The Walking Dead - season 6 discussion thread

[Jeeebus]

For all my other gripes, the worst part of the episode was the title and the Savior guy asking Rick what he'd do if "today was his last day on Earth."

For the rest of the episode, I had some shitty Nickelback song in my head, constantly repeating "if today was your last day..."

Coincidentally, a shitty Nickelback song is probably the perfect theme for this train wreck of an episode.

 

[Childs]

What? No. Enid was with them before Rick's group and the Saviors clearly did not know where Rick and the Alexandria crew were from (and desperately wanted to know). She was not a Savior scout and would have had to turn more recently for that to be true.

The Saviors knew about Alexandria and even the gates, and when they killed the female doctor they told Daryl to essentially walk them up to the gates and let them in. The guys Carol ran into knew what kind of cars were at Alexandria. They seem to operate like a bunch of individual terrorist cells, so maybe one group of Saviors didnt know, but the guy with the burned face knew. So did the guys in the truck. Its more of a question of when Negan knew, and when he decided to do something about it. Maybe he was even setting this up for awhile, because the road block full of trees wasnt done overnight.

It could also be that she continued to go outside the walls after the Wolves encounter and was eventually caught. It seems like too much of a coincidence that she gave Maggie the pickles and then she got sick. And they knew where to set up the road blocks because they knew roughly where they were going on that day.

And theres also the fact that she was insistent on going with them to Hilltop. Maybe she wanted to make sure Carl wasnt killed because it was part of her bargain. Also kinda felt like Carl was off the table as far as who gets killed. But then you would think she would have a similar bond with Maggie, and it looked like Negan was going to kill her before Glenn's outburst. Anyways, it makes more sense that it was a setup vs the Saviors randomly setting up road blocks on every road within a 20 mile radius of Alexandria. If their numbers were that big you would think Aaron would have ran into them before, or Jesus would have said there wasnt enough people at the compound they hit.

It would be interesting to know if there is any relation between The Wolves and The Saviors. Its hard to imagine the two groups operating in the same area and not interacting. Maybe The Saviors expanded into the area relatively recently.

 

[Charmonium]

The wolves are batshit. They seem more like a death cult than a well organized group, although the 2 aren't mutually exclusive. The impression I got from every Wolf encounter was that they're mostly nomadic aren't afraid to die.

But if I'm wrong about that, it's hard to see how Negan would work out a deal with them if they don't have a fixed base of operation. There's no way he could verify that he's getting his cut. They might pay him a tribute of some kind though and as long as Negan is satisfied with what they bring him, he'll allow them to operate more or less autonomously.

 

[Childs]

The wolves are batshit. They seem more like a death cult than a well organized group, although the 2 aren't mutually exclusive. The impression I got from every Wolf encounter was that they're mostly nomadic aren't afraid to die.

But if I'm wrong about that, it's hard to see how Negan would work out a deal with them if they don't have a fixed base of operation. There's no way he could verify that he's getting his cut. They might pay him a tribute of some kind though and as long as Negan is satisfied with what they bring him, he'll allow them to operate more or less autonomously.

Yeah, which is why I wonder how they could have operated in the same area. I dont think The Wolves had any guns, and a direct confrontation would have ended quickly. But by their own set of rules The Saviors would have required they routinely get half their stuff. Maybe The Wolves were just out of The Saviors territory and they followed Rick's group into it.

And whats the deal with those dudes wearing football pads riding horses! How is it no one mentioned those guys before. It looked like they had Hilltop forged spears. I guess the Jesus mentioned there were more groups in the area, but details would have been nice. Rick was going to kill the one guy who was just trying to get away from zombies. I'm also surprised there isnt a group going around saying they are Saviors when they arent. Who's going to know the difference? In retrospect, this season should have been much more interesting.

 

[Q]

For all my other gripes, the worst part of the episode was the title and the Savior guy asking Rick what he'd do if "today was his last day on Earth."

For the rest of the episode, I had some shitty Nickelback song in my head, constantly repeating "if today was your last day..."

 

[rga]

It's possible but exceedingly unrealistic. The amount of resources and time would be massive, also they had to know they wouldn't turn around and head back to Alexandria. It almost hinges on the fact they knew about Maggie, and maybe they did, but then that's one more thing they should have explained this seasons.

I probably wouldn't care if they didn't do the cliffhanger honestly.

It's just bad writing.

Maybe someone in Rick's group has been working with Neegan for longer than we've suspected. That would make for better writing than what's being given credit for in this thread.

 

[woolfe9998]

I may be about the only person on this forum who still likes TWD. Anyway, I liked the episode except for the cheap cliffhanger at the end, but it's pretty much what I expected.

 

[chowderhead]

Yeah, which is why I wonder how they could have operated in the same area. I dont think The Wolves had any guns, and a direct confrontation would have ended quickly. But by their own set of rules The Saviors would have required they routinely get half their stuff. Maybe The Wolves were just out of The Saviors territory and they followed Rick's group into it.

And whats the deal with those dudes wearing football pads riding horses! How is it no one mentioned those guys before. It looked like they had Hilltop forged spears. I guess the Jesus mentioned there were more groups in the area, but details would have been nice. Rick was going to kill the one guy who was just trying to get away from zombies. I'm also surprised there isnt a group going around saying they are Saviors when they arent. Who's going to know the difference? In retrospect, this season should have been much more interesting.

Aaron and the other guy claimed they scouted 50 miles around Alexandria. I guess they missed the wolves, the saviors, the hilltop, the gravel pit full of walkers and now the Knights of the walking dead.

 

[Red Storm]

The cliffhanger ending was dumb. It kinda took me back to watching Lost and not in a good way. However, they absolutely nailed the feeling of hopelessness our group was feeling with each roadblock.

It will be interesting to see who was killed. I don't read the comics so I don't care when the show does or doesn't follow what happens in them. I personally think it's either Daryl or Glen.

 

[ControlD]

I may be about the only person on this forum who still likes TWD. Anyway, I liked the episode except for the cheap cliffhanger at the end, but it's pretty much what I expected.

I'm with you. It is amusing however to see how much time and thought people who hate this show put into it.

 

[destrekor]

I may be about the only person on this forum who still likes TWD. Anyway, I liked the episode except for the cheap cliffhanger at the end, but it's pretty much what I expected.

I'm with you. It is amusing however to see how much time and thought people who hate this show put into it.

I was perfectly content with the episode. I hated the cheap ending, but I don't care to analyze and nitpick every little detail. It's not real life. It's entertainment... based on a graphic novel/comic book series.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

I really hope Carl loses his other eye.

 

[Charmonium]

I was perfectly content with the episode. I hated the cheap ending, but I don't care to analyze and nitpick every little detail. It's not real life. It's entertainment... based on a graphic novel/comic book series.

You're right of course, but it IS the number one prime time drama right now so it's reasonable to question why the plot isn't much better than an A-team story from the 80's.

I don't think most of us would waste our time criticizing the show were it not for the millions of people who think that this is the second coming of television. I mean, you really need to watch the Talking Dead after-show to get some idea of just how much wide-eyed awe there is on the part of fans.

After a point, it becomes self-perpetuating. So you need to have pockets of people who are going to offer the necessary criticisms, just in order to maintain some sort of perspective.

 

[CZroe]

I was perfectly content with the episode. I hated the cheap ending, but I don't care to analyze and nitpick every little detail. It's not real life. It's entertainment... based on a graphic novel/comic book series.

The rest of the episode was the worst part. Don't give them a pass. It was contrived and stretched for no good reason (to sell ads) and nothing happens for the first hour, at least.

If viewers are content with that then they'll think they can get away with more of it. I'll blame you and woolfe9998 if I see much more of this.

 

[luv2liv]

why didnt Rick just jump at Negan when Negan was up close?
in real life, what is the best option when you know you are about to be executed?

 

[gorcorps]

why didnt Rick just jump at Negan when Negan was up close?
in real life, what is the best option when you know you are about to be executed?

That's the thing though, he made it clear he wasn't going to kill all of them so there was incentive to not give him a reason to bash their skull in. If you knew you were gonna die you'd do anything in desperation, but with hopes of being one of the ones who lives you're a lot less likely to do something stupid and heroic.

 

[Kaido]

why didnt Rick just jump at Negan when Negan was up close?
in real life, what is the best option when you know you are about to be executed?

For starters, like gorcorps said, Negan's MO is to kill one person as an example, and then take half the groups stuff as tax on a regular basis. He doesn't need to kill everyone...just one person & then show up with 100 bad guys to show his strength in numbers. Nobody else we've ever come across since the show began has had a group as large as Negan's.

Second, there's more involved. For starters, Rick has a baby girl back at HQ to think about. Plus, Negan isn't going to kill Rick, because if he kills the leader, then the group that he wants a 50% tax from now has no one to lead them. He doesn't want to setup infrastructure; he wants to run it like a franchise & just collect income, based on fear. He killed a 17-year-old boy back at Gregory's camp with the Hilltop people, so they know that he not only has strength in numbers, but he's willing to follow through & use it as needed to keep them in line.

So if it's your turn to get whacked, you can either stand up & take it or wuss out & still have to take it. Your friends can try to rescue you, but they'll end up dead as well because there's literally 50+ bad guys around you & you have no weapons, so it's a sacrifice. The writers set it up pretty well to not have any wiggle room out of the situation, and everyone else realized that they either have to sacrifice one of their own, or risk losing even more, because there were literally no other options at the time.

 

[ControlD]

The rest of the episode was the worst part. Don't give them a pass. It was contrived and stretched for no good reason (to sell ads) and nothing happens for the first hour, at least.

If viewers are content with that then they'll think they can get away with more of it. I'll blame you and woolfe9998 if I see much more of this.

As opposed to simply blaming yourself for continuing to watch it? In the end all AMC is going to care about is ratings. As long as people keep watching the show there is no reason to change. Criticizing may be fun and a good source for debate but it will change nothing.

(serious question) I wonder if people were bitching about the same shoddy plot lines and story telling when every new issue of the comic was released? I haven't read the comics but it seems like this same story line was developed there first wasn't it? Did Rick and his group keep running into road blocks in the comic or was this part completely added for the TV show?

 

[AdamK47]

My vote is Eugene for the one that Negan picked.

 

[SamQuint]

As opposed to simply blaming yourself for continuing to watch it? In the end all AMC is going to care about is ratings. As long as people keep watching the show there is no reason to change. Criticizing may be fun and a good source for debate but it will change nothing.

(serious question) I wonder if people were bitching about the same shoddy plot lines and story telling when every new issue of the comic was released? I haven't read the comics but it seems like this same story line was developed there first wasn't it? Did Rick and his group keep running into road blocks in the comic or was this part completely added for the TV show?

Roadblock thing was just added for the TV show.

They have already strayed quite a bit from the comics so who knows what might happen.

I will assume Rick, Daryl, Maggie, Sasha, Carl, Rosita, and Michonne are safe. That leaves Glen, Abraham, Aaron, and Eugene.

Spoiler

In the comic Eugene actually does begin manufacturing bullets and proves his usefulness. But since he gave Rick the information about how to make bullets he may be expendable now.

I really would hate it to be Aaron because I would think he would be a cheap way out. Aaron really isn't one of the main characters. He is more like a red shirt on Star Trek.

 

[Charmonium]

People are already abandoning the show. Ratings were down around 10% for season 6 and another 10% for season 7. After all of the bullshit they shoveled this season, don't be surprised if the drop from 7 to 8 is much more than 10%. You'll probably get a bump for the premier episode but after that it's going to continue to drop - most likely accelerate.

People know bad writing and a recycled plot when they see one. And the people who watch the show aren't, for the vast majority, interested in comics of any kind. That is a particular sort of audience with particular preferences and tastes. They are not representative of the viewing audience as a whole.

The cliff hanger we saw in the last episode is the best example of how much they are struggling. You only do shit like that when you don't have anything else left to draw in viewers. It's a cheap trick and everyone knows it's a cheap trick.

 

[pontifex]

People are already abandoning the show. Ratings were down around 10% for season 6 and another 10% for season 7. After all of the bullshit they shoveled this season, don't be surprised if the drop from 7 to 8 is much more than 10%. You'll probably get a bump for the premier episode but after that it's going to continue to drop - most likely accelerate.

People know bad writing and a recycled plot when they see one. And the people who watch the show aren't, for the vast majority, interested in comics of any kind. That is a particular sort of audience with particular preferences and tastes. They are not representative of the viewing audience as a whole.

The cliff hanger we saw in the last episode is the best example of how much they are struggling. You only do shit like that when you don't have anything else left to draw in viewers. It's a cheap trick and everyone knows it's a cheap trick.

Do you watch any other tv shows? Pretty much all of them leave a cliffhanger at the season finale.

 

[ctbaars]

Has anyone considered that "Jesus" is the traitor? The other communities might actually be okay with the status quo and they decided to actually throw Rick et al to the wolves ... er .. Saviors in a sadistic way.

 

[ControlD]

Roadblock thing was just added for the TV show.


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Cool, thanks!

 

[Charmonium]

Do you watch any other tv shows? Pretty much all of them leave a cliffhanger at the season finale.

No they don't. At least not the ones I watch. Even a low budget show like Z Nation doesn't do that. If you mean do they leave open questions, sure. And I guess you can consider those cliff hangers of a sort.

But this was completely gratuitous. It's not like you have a situation where they're obviously starting another plot line. That's fine. Here, you know who dies but you just decide not to show it. The only reason you do something like that is because you're desperate.