That's it- reduce the lives of innocent people to an abstraction.
Sure why not, you've already reduced the rule of law and rights of lawful immigrants to abstractions.
Aren't law and rights abstractions by definition? They are just ideas we made up.
So are "rights" and "separation of powers."
Honestly this situation is basically beyond moral repair unless/until Congress acts. Otherwise one way you condone moral hazard and the other way unjustified reversal of a promise made.
Sure why not, you've already reduced the rule of law and rights of lawful immigrants to abstractions. I'm sure when Trump uses his executive powers to do something to unfairly benefit the rich without legislative action then you'll be just as forceful in defending the rights of the rich telling us how those rights can't be taken away, amirite?
So are "rights" and "separation of powers."
Honestly this situation is basically beyond moral repair unless/until Congress acts. Otherwise one way you condone moral hazard and the other way unjustified reversal of a promise made.
That's it- reduce the lives of innocent people to an abstraction.
children != parents
What precedent is there to hold children liable for the actions of their parents?I’d be fine with letting DACA kids stay but I’d make the price of admission for that being it’s not effective until the parents leave the U.S. and revoked if they do.
Huh? This makes no sense. Many DACA children are in like middle school dude.I’d be fine with letting DACA kids stay but I’d make the price of admission for that being it’s not effective until the parents leave the U.S. and revoked if they do.
I wouldn't. Send them all home.I’d be fine with letting DACA kids stay but I’d make the price of admission for that being it’s not effective until the parents leave the U.S. and revoked if they do.
I wouldn't. Send them all home.
Actually most nations in the world absolutely have credible ideas of what legal immigration should look like. It's just here in the United States we pretend this is some impossible thing, because a powerful group of businesses that rely on illegal labor to cheat and undercut citizen labor have convinced people to be idiots about it.The problem is no one really has a credible idea of what legal immigration should look like and what to do (from a practical, moral, ethical and humanitarian standpoint) about illegal immigration.
Citation needed. for all of them, not just a relative hand full.For most Dreamers, this is the only home they've ever known.
I’d be fine with letting DACA kids stay but I’d make the price of admission for that being it’s not effective until the parents leave the U.S. and revoked if they do.
I dunno; right now alot of countries are struggling with what to do with african migrants. Even worse was how they handled the syria situation and lets not even talk about whats going on in southeast asia right now.Actually most nations in the world absolutely have credible ideas of what legal immigration should look like. It's just here in the United States we pretend this is some impossible thing, because a powerful group of businesses that rely on illegal labor to cheat and undercut citizen labor have convinced people to be idiots about it.
I've encouraged people that don't believe this to pack of their children and move illegally to the nation of their choice from the US and see about how far using thier kids as their "stay in the country free! and be held up as the most valuable citizens of that country!" card gets them.
No takers. I wonder why.
Well first off there's a huge gulf of difference between asylum seekers and people trying to illegally imigrate to a country to provide crooked, exploitive industries with illegal labor.I dunno; right now alot of countries are struggling with what to do with african migrants. Even worse was how they handled the syria situation and lets not even talk about whats going on in southeast asia right now.
The reality is immigration is a worldwide problem. It really needs a worldwide solution and I'm surprised that at the founding of the UN or NATO these things weren't settled.
Well first off there's a huge gulf of difference between asylum seekers and people trying to illegally imigrate to a country to provide crooked, exploitive industries with illegal labor.
I encourage people... not asylum seekers fleeing wars but just you or anyone here, pick the country you like and go seek a better life there by sneaking in, bringing your children with you as your anchors (read: pawns) and offering to do their citizens jobs for an undercut rate/skirt of their labor laws. While you're at it, steal the IDs of their citizens (preferably their young children who won't know until they turn 18 and want any hope of a decent credit history) and use your stolen ID to obtain jobs.
When caught eventually, see if anyone has figured out what to do with you. See if you're celebrated as the pillar of their society, hands constantly wrung over you, laws must be enancted at the expense of their own citizens to favor you.
I encourage those whining the loudest against the US for daring to have immigration laws... and worse ... enforcing them, to be the very first to put money where their flapping mouths are to go try the above wherever they so choose.
So, for all of you who want to deport Dreamers, would you go if you found out you weren't born here? Be honest, now.