The Walking Dead Season 7 discussion thread (season starts 10/23/16) - get ready for Negan!

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Aikouka

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Nov 27, 2001
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I thought it was amusing that I missed the first half, but even though I did, I didn't really miss anything at all. In a sense, that just shows what the producers have been doing to the show... stretching the mystery out so much to keep people strung along.
 

Ferzerp

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I thought it was amusing that I missed the first half, but even though I did, I didn't really miss anything at all. In a sense, that just shows what the producers have been doing to the show... stretching the mystery out so much to keep people strung along.

I liken it to the "Not Without My Anus" episode of South Park, but instead of being a 1-shot thing, they do it continually.
 

AznAnarchy99

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I thought it was amusing that I missed the first half, but even though I did, I didn't really miss anything at all. In a sense, that just shows what the producers have been doing to the show... stretching the mystery out so much to keep people strung along.

Yup. All of this should have been handled in 5 minutes for last season's finale.
 

Spydermag68

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I do not mind the way the episode played out. At the end of last season Rick was the king of his little world. Negan rides in at the last minute and turns Ricks world upside down. Rick is defiant and proud to admit that this gang has ben out classed. Abraham gets the bat since he will not be broken. When he dies most of the group is broken and Daryl tries to fight back and that gets Glenn killed. Daryl gets broken. Only Rick has not been broken. The rest of the episode is to break down Rick. The flash backs and the other fake outs ate Rick's imagination going wild. What is going to. Happen from here if he does not submit to Negan. The last 15 minutes is the final chop to Ricks leadership. He knows that if he does not keep the rest of his people in line, Negan will make sure he will pay for every infraction.
 
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KMFJD

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Missed this last night...good episode, great acting by Andrew Lincoln imo
 

ImpulsE69

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Finally some torture porn. This show was getting way too PG. Should have been Rick though. And I think when Rick stopped when he was about to chop Carl's arm off. Negan should have looked at him and said "I'm just getting a better look, I didn't say stop."

Negan's actor (i forget the name right now) did his job. I hate the character already.
 
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Feneant2

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What a terrible, disgusting episode. There was no need to show all that gore, it could easily have been done with going to a black out when he swings. You have to wonder how many people will stop watching after this, my wife walked out and said she was done and I doubt she's far from the only one.

Anyone else remember when this show was about surviving against the zombie apocalypse? When Rick drove off and looked at the zombie, I saw that as closure where the writers tell us the show is no longer about the dead.
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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What a terrible, disgusting episode. There was no need to show all that gore, it could easily have been done with going to a black out when he swings. You have to wonder how many people will stop watching after this, my wife walked out and said she was done and I doubt she's far from the only one.

Anyone else remember when this show was about surviving against the zombie apocalypse? When Rick drove off and looked at the zombie, I saw that as closure where the writers tell us the show is no longer about the dead.

This show has always been violent. If it turns you off, then the show was not meant for you. There has been live disembowlment, a crossbow bolt through the back of the head and out the front eye, and tremendous amounts of blood and guts whenever someone gets eaten on screen. I'm pretty sure more than one character had their jugular actually ripped out of their neck when they were getting eaten... but NOW it's too far?

It's an adult show... take the fact that they made you feel this disgusted as a measure of how realistic the effects team made it.

And the show hasn't really been about the dead in a while. I'm fine with that, as long as the characters involved are well developed (which they need to work on). After a certain point the zombies aren't a major threat, and we're dealing with the aftermath of the outbreak which in large part is how all of the remaining survivors behave.
 

Kaido

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What a terrible, disgusting episode. There was no need to show all that gore, it could easily have been done with going to a black out when he swings. You have to wonder how many people will stop watching after this, my wife walked out and said she was done and I doubt she's far from the only one.

Anyone else remember when this show was about surviving against the zombie apocalypse? When Rick drove off and looked at the zombie, I saw that as closure where the writers tell us the show is no longer about the dead.

This show has always been violent. If it turns you off, then the show was not meant for you. There has been live disembowlment, a crossbow bolt through the back of the head and out the front eye, and tremendous amounts of blood and guts whenever someone gets eaten on screen. I'm pretty sure more than one character had their jugular actually ripped out of their neck when they were getting eaten... but NOW it's too far?

It's an adult show... take the fact that they made you feel this disgusted as a measure of how realistic the effects team made it.

And the show hasn't really been about the dead in a while. I'm fine with that, as long as the characters involved are well developed (which they need to work on). After a certain point the zombies aren't a major threat, and we're dealing with the aftermath of the outbreak which in large part is how all of the remaining survivors behave.

I do think the finale was over the top with the gore level. But then again, the title is literally "The Walking Dead" & is rated TV-MA. Also, it cemented into place just how bad of a guy Negan was. But yeah, I didn't need to see that much gore to get the point across.

Also, the show was never really about surviving zombies. That was just an introduction...but really, even from the start, it wasn't about that. The very first person Rick meets is Morgan & his son, and they've already figured out how to hide from the zombies just fine. The zombies are more of the plot device that pushes the story forward by putting the characters in different situations, like when Rick gets stuck in the tank & his horse gets eaten in the first season, or when the hoard is descending on Alexandria. The Walking Dead is the Rick Grimes show...it's about the familial bonds that people develop through difficult situations, as well as how crappy humanity can be to each other when put in bad situations with no law & limited resources. It's sort of a narrative about basic human behavior in difficult times.

I think a combination of all of those things is what keeps the show going: it's not just another zombie flick, it's a post-zombie flick...what happens after? How do people react? How do people bond & grow closer? How do people regress? Despite stretching out the story at times, they've done a good job exploring different concepts in this scenario...like how close the Governor's town was to Rick's prison group, but that the Governor was crazy & kinda heartless and Rick wasn't. And before that, when Shane crossed the line...just like Rick does later. Or the Terminates, who turned cannibal. Or the various gangs. And now Negan, who has a strong, controlling personality & has really taken control of people & set up his own little kingdom post-society.
 
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This show has always been violent. If it turns you off, then the show was not meant for you. There has been live disembowlment, a crossbow bolt through the back of the head and out the front eye, and tremendous amounts of blood and guts whenever someone gets eaten on screen. I'm pretty sure more than one character had their jugular actually ripped out of their neck when they were getting eaten... but NOW it's too far?

It's an adult show... take the fact that they made you feel this disgusted as a measure of how realistic the effects team made it.

And the show hasn't really been about the dead in a while. I'm fine with that, as long as the characters involved are well developed (which they need to work on). After a certain point the zombies aren't a major threat, and we're dealing with the aftermath of the outbreak which in large part is how all of the remaining survivors behave.

This. Its always been bloody and gorey. You are just taking offense that it is one of the main characters it happened to this time. If it was some random dude being beaten my Negan you probably wouldnt care so much. Which means the show is working and developing strong bonds to characters, but its a more realistic show in that not everyone lives happily ever after like 99% of other shows.
 

Kaido

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This. Its always been bloody and gorey. You are just taking offense that it is one of the main characters it happened to this time. If it was some random dude being beaten my Negan you probably wouldnt care so much. Which means the show is working and developing strong bonds to characters, but its a more realistic show in that not everyone lives happily ever after like 99% of other shows.

Yeah, I think that's the key. Although Glen's death was particularly violent & gory. But other stuff, like the gorey napalm zombies, were pretty funny. You know, a new twist on "how can we gross people out with zombies?" lol. I do feel like they could have cut down on how much they showed of Glen's death. But on the flip side, they could have gone gorier with Abraham's death...they could have shown the baseball bat turning a mask of Abraham's face into pudding, but they didn't.
 

dank69

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Yeah, I think that's the key. Although Glen's death was particularly violent & gory. But other stuff, like the gorey napalm zombies, were pretty funny. You know, a new twist on "how can we gross people out with zombies?" lol. I do feel like they could have cut down on how much they showed of Glen's death. But on the flip side, they could have gone gorier with Abraham's death...they could have shown the baseball bat turning a mask of Abraham's face into pudding, but they didn't.
No way. Glenn's death was done perfectly. It was a real tribute to the comic:

 

Kaido

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No way. Glenn's death was done perfectly. It was a real tribute to the comic:

Oh, that's separate - I think they did justice with his demise in the show this week. One of the reasons I didn't want him to go (because I do feel like he's been boring for a looooooong time now, really ever since the prison fell & he got depressed) was that I was afraid it was going to feel like a token death. They definitely sent him off in a solid way!
 

ImpulsE69

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Yea I don't get what people are upset about. The zombies die in various gruesome ways weekly. ZLM!

Seriously though, yes, this isn't supposed to be some sweet drama. It's a post apocalyptic brutal world, survival of the fittest, no real bright lite at the end of the tunnel. I think the slowness and boringness of the last 3 seasons has made people forget that. A little shock treatment to wake them up is what they needed. I for one didn't expect the Glen scene after Abraham died, so yes it was both a shock and pretty in your face, but then...I watch 'horror' for horror, so while I liked Glen, oh well, there'll be new characters.
 

dank69

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Oh, that's separate - I think they did justice with his demise in the show this week. One of the reasons I didn't want him to go (because I do feel like he's been boring for a looooooong time now, really ever since the prison fell & he got depressed) was that I was afraid it was going to feel like a token death. They definitely sent him off in a solid way!
I was just speaking to your opinion that they could have cut down on how much they showed of Glenn's death.
 

Kaido

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I was just speaking to your opinion that they could have cut down on how much they showed of Glenn's death.

Oh, gotcha. I think soulcougher73 is onto something...people are more freaked out at the gore because it happened to a main character. So you have shock value plus the visuals, which was a lot more impactful than a red shirt getting bitten by a walker.
 

drquest

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I sort of thought it might be two characters and am glad they didn't wimp out and give Glenn a pass, even though I did like the character. Same goes for Abraham.... Personally I wish they would have ended last season with Abraham, then showing Negan dragging Rick to the RV, fade to black.... It would have had a larger impact and still would have had people guessing.... Toss in Glenn at the series premier and whoa.... would have taken a lot of people by surprise. When I saw Negan talking about the "first one was free" and I saw Glenn in the background I knew it was coming...

I'm surprised at the number of people I'm hearing complaining about the violence from the receiving end of Lucille. There's been a lot of graphic stuff shown before IMO. The walker deaths are always gruesome, and we all know when a main character is "taking one for the team" it won't be pleasant....

Now I do like my drama with a little bit of violence, but don't want the show to be just violence with a little bit of drama. Suspense and tension is what I want to see.
 

Kaido

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I sort of thought it might be two characters and am glad they didn't wimp out and give Glenn a pass, even though I did like the character. Same goes for Abraham.... Personally I wish they would have ended last season with Abraham, then showing Negan dragging Rick to the RV, fade to black.... It would have had a larger impact and still would have had people guessing.... Toss in Glenn at the series premier and whoa.... would have taken a lot of people by surprise. When I saw Negan talking about the "first one was free" and I saw Glenn in the background I knew it was coming...

I'm surprised at the number of people I'm hearing complaining about the violence from the receiving end of Lucille. There's been a lot of graphic stuff shown before IMO. The walker deaths are always gruesome, and we all know when a main character is "taking one for the team" it won't be pleasant....

Now I do like my drama with a little bit of violence, but don't want the show to be just violence with a little bit of drama. Suspense and tension is what I want to see.

Oooh, that would have been really good! Then it opens with a huge shock instead of just a shock!
 

Cappuccino

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Why is everyone assuming Glenn is dead?

We won't even know until next episode whether or not he managed to roll away from the bat at the last second and find safety under a garbage bin.
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Ferzerp

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Why is everyone assuming Glenn is dead?

We won't even know until next episode whether or not he managed to roll away from the bat at the last second and find safety under a garbage bin.
Next episode? I think you mean 4 episodes away, two of which are purposefully about something else entirely to piss off the fan base.
 
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