Pretty sure they ran out of ammo: one for the group of bikers, one or two to light the pond on fire.
Which is also why everyone getting out of the r/v and walking up to them was completely idiotic/out of character and only served to force some inane dialogue on us. Why the hell would you get out of the r/v when a group of guys with guns (who you know is the enemy) is standing there and you have no idea what could be in the woods?
It was completely anti-Rick who they have shown blows people away without blinking. O hey... bad guys. Let's all get out and go talk to them. Hmm talking was boring... let's drive around some more! The Rick they force fed us all season would either have walked out of the r/v shooting or backed it out of there while a few of them sneak out to ambush the Saviors. The Rick they gave us in the finale was not the Rick they gave us all season.
Which is also why everyone getting out of the r/v and walking up to them was completely idiotic/out of character and only served to force some inane dialogue on us. Why the hell would you get out of the r/v when a group of guys with guns (who you know is the enemy) is standing there and you have no idea what could be in the woods?
It was completely anti-Rick who they have shown blows people away without blinking. O hey... bad guys. Let's all get out and go talk to them. Hmm talking was boring... let's drive around some more! The Rick they force fed us all season would either have walked out of the r/v shooting or backed it out of there while a few of them sneak out to ambush the Saviors. The Rick they gave us in the finale was not the Rick they gave us all season.
Maybe it was another way they were trying to illustrate Rick's arrogance.
Nonsense. While Rick has been cold and quick to action many times, he also is quite calculated in his decisions to engage.
Most often he has taken time to prepare a team, or everyone on hand, and taken action on his terms, his time.
Only when they are caught off guard is when things get dicey, but they've always erred on the side of caution when greatly outnumbered. Always. The only time any in the group have gotten the jump on someone who had them outgunned was when they had things like an RPG. Otherwise, they have always decided to not act out hastily, and live to fight another day, wherein they will take the fight to that enemy on their terms.
Rick was classic Rick the entire time that episode, IMHO. I didn't see anything out of character. He'd rather not engage when others had the jump on them at every blockade. Whether the multiple blockade situation was practical is a different argument, but I felt the reactions by Rick were appropriate.
Rick continued to be Rick when he was shaking in his boots when they were at the mercy of Negan and his gang. He's always been a bit shaky in situations like that, often quick to react very emotionally; he's not a cool and collected dictator/murderer like he sometimes portrays. Only when he has a chance to plan a way out does he get a chance to put on his game face, otherwise, he's often terrified.
It's like, you don't even realize how the episode contradicted YOUR idea of Rick's character every bit as much as his. Rick and crew come across a wall of logs with a bridge behind them and they all file out of the vehicle like it isn't a kill zone with enemies lines up on the bridge behind them? They're lucky they weren't all gunned down right there because Negan wanted something else. That's not cautious, careful, calculating, "classic Rick." That's stupid anti-Rick.
Definitely arrogance. Over the last few episodes Rick was really feeling himself. He had everyone out of the RV as a show of force, and when they didnt back down he did the math and figured its best to GFTO. The whole point of the road trip was to get Maggie to a doctor, and getting in an evenly matched gun fight doesnt accomplish that.
In this universe if you even see a grandma with a walker in the middle of the road you go the other way or speed up and run her over. It was pretty dumb, but I think that was point. You could make the case that Maggie's condition forced him into the series of bad decisions, but he most likely would have done the same things regardless. The stupefied look on his face when he was caught was priceless. lol
I agree.And couple this with my other posts. His arrogance is a hindrance to the group, especially when he lets other emotions get in the way of sound judgment.
I think part of the running away had to do with the seeing the bullet holes through the RV.
Weren't those from when Rick went Al Pacino on the group of Wolves sneaking outside the camper?
So, I guess everyone is psyched about Fear the Walking Dead starting back up. Hehehe.
I think FTWD is a much better show. TWD has had poor writing/acting since the beginning. I still like it, but I find FTWD much better.
I'm glad this season is over. I hope they don't even renew it. Garbage. They killed off the only remotely attractive woman, Liza, so now they don't even have that going for them. Everything about the last episode sucked. The ten thousand zombies being followed by Salazar. How did he get in the gate? When they finally get out of the compound, all the zombies are dead. So I guess, the Army won? The interrogated soldier shoots Salazar's daughter....why? Then Travis goes off in a completely uncharacteristic violent roid rage on the soldier, there's nothing in his background that would lead you to believe that he would eventually crack. MAYBE, if he saw someone harm his family. But not some random girl he met briefly in a barber shop.
Fuck the writers and AMC for giving us this crap, riding on the coat tails of TWD.
I think FTWD is a much better show. TWD has had poor writing/acting since the beginning. I still like it, but I find FTWD much better.
Really? I couldn't stand FTWD....maybe I just couldn't stand watching 2 versions of the same mediocre show but I feel it is much worse than TWD. Z Nation is much more fun than either though...
I don't think most people care at this point. That, and the bullshit cliff hanger was so egregious that it overshadows everything else.
And it's not just because of the ending but how they hyped it. THAT is what really pisses people off. We get lied to and deceived enough in real life that I don't think we have as much patience for it when writers and producers do it.
Just look at how many people absolutely hated the ending to LOST but also how many people loved it. What the writers don't understand or chose to ignore is that the viewers who hate something will inevitably color how other viewer see something, especially if the hate group has good, identifiable reasons for hating it.
I'm definitely in that camp. Growing up with television you tend to set a pretty low bar for entertainment. Especially if you grew up when your main choices were network tv. So when I hear someone criticize a show and give me good reasons for their criticisms, it colors how I then view the show. Not because I'm weak willed but because I'm open minded and start seeing things in a different light as a result.
I haven't watched znation, but FTWD is a complete dumpster fire. Horribly acted, horribly scripted, you actually end up rooting for the zombies to kill the idiot people.
That show had all the promise in the world, great premise, great lead-in from TWD, it could have been really good, I was excited to watch it... but then after 4 or 5 episodes you just realize how horrible it was. I don't think I'll even bother to watch the second season.
I couldn't believe it either. That show fucked so many people up the ass so many different ways it should be considered a crime against humanity. I can only conclude that the people who liked the ending think being ass raped is great fun.I've heard they exist but I've never known anyone who loved the ending to Lost. I do agree with most of your post though.
Znation is in a different category so you can't really compare the two. It would be like comparing Jaws to Sharknado. Same theme but completely different approach. The quality of the acting in ZN isn't as important as the story. And the story actually hangs together pretty well with no glaring oversights, missteps or plot holes. I'm sure there are probably some but over all, even if you do happen to notice one, it doesn't matter because the rest is so well done and different.Z nation is a matter of taste. I assume it isn't for everyone. It is campy, it goes way more out on a limb about possibilities to where it is almost stupid (It's made by Anchor Bay if that means anything to you), and one character is pretty annoying in many people's opinion, but the first season is worth a watch at least. It basically takes many aspects of TWD but it actually has an endgame, rather than mindlessly wandering.
That finale was boring as hell.
Oh well, maybe I'll start watching Fear The Walking Dead now to fill the time.
You won't believe how exciting the TWD finale really was once you start watching Fear The Walking Dead. I love TWD, but FTWD is pretty awful.
I didn't spell it out enough, but I had also pointed out that Rick is not always cautious, careful, and calculating. He has had numerous knee-jerk reactions and decisions that don't always work out all that well. He is emotional, and doesn't always contain that side of him. In fact, he's often out of control, which is often his most obvious character trait.
Many episodes are often showing this dichotomy, between the careful and calculating Rick, with the emotional, quick to react, out of control Rick.
Which is also why everyone getting out of the r/v and walking up to them was completely idiotic/out of character and only served to force some inane dialogue on us. Why the hell would you get out of the r/v when a group of guys with guns (who you know is the enemy) is standing there and you have no idea what could be in the woods?
It was completely anti-Rick who they have shown blows people away without blinking. O hey... bad guys. Let's all get out and go talk to them. Hmm talking was boring... let's drive around some more! The Rick they force fed us all season would either have walked out of the r/v shooting or backed it out of there while a few of them sneak out to ambush the Saviors. The Rick they gave us in the finale was not the Rick they gave us all season.