gun was holstered in the period immediately prior to being stabbed. I'll have to watch the episode again.

I thought I whole Beth murder attempt was sort of out of place. After the whole escape attempt and keeping Carol alive, the scissors in the shoulder was really not well planned.

 

[CZroe]

The show ended right there... When Morgan recognized Rick's name.

Yeah, that was it. He just see's Rick's name on the map, so now he has a direction in his journey.

Thanks. Now, are we sure that's Morgan?

 

[PokerGuy]

Thanks. Now, are we sure that's Morgan?

Yep, definitely Morgan.

I didn't get a good enough look at the map / message, other than it was written by Rick. Was it from Rick meant for Abraham, or was it written by Rick and left for Morgan?

Doesn't the map show a route to DC?

 

[manimal]

that was the map abraham made for rick for them to follow after they got the rest of the people.

 

[CZroe]

Yep, definitely Morgan.

I didn't get a good enough look at the map / message, other than it was written by Rick. Was it from Rick meant for Abraham, or was it written by Rick and left for Morgan?

Doesn't the map show a route to DC?

They showed his apology on the map at the end of a previous episode. Abraham and Rick had a conflict of interests over DC trip vs. Rick's stragglers and that was Abraham's olive branch to Rick.

 

[Kaido]

I thought I whole Beth murder attempt was sort of out of place. After the whole escape attempt and keeping Carol alive, the scissors in the shoulder was really not well planned.

I think it was meant to finish her character's growth arc - she went from a girl who tried to kill herself to someone who stood up for herself & her friends - by helping Noah escape, by helping Dawn fend off the bad cop, and finally, over-confidently, stabbing Dawn to help free Noah again.

All signs pointed to Carol, but I like Carol a lot more than Beth & Carol's character still has a lot of unresolved issues. Like with Bob, he found a group, found Sasha, and found happiness again. But with Carol, that book on childhood abuse dropped out of her bag before she got hit & taken to the hospital, so she obviously still has some stuff to overcome. Plus, she's a super-central character to the show, back when her husband was beating her & when she lost her daughter. Man, that episode where her daughter came out of the barn as a zombie really got me

 

[Kaido]

Doesn't the map show a route to DC?

Yeah, and since Morgan is one of the original characters, my guess is that the group will intersect through DC again at some point, possibly when taking Noah back to his group.

It'd be cool if they did some composite stuff with Rick's group hanging out at the White House & stuff :biggrin:

 

[mistercrabby]

Good episode. Went down about the way i thought. I thought Dawn would buy it, whether by her people or doing something stupid by Rick. I thought Beth stabbing Dawn in the shoulder and getting capped was stupid.

I really like the "homey don't play dat" Rick, whacking that dumb fakey cop that that thought he could outrun a police car.

I started watching "Talking Dead" a couple of weeks ago and enjoy it.

Now gotta wait until February!

 

[Childs]

I liked Beth, and it was a dumb way for her to die. One thing that was kinda surprising was Daryl and Rick's restraint. You would think with all those guns in a hallway and someone shoots, it would kick off a John Woo style shoot out with half the people dying. Once Daryl shot Dawn its on, and the new Rick wouldn't have hesitated in shooting the other cops before they could react. It could have also cleared out some of the dead weight characters, specifically Tyreese. I liked him when he first showed up, but now they made him not only annoying, but his reluctance to do what needs to be done is putting the group in danger. He will probably eventually get Sasha killed. They could have made it so that his pacifist plan resulted in Sasha dying in the hallway.

Anyways, its good to see Morgan again.

 

[Imp]

When did she even draw her gun? I also thought the shooting looked accidental (but I liked Beth and wanted Dawn dead anyway). That being said, I thought her gun was holstered in the period immediately prior to being stabbed. I'll have to watch the episode again.

Ya, I don't know how she drew so fast. I don't remember anyone even drawing their gun after Dawn made the request for Noah. She had her hand on her holster.

I liked Beth, and it was a dumb way for her to die. One thing that was kinda surprising was Daryl and Rick's restraint. You would think with all those guns in a hallway and someone shoots, it would kick off a John Woo style shoot out with half the people dying. Once Daryl shot Dawn its on, and the new Rick wouldn't have hesitated in shooting the other cops before they could react. It could have also cleared out some of the dead weight characters, specifically Tyreese. I liked him when he first showed up, but now they made him not only annoying, but his reluctance to do what needs to be done is putting the group in danger. He will probably eventually get Sasha killed. They could have made it so that his pacifist plan resulted in Sasha dying in the hallway.

Anyways, its good to see Morgan again.

I think it was explained to the group by Noah and the other cops that Dawn was pretty much on her own. And Dawn walked all the way out from her group to ask for Noah. All the other cops probably were as WTF as Rick and co., and the two captured cops kept their side of the "bargain" by lying about the third cop Rick put down.

 

[Remobz]

I wish Morgan would come back. Last time we saw him didn't he sort of go off the deep end though?

 

[Kaido]

I liked Beth, and it was a dumb way for her to die. One thing that was kinda surprising was Daryl and Rick's restraint. You would think with all those guns in a hallway and someone shoots, it would kick off a John Woo style shoot out with half the people dying. Once Daryl shot Dawn its on, and the new Rick wouldn't have hesitated in shooting the other cops before they could react. It could have also cleared out some of the dead weight characters, specifically Tyreese. I liked him when he first showed up, but now they made him not only annoying, but his reluctance to do what needs to be done is putting the group in danger. He will probably eventually get Sasha killed. They could have made it so that his pacifist plan resulted in Sasha dying in the hallway.

Anyways, its good to see Morgan again.

Yeah, I think they could have killed off Sasha & Tara as well, and left Eugene & the priest at the hospital when they left. Then they'd be back to a core useful (and interesting) group.

I miss old Glen. He's battle-damaged & boring now.

 

[Kaido]

I wish Morgan would come back. Last time we saw him didn't he sort of go off the deep end though?

Yeah, he went bananas after his son died. But Rick went through his own bonkers period too. Everyone kind of has to come to terms with the new reality at some point! :biggrin:

 

[Childs]

I think it was explained to the group by Noah and the other cops that Dawn was pretty much on her own. And Dawn walked all the way out from her group to ask for Noah. All the other cops probably were as WTF as Rick and co., and the two captured cops kept their side of the "bargain" by lying about the third cop Rick put down.

Yeah, but once Beth was shot I would think rage would take over and the deal forgotten about. In fact, the deal was off when Dawn changed the terms by demanding Noah. I will say that it looked like the other cops didn't want any. The only one I'd worry about was the big bald one, but I think he was still cuffed. I wonder if there are any bad cops left. The rapists seemed to have all died. I dunno, in my mind those cops were rapists and slavers, and if anyone of them even looked like they might have a double crossing thought I'd start shooting! Especially if they kill one of your group. In this show, when you let people live they always come back later. Like the Merle, Gov and Terminus gang.

I guess that would be a major criticism I have of the show. All the major plots seem to be recycled each season. I don't know what they can do about it though...Walking Dead has no end game.