The War On Drugs A Failure

[Genx87]

Yet you want drugs and claims it doesnt violate anyone else? I think you are confused with the term of your freedom doesnt equal other peoples freedom.

I think I have a right too, to walk on the pavements without having to worry about being cut on needles with deadly diseases or simply walk into an addict that cant control him or herself in their trip.

How does me or anybody else consuming a product violate your rights?

 

[ShintaiDK]

How does me or anybody else consuming a product violate your rights?

When it affects others. People on drugs tend to lose self control and the ability to take care of themselves. meaning they disrupt regular life of others and often get into situation where they need help.

 

[Broheim]

When it affects others. People on drugs tend to lose self control and the ability to take care of themselves. meaning they disrupt regular life of others and often get into situation where they need help.

which is already happening in Denmark, there are plenty of addicts and the cops ignore the junkies because they know that whatever they do wont solve shit, all they do is tell them to go somewhere else.

 

[Genx87]

When it affects others. People on drugs tend to lose self control and the ability to take care of themselves. meaning they disrupt regular life of others and often get into situation where they need help.

That isnt violating your rights. Your right to not have feelings affected by other people's actions isnt a right. And there is nothing stopping you from eliminating the effects of an abusive friend or family member.

 

[zsdersw]

When it affects others. People on drugs tend to lose self control and the ability to take care of themselves. meaning they disrupt regular life of others and often get into situation where they need help.

There are many more times when it doesn't affect others. Do you seriously believe there aren't people in your day-to-day life who use drugs yet don't have a problem with being to work on time every day and taking care of themselves and their families and that everyone who uses drugs is an addict that can't hold a job and constantly abuses others? If so, there's no hope for you... 1984 describes your life.

The problem with blanket bans on stuff like alcohol and other drugs is that it prevents responsible use... which doesn't really deter anyone from using the drug they want to use, responsibly or otherwise.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Reponsible use, ohh the humour!

Yes, yes, you can stop _anytime_ you want...really...true story.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[zsdersw]

Reponsible use, ohh the humour!

Yes, yes, you can stop _anytime_ you want...really...true story.

Thanks for the laugh.

You really are naive, aren't you? So, everyone that you interact (or have interacted) with in life that isn't in rehab or treatment/counseling could not possibly be a drug user? Here, I have some oceanfront property in Iowa to sell you.

Tell me, what vices do you have?

 

[Broheim]

Reponsible use, ohh the humour!

Yes, yes, you can stop _anytime_ you want...really...true story.

Thanks for the laugh.

can you honestly say you didn't smoke weed when you were younger?

 

[Saint Nick]

ITS THAT DAMN TERRORIST BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lll

 

[zsdersw]

can you honestly say you didn't smoke weed when you were younger?

I did.. many times. I even tried some stuff that everyone said was seriously good shit, and it did nothing at all for me. I felt and acted no different.

So I realized that weed doesn't affect me and haven't done it since.

 

[ShintaiDK]

can you honestly say you didn't smoke weed when you were younger?

Yes.

 

[Genx87]

Reponsible use, ohh the humour!

Yes, yes, you can stop _anytime_ you want...really...true story.

Thanks for the laugh.

The vast majority of drug users are responsible. Just like the vast majority of alcohol users.

 

[zsdersw]

The vast majority of drug users are responsible.

Didn't you get the memo? If you can't see something it couldn't possibly be there or exist. /sarcasm

 

[xj0hnx]

I think you yet again fail to understand the concept. Alcohol is build into traditions for 1000s of years. What I say is, had alcohol been invented today it would have been a different case.

It would be nice if your actions also reflected this "knowing better.

So have drugs. Opiates, particularly opium, has been a part of human society for longer than alcohol, weed, or hemp, has too, and has been part of American culture since the start. Alcohol is actually the newbie.

You also seem quite ignorant as to where the problems lay. For one, someone doing drugs, as mentioned before, doesn't hurt someone else or infringe on their freedom, where as murdering them does quite handily infringes on that freedom. Also to speak to "people dying from OD", most that die from OD do so because the quality of street drugs is not regulated, and they never know how much they are actually taking. If someone that is used to scoring 20-30% heroin, and shooting it daily, suddenly gets some that is 70-80% pure but shoots the same amount they OD. Now if they went and bought their heroin from a store, that got it from a pharmacuticel company, they would know how much they needed to do without guessing, and hoping that it isn't cut with something like coffee, or talc.

 

[Broheim]

Yes.

that sounds fucking boring and I hate (not really) to tell you the majority of danes has tried weed when they were younger.

 

[Incorruptible]

Who hijacked Incorruptible's account?

My account has not been hijacked, I have had this view for a long time.

Well, the OP is certainly an example of how big a failure the "War on Drugs" has been.

You of all people should not be talking.

So if Incorruptable smokes a doobie... how is that hurting you? Now if someone murdered a family member of yours... would you agree that this scenario is totally different and has a little more impact on the rights of others?

Good point, When someone does drugs they are not harming anyone else while with murder they completely are. How does someone not understand the difference between these two?

If someone does drugs they are only harming themselves and if people want to do that then they should be able to.

 

[zsdersw]

You of all people should not be talking.

What other explanation for your idiocy is there?

 

[xj0hnx]

I think I have a right too, to walk on the pavements without having to worry about being cut on needles with deadly diseases or simply walk into an addict that cant control him or herself in their trip.

You want to talk about funny? That's funny. You know the reason why you have to see it? Because it is illegal and forced into the streets. You have been granted your wish, aren't you happy?

If the addicts could just buy new, clean needles, and dispose of their used ones properly, you wouldn't see them because they would be in available sharps bins, but alas you got your wish, so there are no available sharps bins, and junkies are sharing used needles, spreading disease, and leaving them out for you to step on.

 

[ShintaiDK]

that sounds fucking boring and I hate (not really) to tell you the majority of danes has tried weed when they were younger.

This is about the time where you are asked to supply facts to prove it. Else I assume its a false claim.

 

[Broheim]

You want to talk about funny? That's funny. You know the reason why you have to see it? Because it is illegal and forced into the streets. You have been granted your wish, aren't you happy?

If the addicts could just buy new, clean needles, and dispose of their used ones properly, you wouldn't see them because they would be in available sharps bins, but alas you got your wish, so there are no available sharps bins, and junkies are sharing used needles, spreading disease, and leaving them out for you to step on.

they had to put up needle bins in public toilets here in Demark because the floors used to be covered in needles, for a long time they used to stop "fixerum" (somewhere the junkies can go to shoot up, out of the way and in a clean, safe environment) but if I remember it correctly they recently allowed some pilot projects.

 

[Broheim]

This is about the time where you are asked to supply facts to prove it. Else I assume its a false claim.

http://politiken.dk/tjek/sundhedogm...1/danskerne-er-europamestre-i-at-proeve-hash/

these are the people who willingly said they had committed a crime, almost 50% of people in the 15-34 age group... how many do you think lied and said no?

 

[xj0hnx]

they had to put up needle bins in public toilets here in Demark because the floors used to be covered in needles, for a long time they used to stop "fixerum" (somewhere the junkies can go to shoot up, out of the way and in a clean, safe environment) but if I remember it correctly they recently allowed some pilot projects.

Places like Canada have Insight, and I believe Switzerland's government is trying a heroin program that helps get people addicted back into society, by helping them not have to worry about the drug side of their problem, while getting them counseling at the same time. But from what I have seen it isn't wide spread enough to make a real difference, but if it continues to be successful, hopefully the idea will spread to other places where it is needed.

It really is a sad state of affairs that our world treats this as more of a criminal issue than the health issue that it is.

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://politiken.dk/tjek/sundhedogm...1/danskerne-er-europamestre-i-at-proeve-hash/

32.5% is a majority? And average in europe is 23,7%.

 

[Incorruptible]

Places like Canada have Insight, and I believe Switzerland's government is trying a heroin program that helps get people addicted back into society, by helping them not have to worry about the drug side of their problem, while getting them counseling at the same time. But from what I have seen it isn't wide spread enough to make a real difference, but if it continues to be successful, hopefully the idea will spread to other places where it is needed.

It really is a sad state of affairs that our world treats this as more of a criminal issue than the health issue that it is.

I know that Canada did put in these sites in BC but they are taxpayer funded which isn't right that the taxpayer has to pay for this. The proper way to help them would be to let private charities and churches help the people out. They would do a much better job than the government.

 

[xj0hnx]

I know that Canada did put in these sites in BC but they are taxpayer funded which isn't right that the taxpayer has to pay for this. The proper way to help them would be to let private charities and churches help the people out. They would do a much better job than the government.

While they would probably do a better job, the fact is that taxpayers pay it anyway, this way it is just directly to the source instead of through state funded care, hospital visits and stay, locked up in jail, etc ...