The Walking Dead Season 5 - Official discussion thread

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MarkXIX

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I can't believe you guys are even discussing who Rick shot. It was Pete, it was the end of the story arc where the town finally realizes Rick was right. It's the defining moment of the season. It's the god damned finale.

Shooting Deanna's husband make 0 fucking sense in the context of the scene/characters/story.

FFS.

C'mon! He shot the zombie engineer so that he couldn't groan out the instructions to the other zombies to help them dismantle or defeat that marvel of wall engineering he's got going on.
 
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ghost recon88

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Another scene I watched again: Glenn's zombie pile.

I just cannot see how he got himself out of that. Perhaps he did with a little deus ex machina to come to the assistance once we are led away from his predicament. However, I expect he got bit, he knows it, but now he is catching up to Nick at first intent to get revenge for his fate. He can't go to that extreme, that's not him, but now he wants to take him back, and he can explain what has happened.

Just a theory. Perhaps he escaped unscathed, but I think he wants to use his fate as further proof of the evils of the selfish and help get the town on the right track.

Sure hope he didn't get bit, original characters are getting hard to come by on this show. Rick, Carol, Corral, Daryl, and Glenn is it.
 

Scarpozzi

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Sure hope he didn't get bit, original characters are getting hard to come by on this show. Rick, Carol, Corral, Daryl, and Glenn is it.

They're making Glenn out to be a badass. I'm starting to think he's more North Korean than South Korean the way he's flexing his combat skills.
 

destrekor

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I can't believe you guys are even discussing who Rick shot. It was Pete, it was the end of the story arc where the town finally realizes Rick was right. It's the defining moment of the season. It's the god damned finale.

Shooting Deanna's husband make 0 fucking sense in the context of the scene/characters/story.

FFS.

True. I never once saw it as shooting Reg. As you said, in the context of that moment, it made zero sense.

I felt it was good to describe exactly how it was actually not at all left vague, the way it actually was shot was definitive in its action, the exact opposite of ambiguous.


Sure hope he didn't get bit, original characters are getting hard to come by on this show. Rick, Carol, Corral, Daryl, and Glenn is it.

Truth. I am rooting for their to be some fiction magic that saved Glenn, but dammit, it seems so unlikely.

If he must have closure as a character, I think his moment of NOT shooting Nick, but instead to take him back into town, even after Glenn was bit, is a fitting gesture of Glenn's character.
 

ghost recon88

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True. I never once saw it as shooting Reg. As you said, in the context of that moment, it made zero sense.

I felt it was good to describe exactly how it was actually not at all left vague, the way it actually was shot was definitive in its action, the exact opposite of ambiguous.




Truth. I am rooting for their to be some fiction magic that saved Glenn, but dammit, it seems so unlikely.

If he must have closure as a character, I think his moment of NOT shooting Nick, but instead to take him back into town, even after Glenn was bit, is a fitting gesture of Glenn's character.

When he hops out from behind the tree and jumps Nick, is there any bite marks or blood on his pants or torso? I wasn't specifically paying attention to that during that scene.
 

Childs

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I can't believe you guys are even discussing who Rick shot. It was Pete, it was the end of the story arc where the town finally realizes Rick was right. It's the defining moment of the season. It's the god damned finale.

Shooting Deanna's husband make 0 fucking sense in the context of the scene/characters/story.

FFS.

I think the people who thought it was Reg probably don't believe Rick would have shot Pete like that, and he was doing something merciful instead. I dunno, its the apocalypse...I would have shot him when I found out he was married to the hot chick. Finding out afterwards he was a wife beater would have been icing on the cake, but I wouldnt have lost any sleep over it if he was a saint. Sexy ghost maids are hard to come by.
 

destrekor

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When he hops out from behind the tree and jumps Nick, is there any bite marks or blood on his pants or torso? I wasn't specifically paying attention to that during that scene.

None that I could see, but that could easily be concealed or otherwise not shown because they intended to hide it for that scene.
 

dank69

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What do you mean?
Well, that is a quote from Ocean's 13. I'm applying it here because they already did the gag with Bob being bitten and keeping it secret from the audience. They shouldn't do the same gag a second time with Glenn.
 

SamQuint

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True. I never once saw it as shooting Reg. As you said, in the context of that moment, it made zero sense.

I felt it was good to describe exactly how it was actually not at all left vague, the way it actually was shot was definitive in its action, the exact opposite of ambiguous.



I was at first thinking that he could have shot Reg or Pete and they purposely left you guessing. However I had a chance to re-watch the ending.

When Abraham takes down Pete he actually puts his hand on the top of Pete's head and presses Pete's head into the ground. This is why I kind of thought it would have been hard for Rick to shoot Pete in the head. Also since Abraham was right on top of Pete I thought he would not have shot unless Abraham moved which they did not show.

Also I thought he could have shot Reg since Reg did die in Deanna's arms. If you watch the scene he dies, so Deanna asking Rick to kill Reg before he turns into a zombie would be the right thing to do and totally appropriate in that situation.

However when you watch the end you see Rick looking straight at Deanna, right in her eyes. Reg is right there, her and Deanna are almost face to face. When Deanna says "Do it" Rick totally turns his body away from Deanna and points his gun in the other direction. He had to have shot Pete.

That is why I was joking earlier that I kind of wonder if Deanna meant kill Reg before he turns into a zombie or if "Do it" actually meant kill Pete. Maybe Deanna wants the best of both worlds. Maybe she knew Pete had to go so she wanted Rick to kill him. She now can actually claim Rick killed Pete on his own and not by her order. She can just claim that she wanted Rick to shoot Reg before he turned to a zombie. That way the people still can trust her as being the good one and that Rick is evil and cannot be trusted and should not take over as the leader.
 

destrekor

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Well, that is a quote from Ocean's 13. I'm applying it here because they already did the gag with Bob being bitten and keeping it secret from the audience. They shouldn't do the same gag a second time with Glenn.

Well, Bob's was a complete surprise in the end. With Glenn, it would be expected based on his predicament.
 

Clemenza

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There have been exceptional cases where people have been shot in the front of the head, lost like 1/3rd of their brains AND lived! There was guy that had like 1/3 of his skull blown off by a .357 and recovered, albeit not "fully".

I know a guy that shot himself in the mouth and survived. The bullet lodged in the roof of his mouth. He lost a lot of teeth but is still alive.
 

dank69

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True. I never once saw it as shooting Reg. As you said, in the context of that moment, it made zero sense.

I felt it was good to describe exactly how it was actually not at all left vague, the way it actually was shot was definitive in its action, the exact opposite of ambiguous.



I was at first thinking that he could have shot Reg or Pete and they purposely left you guessing. However I had a chance to re-watch the ending.

When Abraham takes down Pete he actually puts his hand on the top of Pete's head and presses Pete's head into the ground. This is why I kind of thought it would have been hard for Rick to shoot Pete in the head. Also since Abraham was right on top of Pete I thought he would not have shot unless Abraham moved which they did not show.

Also I thought he could have shot Reg since Reg did die in Deanna's arms. If you watch the scene he dies, so Deanna asking Rick to kill Reg before he turns into a zombie would be the right thing to do and totally appropriate in that situation.

However when you watch the end you see Rick looking straight at Deanna, right in her eyes. Reg is right there, her and Deanna are almost face to face. When Deanna says "Do it" Rick totally turns his body away from Deanna and points his gun in the other direction. He had to have shot Pete.

That is why I was joking earlier that I kind of wonder if Deanna meant kill Reg before he turns into a zombie or if "Do it" actually meant kill Pete. Maybe Deanna wants the best of both worlds. Maybe she knew Pete had to go so she wanted Rick to kill him. She now can actually claim Rick killed Pete on his own and not by her order. She can just claim that she wanted Rick to shoot Reg before he turned to a zombie. That way the people still can trust her as being the good one and that Rick is evil and cannot be trusted and should not take over as the leader.
I don't think Deanna even knows that everyone turns whether bitten or not.
 
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dank69

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Well, Bob's was a complete surprise in the end. With Glenn, it would be expected based on his predicament.
I knew Bob had been bitten the moment he surfaced. It was written all over his face. Regardless, I think this still qualifies as the same gag.
 

pontifex

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I'm glad I kept this episode on my DVR. I'm getting used to having a desire to re-watch scenes, thinking I missed a detail when y'all bring these things up.


Damn, that scene is dark on Plasma. But after carefully rewatching it a few times, it definitely looks like he pushed the gun up either through the area between the throat and chin, which is all soft tissue, mostly muscle. Especially with a rotting body, it would be fairly easy, with proper force, to shove a gun through that, beyond the oropharynx and nasopharynx, and right there is the base of the brain stem. [image]


it looked to me like the whole gun was in the zombies head, not just pressing into the fleshy area between throat and chin.
 

destrekor

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it looked to me like the whole gun was in the zombies head, not just pressing into the fleshy area between throat and chin.

I was saying he pressed it through that much weaker area, and not the jaw itself. These bodies are rotting, so muscle and other connective tissue is much easier to break through.
 

dank69

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I just assumed he put the gun inside because he didn't want to shoot and have everyone know he had another gun. He was either trying to kill the walker by destroying the brain that way or was counting on the sound being muffled when he pulled the trigger inside the head.
 

jlee

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That is why I was joking earlier that I kind of wonder if Deanna meant kill Reg before he turns into a zombie or if "Do it" actually meant kill Pete. Maybe Deanna wants the best of both worlds. Maybe she knew Pete had to go so she wanted Rick to kill him. She now can actually claim Rick killed Pete on his own and not by her order. She can just claim that she wanted Rick to shoot Reg before he turned to a zombie. That way the people still can trust her as being the good one and that Rick is evil and cannot be trusted and should not take over as the leader.

I don't get that impression - I think Deanna is finally catching up to reality.
 

Phoenix86

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I think the people who thought it was Reg probably don't believe Rick would have shot Pete like that, and he was doing something merciful instead. I dunno, its the apocalypse...I would have shot him when I found out he was married to the hot chick. Finding out afterwards he was a wife beater would have been icing on the cake, but I wouldnt have lost any sleep over it if he was a saint. Sexy ghost maids are hard to come by.

To which I'd have to ask: have they been watching the same show? Rick shows up meeting with one of the two pieces of his argument (which he's been preaching since they showed up, for ~6 episodes). Walkers he killed inside the safe area.

The second piece, bad people, shows up in the form of Pete and slices Reg's throat. There isn't a better "example" for Deanna, if she was doubtful before she's completely sold now.
 

Phoenix86

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I just assumed he put the gun inside because he didn't want to shoot and have everyone know he had another gun. He was either trying to kill the walker by destroying the brain that way or was counting on the sound being muffled when he pulled the trigger inside the head.

Yep, I assumed he was trying to hide the fact he had another gun. Brain silencer.
 

KeithTalent

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I just assumed he put the gun inside because he didn't want to shoot and have everyone know he had another gun. He was either trying to kill the walker by destroying the brain that way or was counting on the sound being muffled when he pulled the trigger inside the head.

Yep, this is what I thought as well.

KT
 

ctbaars

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Why the muffling? Doesn't make sense. You're reading way too much into this. It was all TV theatrics; seeing the eyes and brains pop out. He didn't pull the trigger. Then a moment later Deanna clearly knows Rick has a gun.

I'm much more puzzled with the Glenn story line. Can't tell if it's bad writing/continuity or actual plot development.
 

pontifex

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Why the muffling? Doesn't make sense. You're reading way too much into this. It was all TV theatrics; seeing the eyes and brains pop out. He didn't pull the trigger. Then a moment later Deanna clearly knows Rick has a gun.

I'm much more puzzled with the Glenn story line. Can't tell if it's bad writing/continuity or actual plot development.

they didn't just pop out, they exploded out.
 
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