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Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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Meh, I kind of think that it would be nice if retired people could stay where they are, stay close to their families, stay with all their friends, in the community they've spent their whole lives in.

//wipes tear from corner of eye

They'd probably have their mortgage paid off anyway, so $180k per year even in NYC would be luxurious.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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That's because the middle class is filled with lazy benefit scroungers that haven't done a days work in their life. Maybe if they got off the couch and did some honest hard work, they wouldn't be in this despicable rut where they're starving to death.

:hmm:

no shit. If I were pulling in $180k, I would be retired in 5 years and truly wealthy, living off of investments and my IRA when the time comes.

Any dumbass making any amount of cash--180k, 300k, 700k, and can "barely live on that in a year," has no fucking clue what wealth is.

Working the rest of your life and complaining about being "180k" poor is the opposite of wealth.

dumbasses.
 

piasabird

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I dont make that much money. Too Bad. My heart bleeds for them. Do they know the average income in the USA is like $47k?
 

MajinCry

Platinum Member
Jul 28, 2015
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I dont make that much money. Too Bad. My heart bleeds for them. Do they know the average income in the USA is like $47k?

And what about the lads living below the extreme poverty line? Native American families, on the reservations at least, make less than $3.5k per person in each household IIRC.

Aye, it's the breadowner's income being split up, but still. People are living off less than a tenth, almost a twentieth of what these oh-so-poor-rich fucks get. Lord almighty.
 

MagickMan

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No one in that infographic is making $180k. The lowest earning is the retired couple pulling $180k after $25k deductions. In other words, they're making $205k. Ignoring that, $180k minus their $22k federal income tax liability leaves them with only $157k per year, or $13k per month. If that's "barely middle class" then the term 'middle class' has lost all meaning.

Class structures have no meaning, you're right. It's just another arm of identity politics.
 

MagickMan

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Aug 11, 2008
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You have no idea what you're talking about. The median family income in San Francisco was ~101K in 2014, one of the most expensive cities in the country.

http://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/california/san-francisco/

wut?

or do you mean it's basically upper class in all major cities?

because it is.

Now, how people choose to live with/waste their vast amounts of endlessly disposable income is on them, not their wages.

^^ The uninformed. I'm not talking about a greater metro area (including every suburb within 50 miles), which is what your stats include.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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^^ The uninformed. I'm not talking about a greater metro area (including every suburb within 50 miles), which is what your stats include.

you're clearly ignorant of the costs in those "burbs" in the Bay Area.

That, and simply "tossing out" relevant data points, such as local CoL, individual lifestyles and preferred habits because it is inconvenient to your false assumptions is laughable. You assume that people live in those "burbs" because SF is so much more expensive. LoL. What a dummy.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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They mention the estate tax too.


Lawmakers retained the $5 million individual exemption for gift and estate taxes and kept it indexed for inflation, while raising the tax rate to 40% from 35%—about the best outcome many could have hoped for.
$5M. That affects very few people, but even those who'll never see a $1M estate will still be vocal about it because they're told it's a bad thing.




"Without the estate tax, you in effect will have an aristocracy of the wealthy, which means you pass down the ability to command the resources of the nation based on heredity rather than merit," Democrat Jared Polis of Colorado said, quoting billionaire Warren Buffett. "America is and should be a meritocracy."
This is the risk of eliminating or drastically reducing it: Human beings are horrible when it comes to using power responsibly. Something like this takes you closer to things like royal families or indefinite dynasties.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Fortunately I don't see your posts unless my login times out.

The above is a prime example why that is. I simply stated some facts. You chose, perhaps rightfully, to assume that the left / Democrats are to blame for that.

That's a failing of your well-known one-dimensional thinking.

There are plenty of people pissed off about having not only their real income go down, as I noted, but also the amount of taxes they pay go up. They're pissed off that the poor now outnumber the middle class. Most of them no longer care how it happened, it is rightfully the fault of current establishment politicians on both sides who have enacted policies to the detriment of the people they are supposed to represent.

Which is why you have both Trump and Sanders. Their overwhelming levels of support is a complete rejection of establishment policies and politics, rejection of globalization, and big money politics.

It's a situation that will only get worse, and people will get more pissed off, if it's allowed to continue.

I'm sure you still don't get it.
Hi. I'm going to hamstring Democrats by taking away their filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and putting GOP in charge of the House and then complain that they share equal blame when nothing gets fixed. All because I believed that when the GOP told me that the ACA was the worst piece of legislation ever crafted they weren't lying through their teeth.
 

DrDoug

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CNBC quote:

Middle-class Americans are now outnumbered by those above and below them and are "falling behind financially, ...

If Republicans ever get their way the middle class won't have to be worried about being outnumbered for too long. Why? Because they will keep losing financial ground, join the poor and together they will eventually outnumber the rich.

At that point at least they won't have to worry about falling behind any more! :thumbsup:
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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If Republicans ever get their way the middle class won't have to be worried about being outnumbered for too long. Why? Because they will keep losing financial ground, join the poor and together they will eventually outnumber the rich.

At that point at least they won't have to worry about falling behind any more! :thumbsup:

IT's a rather frightening proposal, for as much as conservatives claim to be experts on Marx, they seem completely ignorant of his actual message.

Perhaps they fear their own ignorance, or they just read the Cliff Notes and tried to wing their oral book report in the 7th grade? I mean, this is as basic as it gets.

I'm going with the latter.
 
Feb 4, 2009
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These slides have to be a part of a bigger presentation. I cannot believe anyone would be so stupid with these "middle class" incomes.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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These slides have to be a part of a bigger presentation. I cannot believe anyone would be so stupid with these "middle class" incomes.

They are middle class incomes- upper middle class. They're dwarfed by the incomes of the financial elite.

If tax increases don't hurt these folks, think of how badly they affect the lifestyles of the truly wealthy, which is to say not at all.
 
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