The Walking Dead Season 5 - Official discussion thread

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kinev

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Why the muffling? Doesn't make sense. You're reading way too much into this. It was all TV theatrics; seeing the eyes and brains pop out. He didn't pull the trigger. Then a moment later Deanna clearly knows Rick has a gun.

I'm much more puzzled with the Glenn story line. Can't tell if it's bad writing/continuity or actual plot development.

Why push the gun up into the zombie's head and then shoot? It was a gun Rick wasn't "supposed" to have and he could have pulled the trigger sooner and had a cleaner kill. Granted, I do think the reason they filmed it was for the "cool" factor (see Daryl's asinine chain kill), but the reason Rick the character did it was to muffle the sound of a shot.
 

Childs

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To which I'd have to ask: have they been watching the same show? Rick shows up meeting with one of the two pieces of his argument (which he's been preaching since they showed up, for ~6 episodes). Walkers he killed inside the safe area.

The second piece, bad people, shows up in the form of Pete and slices Reg's throat. There isn't a better "example" for Deanna, if she was doubtful before she's completely sold now.

Well, since she looks like Janeway, I think she will act like her and get all self righteous next season and say it was a mistake, they are above that, yada yada, until the next time its convenient for her to change the rules. Probably when the Wolves start killing her people, but after she tries to reason with them.
 

TwiceOver

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Dec 20, 2002
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Just when the story finally starts going somewhere, time for another 8 month break. At least Rick shaved so I have to stop saying nothing ever happens in this show.
 

motsm

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Am I the only person that is beginning to dislike TV serials? Far too many become successful, yet don't have the artistic integrity to go out on top, so everything just gets stretched into tedium. I feel even many good serials often outstay their welcome for me, and could stand to be a season or two shorter.

Just re watched John Adams, which really drove home those feelings, as it shows how much can be accomplished with 7 pre-planned episodes, with the creative team knowing that's all they get to tell the story. Side note: Tom Hooper needs to shove his dutch angle, shaky cam, close ups, right into his ass hole.
 

Kaido

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Feb 14, 2004
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Am I the only person that is beginning to dislike TV serials? Far too many become successful, yet don't have the artistic integrity to go out on top, so everything just gets stretched into tedium. I feel even many good serials often outstay their welcome for me, and could stand to be a season or two shorter.

Just re watched John Adams, which really drove home those feelings, as it shows how much can be accomplished with 7 pre-planned episodes, with the creative team knowing that's all they get to tell the story. Side note: Tom Hooper needs to shove his dutch angle, shaky cam, close ups, right into his ass hole.

Same way with Harper's Island - one season, 13 episodes, mint. Enjoyed it from beginning to end. I'd say the only long-running TV show I really felt that way about was Breaking Bad - pretty much every episode moved the story along (minus the Fly episode, which I actually didn't mind haha). Every season was good & it ended satisfactory.

OTOH, my dad finally started watching Lost, just finished season 4 (despite me telling him it "ended" at the end of season 2 ). I told him not to get too invested in getting answers or closure. For me, the last few seasons were pretty stretched & the ending made it so I never wanted to re-watch the series.

What's funny too is how many bad movie sequels exist, sequels that are essentially just cash-grabs. You'd think that since they're not under the gun of a TV production schedule, they'd really have time to pump out a quality follow-on movie, but very few actually do it well (i.e. Terminator - yes, BTTF - no).
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Am I the only person that is beginning to dislike TV serials? Far too many become successful, yet don't have the artistic integrity to go out on top, so everything just gets stretched into tedium. I feel even many good serials often outstay their welcome for me, and could stand to be a season or two shorter.

Just re watched John Adams, which really drove home those feelings, as it shows how much can be accomplished with 7 pre-planned episodes, with the creative team knowing that's all they get to tell the story. Side note: Tom Hooper needs to shove his dutch angle, shaky cam, close ups, right into his ass hole.

Heh, I'm one of those who doesn't like to see a really good story end, so long as it stays a really good story.

AMC isn't really known for stretching beyond limits. TWD is lasting as long as it is (and has the "filler" it has) because the story it draws from isn't finished. I don't know if AMC will keep that up forever, perhaps they might get annoyed with a lack of conclusion and make their own.

HBO will finalize Game of Thrones, which has been following a story that has a determined finish (yet to be completed and published, but it has a set finish).

I do love short series for stories that are entirely conclusive from start to finish. The past HBO miniseries fit that perfectly, like Band of Brothers and John Adams. History Channel's Sons of Liberty (though grossly inaccurate, I found it enjoyable), etc.

AMC wrapped up Breaking Bad in a very satisfying way, and it didn't seem to have been stretched beyond reason. I never watched Mad Men or Hell on Wheels, but those are wrapping up too. I enjoyed Turn, and though it probably barely got the OK for a second season, if it gets enough viewers, I still don't think they'll carry that show for more than a few seasons, it is very much destined to have a conclusive finish.
 

Fingolfin269

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Who did Rick shoot?

Either way makes sense. Kill the killer or kill the dead/dying before he comes back as a zombie and potentially kills someone else. If you do the former you prove your point but no longer have a doctor. If you do the latter you still prove your point but keep the doc alive as a tool for future use.

I really think it could go either way and proximity of others doesn't even factor into the equation. After all, a lot of these guys can snipe head shots from a mile away with a sling.
 

destrekor

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Who did Rick shoot?

Either way makes sense. Kill the killer or kill the dead/dying before he comes back as a zombie and potentially kills someone else. If you do the former you prove your point but no longer have a doctor. If you do the latter you still prove your point but keep the doc alive as a tool for future use.

I really think it could go either way and proximity of others doesn't even factor into the equation. After all, a lot of these guys can snipe head shots from a mile away with a sling.

It can't go either way. Watch the clip again and pay attention to how Rick faces Deanna at first (who is cradling Reg's head), and then he turns away from her to fire away from her.

He shot Pete. No ifs ands or buts.
 

Fingolfin269

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It can't go either way. Watch the clip again and pay attention to how Rick faces Deanna at first (who is cradling Reg's head), and then he turns away from her to fire away from her.

He shot Pete. No ifs ands or buts.

Deleted the episode already. But even so I figure they can do what they want at this point based on not showing us specifically what happened. After all, these guys are such good shots that Rick could have ricocheted a bullet from Morgan's stick back into whoever he wanted to shoot.

Morgan's response to this amazing feat?

"Rick??"
 

Childs

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OTOH, my dad finally started watching Lost, just finished season 4 (despite me telling him it "ended" at the end of season 2 ). I told him not to get too invested in getting answers or closure. For me, the last few seasons were pretty stretched & the ending made it so I never wanted to re-watch the series.

Lost was still interesting, even when it became clear the show was kinda random. I rewatched it last year, and the ending didn't bother me as much as it did when it aired. In fact, a lot of things that bothered me about it when it was airing didn't seem so bad the second time around. It holds up well, probably because it was never clear until mid way when it actually took place, and there were flashbacks and time travel.

I doubt I'll watch Walking Dead again when its done, although watching one after another is probably the best way to watch this. But then maybe that might be repetitive since the show kinda of runs in circles. I have a similar feeling as motsm...the show is probably going to overstay its welcome.
 

Fingolfin269

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What made Lost so great was that it was more than just a show. It was the first 'event' I can remember that basically became a weekly conversation to the level we had in Lost. Deep analysis done by internet sleuths, forum discussion, water cooler discussion, etc.

Not sure if anyone will ever be able to replicate to that level or not.
 

destrekor

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What made Lost so great was that it was more than just a show. It was the first 'event' I can remember that basically became a weekly conversation to the level we had in Lost. Deep analysis done by internet sleuths, forum discussion, water cooler discussion, etc.

Not sure if anyone will ever be able to replicate to that level or not.

I did a paper on that aspect of Lost for this one writing class in college.
 

Childs

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A big part of it was when the age in which it aired. If the internet have been as widely used in the 90s, and social media been more than IRC and newsgroups, the X-Files would have had a similar event like feeling. I remember people talking about last nights episode, but well, the talk stayed at the preverbal water cooler.
 

Kaido

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What made Lost so great was that it was more than just a show. It was the first 'event' I can remember that basically became a weekly conversation to the level we had in Lost. Deep analysis done by internet sleuths, forum discussion, water cooler discussion, etc.

Not sure if anyone will ever be able to replicate to that level or not.

Yeah I actually really miss that. TWD isn't universally watched due to the gore factor - a lot of people don't realize there's a really great show underneath the blood & violence. But Lost, everyone from the boss to the secretary was watching that stuff. We were all googling the clues at our lunch breaks & reading up o the lastest theories, it was great :thumbsup:
 

pontifex

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Lost was still interesting, even when it became clear the show was kinda random. I rewatched it last year, and the ending didn't bother me as much as it did when it aired. In fact, a lot of things that bothered me about it when it was airing didn't seem so bad the second time around. It holds up well, probably because it was never clear until mid way when it actually took place, and there were flashbacks and time travel.

I doubt I'll watch Walking Dead again when its done, although watching one after another is probably the best way to watch this. But then maybe that might be repetitive since the show kinda of runs in circles. I have a similar feeling as motsm...the show is probably going to overstay its welcome.

well yeah, because you know what happened already...
 

Childs

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well yeah, because you know what happened already...

Actually, I forgot a lot about what happened aside from some really big moments. It wasn't like Star Trek TOS where I remember all the details about every episode. The only thing I remember was not liking Kate. But as I watched I started to remember what annoyed me about certain things, but it didn't matter. Probably because I didn't have time to stew on any one plot point, just move on to the next episode.

Even the Nikki and Paulo thing which I remember received universal hate, I actually enjoyed. Probably because I've grown to like that actress.
 

Legios

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Even as ruthless as Ricks group seems to be, the finale had 3 different arcs that all had them being somewhat more civilized than the townsfolk.

Glenn getting shot and beaten by coward dude. Then turning the tables on him and then not killing him. Sasha for nearly losing it on Gabriel. Rick for letting the townsfolk see what they were up against if you try to make bad people just leave.

Carol was the puppet master of that scene though. Dance Puppets Dance.
 

Remobz

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Yeah I actually really miss that. TWD isn't universally watched due to the gore factor - a lot of people don't realize there's a really great show underneath the blood & violence. But Lost, everyone from the boss to the secretary was watching that stuff. We were all googling the clues at our lunch breaks & reading up o the lastest theories, it was great :thumbsup:

I guess I am in the minority here. Lost got too weird for me after first season. Didn't bother to watch it after. Still have no desire to do so.
 

ImpulsE69

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Even as ruthless as Ricks group seems to be, the finale had 3 different arcs that all had them being somewhat more civilized than the townsfolk.

Glenn getting shot and beaten by coward dude. Then turning the tables on him and then not killing him. Sasha for nearly losing it on Gabriel. Rick for letting the townsfolk see what they were up against if you try to make bad people just leave.

Carol was the puppet master of that scene though. Dance Puppets Dance.

I love the new Carol.
 

destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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Actually, I forgot a lot about what happened aside from some really big moments. It wasn't like Star Trek TOS where I remember all the details about every episode. The only thing I remember was not liking Kate. But as I watched I started to remember what annoyed me about certain things, but it didn't matter. Probably because I didn't have time to stew on any one plot point, just move on to the next episode.

Even the Nikki and Paulo thing which I remember received universal hate, I actually enjoyed. Probably because I've grown to like that actress.

Man, I was in love with Kate from day one. That bad girl thing she had going on, plus her body and legs...

 

WackyDan

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Well, since she looks like Janeway, I think she will act like her and get all self righteous next season and say it was a mistake, they are above that, yada yada, until the next time its convenient for her to change the rules. Probably when the Wolves start killing her people, but after she tries to reason with them.

She will have to give more and more authority to Rick.

Think of the parallel with Deana or what ever her name is... Rick was once at that point too. Remember season II or III where he announced it was no longer a democracy with their group? Deana is a congress critter though, and if they want to be realistic about it, she will not give up power easily... But she really doesn't have much choice.
 
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