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SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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You're always the victim, Slow.


No, I persevere, the left on the other hand wants to lower the bar so everyone has an excuse no one has to look in the mirror and pick themselves up. It is always someone else's fault.

But, back on topic, dozens of replies and no one addressing the issue, this is racism. If you plugged in any other demographic we'd all call it racism. If it is a white male, then it's cool to hate, though. I just go one race further than you in wanting equality, you racists.
 

1sikbITCH

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Jan 3, 2001
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How is African American unemployment under Trump? Anyone that wants a job can have one. All you do is make excuses for why some people fail, you liberals continue to lower the bar everywhere for the sake of feelings.

More than enough jobs to go around but Hispanic people are stealing all the white man's jobs.

You talk out both sides of your ass/face.
 
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Look at minimum wage, once that was firmly established it became the bar companies lowered hourly pay to. I think college became much the same once the government stated getting into the loan business and subsidizing. Colleges went up to that loan limit when they used to be much less expensive. Just another example of how when government gets involved things often become worse.

Working fewer hours for the same pay is a loss?
Unless higher education is going to be completely unregulated to the point of every school offers its own trademarked degree, the free market will never control school costs
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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I was a high school dropout but today I have a master’s degree and a comfortable life that I am very happy with. I came from a middle class white family though. It is unlikely if I dropped out of high school as a poor black kid that I would be in the same situation today.

I had to work hard to get where I am, no doubt. That doesn’t change the fact that I had advantages that gave me the ability to screw up and still have a decent life. Some people have trouble admitting their advantages because they are insecure and think it invalidates them. It doesn’t, it’s just recognizing reality.


What advantages did you have? Also, is "advantage" the same as "privilege" to you?


Still waiting on this one. What were the advantages and is advantage the same as privilege?
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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The team I hired consists of four I don't see color men (two vets), a I don't see color man, an I don't see color woman, and an I don't see color American (well, he's working on citizenship, I will be at his ceremony). I only got two other applications from I don't see colors, neither were qualified, it had nothing to do with I don't see color. I rejected probably a dozen other I don't see color people (I have no idea what applications were rejected via HR before they got to me though).
FTFY

Also please update thread title to "The I Don't See Color Forum.
 

MavericK96

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The more people that disagree with me here, in the current environment found on this subforum, the more I know I'm correct in my view.

It's not, though. The link you posted shows an event which digs into the racism perpetuated by white people. The claim that acknowledging racism from white people is racism against white people just doesn't make any sort of logical sense.

I don't consider myself to be a racist and I try to call out racism when I see it. But to claim that white people over the course of decades have not oppressed minorities is just ignorant.
 
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fskimospy

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Still waiting on this one. What were the advantages and is advantage the same as privilege?

lol. You are not taking this well at all.

I went to good schools so I had a lot of knowledge even though I didn't graduate. I knew plenty of reasonably well off, college educated people to make connections through. I didn't grow up in an area with a lot of crime (or really any to speak of) so there was a much lower risk of getting caught up in all that. Had things gone south I could have leaned on my mom for money (although I did not). I have a very white name so when I applied for jobs I would have advantages over minorities as we've already empirically established.

I could go on for a long time but there's really no point as all of these should be obvious.

If nothing else I hope you've taken a lesson away that the idea that black people have an easier time landing jobs than you do is ridiculous nonsense made up by people searching for ever more ways to be victims. Reality is the opposite.
 
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SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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lol. You are not taking this well at all.

I went to good schools so I had a lot of knowledge even though I didn't graduate. I knew plenty of reasonably well off, college educated people to make connections through. I didn't grow up in an area with a lot of crime (or really any to speak of) so there was a much lower risk of getting caught up in all that. Had things gone south I could have leaned on my mom for money (although I did not). I have a very white name so when I applied for jobs I would have advantages over minorities as we've already empirically established.

I could go on for a long time but there's really no point as all of these should be obvious.

If nothing else I hope you've taken a lesson away that the idea that black people have an easier time landing jobs than you do is ridiculous nonsense made up by people searching for ever more ways to be victims. Reality is the opposite.


I grew up and effectively had one parent by adolescence in a bad area where I was by FAR the minority in not great schools, next to a bunch of low income apartments (at least early on) where the teachers were busier disciplining kids and just watching them for the day than teaching. I always wondered why 2/3 the class had reduced or free lunch while I had to pay. Kids used to always bring in fake week to mimic smoking it like their parents did at recess. I could have gotten caught up in bad stuff quite easily. I too have a "white name" as well as check boxes to not reply to the race/sex so I don't get the benefit of affirmative action.

I've struggled but made it to a comfortable living myself, took my own path. There were bumps along the way, and you can deny that this happened all you want, but it DID happen and helps shape my world view, I WAS denied a job for no other reason whatsoever than being a white male. That was 100% the reason. But, I know there are decent people out there that care more about my achievements and experience than my skin color, and I soldiered on and am better today for it. Opportunity is often disguised as hard work, and I promise hard work and persistence will triumph over those that penalize for skin color, as I was penalized.
 

allisolm

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As you have failed to show again and again you mean.. For some reason you try to pitch this insanity here where somewhere you must know there is no takers for your cray cray.

This.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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I grew up and effectively had one parent by adolescence in a bad area where I was by FAR the minority in not great schools, next to a bunch of low income apartments (at least early on) where the teachers were busier disciplining kids and just watching them for the day than teaching. I always wondered why 2/3 the class had reduced or free lunch while I had to pay. Kids used to always bring in fake week to mimic smoking it like their parents did at recess. I could have gotten caught up in bad stuff quite easily. I too have a "white name" as well as check boxes to not reply to the race/sex so I don't get the benefit of affirmative action.

I've struggled but made it to a comfortable living myself, took my own path. There were bumps along the way, and you can deny that this happened all you want, but it DID happen and helps shape my world view, I WAS denied a job for no other reason whatsoever than being a white male. That was 100% the reason. But, I know there are decent people out there that care more about my achievements and experience than my skin color, and I soldiered on and am better today for it. Opportunity is often disguised as hard work, and I promise hard work and persistence will triumph over those that penalize for skin color, as I was penalized.

Since study after study shows that you're significantly more likely to get a callback for a job interview when your name is "Steve" instead of "Jamal" - and you clearly do not like affirmative action as a means to counter-balance this discrimination, then what instead would you suggest?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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My voting rights as a white male are the same as a female's or minority's rights. Everyone should have an equal say, and equal vote, and that is the case today.

But they don’t because you Republican white boys are disenfranchising minority voters and gerrymandering your way into remaining in office

Maybe Democrats should return the favor but they have a sense of right and wrong
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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I grew up and effectively had one parent by adolescence in a bad area where I was by FAR the minority in not great schools, next to a bunch of low income apartments (at least early on) where the teachers were busier disciplining kids and just watching them for the day than teaching. I always wondered why 2/3 the class had reduced or free lunch while I had to pay. Kids used to always bring in fake week to mimic smoking it like their parents did at recess. I could have gotten caught up in bad stuff quite easily. I too have a "white name" as well as check boxes to not reply to the race/sex so I don't get the benefit of affirmative action.

I've struggled but made it to a comfortable living myself, took my own path. There were bumps along the way, and you can deny that this happened all you want, but it DID happen and helps shape my world view, I WAS denied a job for no other reason whatsoever than being a white male. That was 100% the reason. But, I know there are decent people out there that care more about my achievements and experience than my skin color, and I soldiered on and am better today for it. Opportunity is often disguised as hard work, and I promise hard work and persistence will triumph over those that penalize for skin color, as I was penalized.

You get the benefits of racial preference in hiring all the time, as you already agreed was the case.

Even after you admitted the empirical evidence showed white people gain benefits due to their race you're still trying to claim the victim over your race, just as I predicted.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I've been directly affected by affirmative action. I didn't mope about it, I picked up where I left off and kept on trucking. I know today you lefties push the idea of being a victim, every time life gets hard to blame someone else. But I guess I'm made of backbone where you're full of shit.

Maybe if one of those “very fine people” had mowed someone you knew down in the street you would STFU
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Maybe if one of those “very fine people” had mowed someone you knew down in the street you would STFU

It takes some sort of bizarre intellectual disconnect to admit the empirical evidence shows white people benefit from race based preference in hiring and then immediately after complain about how he the white guy is the true victim of race based preference in hiring.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Lots of whining about my posts, but not much more. Nice how you guys cannot address the subject at all, how leftist racism exists and is the primary form of racism today. If that was any other demographic in the OP we'd all agree its wrong and it is racist.

Try answering a fucking question. Where was the so called left’s racism during the election?

I’ve asked that question for weeks and you are still too chicken shit to answer

By racism I mean denigration of white Republicans just for being white
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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I was a high school dropout but today I have a master’s degree and a comfortable life that I am very happy with. I came from a middle class white family though. It is unlikely if I dropped out of high school as a poor black kid that I would be in the same situation today.

I had to work hard to get where I am, no doubt. That doesn’t change the fact that I had advantages that gave me the ability to screw up and still have a decent life. Some people have trouble admitting their advantages because they are insecure and think it invalidates them. It doesn’t, it’s just recognizing reality.
You are a veteran. The path of military service lifts a lot of people up and allows them to overcome past mistakes, regardless of race.

Going back to what the OP linked, I see little value in college programs that ask students to critically ponder whiteness, as if whiteness is some homogenous thing.
 

whm1974

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You are a veteran. The path of military service lifts a lot of people up and allows them to overcome past mistakes, regardless of race.

Going back to what the OP linked, I see little value in college programs that ask students to critically ponder whiteness, as if whiteness is some homogenous thing.
Agreed, and Slow is mistaking the the very far left with the the mainstream liberal.
 
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