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MjnMixael

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You've got some good points. Many of which we have agreed on before.

However to say that any one HA hub is so far ahead of the competition to warrant any one of them dead is just rant fodder. If that hub existed, HA hubs would be flying off shelves. All these hub-makers are trying to make something that works with everything and is still unique from the competition. I do not want that job.

You can say I'm crying wolf all day long. In the end, I've seen a few glimpses at what Wink has coming down the pipe. I haven't seen anything from ST, Logitech, or even Nest that gets me half as excited as what I know Wink is doing.

(Ugh... Nest... "Works with Nest" is great in concept but terrible in practice. But that's a rant for another time.)
 

IndyColtsFan

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You've got some good points. Many of which we have agreed on before.

However to say that any one HA hub is so far ahead of the competition to warrant any one of them dead is just rant fodder. If that hub existed, HA hubs would be flying off shelves. All these hub-makers are trying to make something that works with everything and is still unique from the competition. I do not want that job.

You can say I'm crying wolf all day long. In the end, I've seen a few glimpses at what Wink has coming down the pipe. I haven't seen anything from ST, Logitech, or even Nest that gets me half as excited as what I know Wink is doing.

(Ugh... Nest... "Works with Nest" is great in concept but terrible in practice. But that's a rant for another time.)

There is no question in my mind at this point - none - that SmartThings is the more powerful product. The reason I consider it so far ahead is one reason and one reason alone - the ability for the community to add devices. Wink will never, ever catch up to the device support ST has until it allows the community to develop device handlers.

I really thought Wink's local control was going to knock ST down a peg or two, but what we got fell short of most of our expectations. With Echo, my lights were already nearly instantaneous in many cases so it wasn't much of a gain from my perspective.

In terms of what is coming, I can't stress enough that Wink is making a terrible and perhaps even fatal mistake not revealing a roadmap and generating excitement. At this point, they have nothing to lose. Their leader said new hardware is on the way - how about divulging some plans and approximate release schedules? I fear that in the interim, we're just going to see them focus on more integration with hardware no one really cares about while true needs, such as cheap sensors, are ignored.
 

RodolfoDLV

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I'm sure you're just as sick of the Wink spokeswoman on the FB group as I am.
Indeed. She is a nice lady and everything, but I just can't fathom the whole approach. I mean, the only way to get a spokeperson from them is to be part of a closed FB group.

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to be fair, Ben Kaufman was such a clueless buffoon that it probably HAS taken them all these months to clean up his mess.
Exactly this. How that guy managed to get so many funds from investors is beyond my understanding. Even when watching him for the first time on a video I knew he was a clown. And what was with that "all black" attire all the time? People, Steve Jobs didn't get famous because he wore the same outfit everyday. He was just a weirdo that had good ideas. Thinking I'll use the same everyday and I'll be like him, is as dumb as thinking "birds eat worms, ergo they fly".

I hope the best for Wink. I really do. But honestly, it can't be trusted anymore. I'll keep it so I can continue to use some products, but that's about it.
 

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I don't get the business model that allows Flex to succeed with Wink. My guess is, six months ago, they had no choice, in a desperate attempt to recoup their outstanding accounts receivable. Going forward, where's the revenue? Hardware margins aren't enough and Samsung/Amazon/et'al deep pockets mean that a subscription model is a non-starter.
 

IndyColtsFan

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They definitely will not succeed as a walled garden. I heard that Wink requires companies to pay them to certify their devices. Not sure if that is still the case, but if so, they really have no leverage at this point and should focus on allowing the community to write device handlers.
 

MjnMixael

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They definitely will not succeed as a walled garden.

People said that about Apple for years...

This whole conversations stinks of "I chose this clearly better thing, so the others will clearly topple over, go bankrupt, murder your mother, and die a horrible death."

The logic simply isn't rational. You think Wink isn't the best? That's absolutely fine! There are definitely a lot of ways that the platform could be improved. I'm willing to put up with it and help make the platform better with usable (and calm) feedback. That's probably why they keep me on the beta team.

And as far as monetization goes... it's pretty clear that no one really knows how to monetize the IoT market yet. I'm quite sure that Wink is going through all kinds of restructuring after the buyout in order to prioritize monetization. In fact, between Wink and Smartthings, I suspect we'll see two very different business methods.

Samsung will do what they've done with mobile devices for years. They'll throw anything and everything they can at the market to see what sticks. They've got the cash to do so. (Though, they have been surprisingly stubborn on Lutron ClearConnect, so perhaps I'm wrong on this one. Hell, even Apple's HomeKit works with Lutron, so I'm really shocked that Samsung didn't jump on the opportunity since they like to see themselves as a true Apple competitor.)

Wink, will probably be very motivated to figure out what makes money with careful, surgical strikes. They'll be slower and more calculated in their approach, trying to minimize business risks. I suspect they'll keep adding big name products to their ecosystem because people like my mom would buy a product with 30 logos on the box long before she'd buy one that touts community support. It's a safe bet, and it doesn't compete directly with SmartThings which targets the tech nerd crowd.
 

IndyColtsFan

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People said that about Apple for years...

This whole conversations stinks of "I chose this clearly better thing, so the others will clearly topple over, go bankrupt, murder your mother, and die a horrible death."

The logic simply isn't rational. You think Wink isn't the best? That's absolutely fine! There are definitely a lot of ways that the platform could be improved. I'm willing to put up with it and help make the platform better with usable (and calm) feedback. That's probably why they keep me on the beta team.

And as far as monetization goes... it's pretty clear that no one really knows how to monetize the IoT market yet. I'm quite sure that Wink is going through all kinds of restructuring after the buyout in order to prioritize monetization. In fact, between Wink and Smartthings, I suspect we'll see two very different business methods.

Samsung will do what they've done with mobile devices for years. They'll throw anything and everything they can at the market to see what sticks. They've got the cash to do so. (Though, they have been surprisingly stubborn on Lutron ClearConnect, so perhaps I'm wrong on this one. Hell, even Apple's HomeKit works with Lutron, so I'm really shocked that Samsung didn't jump on the opportunity since they like to see themselves as a true Apple competitor.)

Wink, will probably be very motivated to figure out what makes money with careful, surgical strikes. They'll be slower and more calculated in their approach, trying to minimize business risks. I suspect they'll keep adding big name products to their ecosystem because people like my mom would buy a product with 30 logos on the box long before she'd buy one that touts community support. It's a safe bet, and it doesn't compete directly with SmartThings which targets the tech nerd crowd.

Wink isn't Apple. Their missteps have been colossal. They simply do not have the resources to approve the vast number of products that need to be added to their ecosystem for them to be competitive. Yes, I agree the non-tech crowds might focus on logos, but when they see much cheaper alternatives next to their products with logos, they'll start wondering what is going on. This sort of issues even predates the bankruptcy; it was the height of stupidity on Kaufman's part to kill off their own branded sensors without having replacements added to the ecosystem. I mean, it has literally taken them a year to finally get a temp sensor and it is $70 - that is incredible.

I personally don't think ST is a long-term answer either - they have their own issues and questionable decisions. However, I do believe they're probably the most viable of this generation on the low end. I only bought ST because I got a good deal on the preorder and I was hedging my bets with Wink appearing to be heading for bankruptcy. I also may jump on VeraPlus once I hear feedback.
 
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RodolfoDLV

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People said that about Apple for years...

This whole conversations stinks of "I chose this clearly better thing, so the others will clearly topple over, go bankrupt, murder your mother, and die a horrible death."

The logic simply isn't rational. You think Wink isn't the best? That's absolutely fine! There are definitely a lot of ways that the platform could be improved. I'm willing to put up with it and help make the platform better with usable (and calm) feedback. That's probably why they keep me on the beta team.

And as far as monetization goes... it's pretty clear that no one really knows how to monetize the IoT market yet. I'm quite sure that Wink is going through all kinds of restructuring after the buyout in order to prioritize monetization. In fact, between Wink and Smartthings, I suspect we'll see two very different business methods.

Samsung will do what they've done with mobile devices for years. They'll throw anything and everything they can at the market to see what sticks. They've got the cash to do so. (Though, they have been surprisingly stubborn on Lutron ClearConnect, so perhaps I'm wrong on this one. Hell, even Apple's HomeKit works with Lutron, so I'm really shocked that Samsung didn't jump on the opportunity since they like to see themselves as a true Apple competitor.)

Wink, will probably be very motivated to figure out what makes money with careful, surgical strikes. They'll be slower and more calculated in their approach, trying to minimize business risks. I suspect they'll keep adding big name products to their ecosystem because people like my mom would buy a product with 30 logos on the box long before she'd buy one that touts community support. It's a safe bet, and it doesn't compete directly with SmartThings which targets the tech nerd crowd.

I'll have to agree with IndyColtsFan, here. Wink is not Apple. It is not even a close comparison. Even at Apple's lowest point in history, when Motorola was still making those hideous Mac towers, it still had a name. Wink is the entire opposite. It was a startup from within a startup. Wink could be wiped off the face of the planet, and the only people that would care would be their employees and the few hundreds, maybe thousands that have the system.

I personally couldn't care less if ST is better, or if Vera is better, or whomever. Right now I have ST because it is working better than Wink, but it is by no means my favorite choice of platform, app or anything. If another one which is better comes along, I'll try it as well. Only fanboys stick with something that doesn't work.

I agree on the brands with you, though. The reason I haven't ditched Wink is because of Nest and Lutron support. That's the only reason. If I'm going for automated blinds, I would rather get them from Bali or Serena, instead of a tiny company that just works with a hub. Same goes for Chamberlain for my garage and Rheem as a water heater. And to be fair with the LeakSmart, the kit comes with the shutoff valve and a water detector for $228, while the other shutoff valves I've seen are over $300 by themselves. What makes no sense is the price of the individual sensors.

But then you have all the problems associated with Wink. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate people like you on the Beta team to go ahead and try things that are undercooked for the rest of the people. But Wink has an immense list of problems, from speed, connectivity and worst of all, software and firmware developing. It is still inconceivable for me to split Robots apart because of midnight. Also, the issue of getting multiple notifications. And why does the app take forever to send a command to the hub? Out of 10 times you push a light or anything on the app, only about 5 or 6 get sent immediately. But the worst of all, is how they can't even get their own branded products to work well. It turns out that the Tapt, Outlink, Tripper and even the GE Links are very reliable when used with ST. This goes to show how the whole underlying code for the connected things is.

If Wink comes out tomorrow with a hub that has and Ethernet port, better connectivity to things and the actual capacity of it to process things locally, I would buy it in a split second. They can still get my data through the internet connection. But since we don't know a thing about what's going to happen, it is highly unlikely we get that.
 

Kaido

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Wink? Wink has been a joke in terms of new devices. "Hey, let's add an expensive and obscure product like Leaksmart- I mean, we STILL don't have temperature sensors available and only 1 or 2 door/window sensors from third parties, but who cares!" Want a temperature sensor for Wink? Have fun spending $70 on the standalone Leaksmart water sensor, which I believe is the only supported temperature sensor currently in production for Wink outside of buying an entire thermostat. They stopped making Trippers, Spotters, etc. almost a year ago - where are the replacements at? Why did local control take so long, only to be revealed as nothing more than what SmartThings had last September? And then we hear "But...but.....Wink's app is better!" Yeah, it is - so what? I use the app only when adding stuff - I use Alexa for almost all control.

Case in point: I purchased my Wink in August of 2014. It is now March of 2016 and there is ZERO support for ceiling fans. imo, this is one of the most basic devices you should have support for. There's fanSync from Fanimation, SimpleConnect from Hunter, SenseMe from BAF...the list goes on & on. To make matters even worse, they don't even have official support for Lutron's on/off wall switch (only the dimmer). You can get it working, but it will show up with a dimming option.

And then you have to deal with the lack of true local control (lights are great, but it sometimes takes so long to get the signal from my cell phone - via wifi - to my door lock, that I've walked from the parking lot to the front door & just punch in my code manually on the keypad), from today's API incident to February 25th's slow response time to February 18th's partial outage. Why is it that Craig can whip up Wink@Home, complete with regular updates on his G+ page for new features & device support, but we get radio silence from Wink? I'd like a roadmap too...

From there, it's easy to get frustrated with the whole HA system in general, like how Lutron doesn't let you use their Pico remotes for anything other than Caseta control. Personally, however, I have a different approach: I've decided not to worry about it. I accept my Hub for what it offers as of today, and know that it will occasionally go down due to the cloud-based system. I love it for what it does and I appreciate Wink keeping it simple, both for adding stuff & using the GUI and not having to think about the system or tinker with it too much.

The downside is that here it is 2016 & HA is still not ready for prime-time. I've stopped recommending non-techie friends to buy Wink & Wink Certified hardware because they don't understand the lag & occasional outages for something that's so expensive ($50 smoke alarms, $60 lightswitches, $70 Hub, $200 door lock, $500 blinds, etc.), especially when they have to explain their investment to their S.O. & why they spent so much money for equipment that performs worse than a $1 flip switch.

I feel like we're just on the cusp of making it great...but we've been there for a looooooong time. So rather than holding my breath, I'm just accepting it for what it is right now, today: an expensive, buggy system with limited hardware support, but enough features that I like it enough to keep around because it does add value, albeit at the expense of an occasionally frustrating user experience. My family pretty much only uses the 'backup' hardware features (i.e. the Schlage keypad, the Pico remotes, etc.) instead of the Wink app, because those features work 100% of the time. It is what it is, and I can either whine about it, toss it, or just accept it in its current state and be content until/if/when they improve.

Personally I am a big fan of the Wink platform, have been since its inception, but I can understand the frustration that people have with it. I wish it was in a better state of affairs, and I hope that they do improve, but until then, I see the faults & accept it as-is. And would really like native ceiling fan support someday
 
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IndyColtsFan

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Case in point: I purchased my Wink in August of 2014. It is now March of 2016 and there is ZERO support for ceiling fans. imo, this is one of the most basic devices you should have support for. There's fanSync from Fanimation, SimpleConnect from Hunter, SenseMe from BAF...the list goes on & on. To make matters even worse, they don't even have official support for Lutron's on/off wall switch (only the dimmer). You can get it working, but it will show up with a dimming option.

And then you have to deal with the lack of true local control (lights are great, but it sometimes takes so long to get the signal from my cell phone - via wifi - to my door lock, that I've walked from the parking lot to the front door & just punch in my code manually on the keypad), from today's API incident to February 25th's slow response time to February 18th's partial outage. Why is it that Craig can whip up Wink@Home, complete with regular updates on his G+ page for new features & device support, but we get radio silence from Wink? I'd like a roadmap too...

From there, it's easy to get frustrated with the whole HA system in general, like how Lutron doesn't let you use their Pico remotes for anything other than Caseta control. Personally, however, I have a different approach: I've decided not to worry about it. I accept my Hub for what it offers as of today, and know that it will occasionally go down due to the cloud-based system. I love it for what it does and I appreciate Wink keeping it simple, both for adding stuff & using the GUI and not having to think about the system or tinker with it too much.

The downside is that here it is 2016 & HA is still not ready for prime-time. I've stopped recommending non-techie friends to buy Wink & Wink Certified hardware because they don't understand the lag & occasional outages for something that's so expensive ($50 smoke alarms, $60 lightswitches, $70 Hub, $200 door lock, $500 blinds, etc.), especially when they have to explain their investment to their S.O. & why they spent so much money for equipment that performs worse than a $1 flip switch.

I feel like we're just on the cusp of making it great...but we've been there for a looooooong time. So rather than holding my breath, I'm just accepting it for what it is right now, today: an expensive, buggy system with limited hardware support, but enough features that I like it enough to keep around because it does add value, albeit at the expense of an occasionally frustrating user experience. My family pretty much only uses the 'backup' hardware features (i.e. the Schlage keypad, the Pico remotes, etc.) instead of the Wink app, because those features work 100% of the time. It is what it is, and I can either whine about it, toss it, or just accept it in its current state and be content until/if/when they improve.

Personally I am a big fan of the Wink platform, have been since its inception, but I can understand the frustration that people have with it. I wish it was in a better state of affairs, and I hope that they do improve, but until then, I see the faults & accept it as-is. And would really like native ceiling fan support someday

Kaido, give SmartThings a try. The number of supported devices and scenarios will overwhelm you.
 

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I'm new to this whole smart thing. My home is basically all Apple. From the watch, to the phone, to MacBook and iMac. However I've resisted HomeKit.

I've decided to do something a little different. I'm building bmy system around Amazon echo first.

I currently have the wink hub, lutron dimmer switch and a few bulbs. I'm preceding forward carefully. I don't feel any platform is the answer currently. I'm buying products that work across several platforms and will just see what happens
 

MjnMixael

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Kaido, give SmartThings a try. The number of supported devices and scenarios will overwhelm you.

Except Caseta. I know Kaido was really wanting Caseta support. It's a bummer because Caseta is a deal breaker for many of us on Wink.

There have been rumors and random threads suggesting you can do Caseta through Smartthings via Logitech Harmony -> Lutron Bridge though... but that's a hell of an investment.
 

RodolfoDLV

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I've decided to do something a little different. I'm building bmy system around Amazon echo first.

I don't feel any platform is the answer currently. I'm buying products that work across several platforms and will just see what happens

This is a wise approach. Given the update speed that Amazon has with the Echo, I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more devices added to the list. While both Wink and ST have quirks and hiccups, Alexa has never given me a headache (given that it understands you well).
 

MjnMixael

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This is a wise approach. Given the update speed that Amazon has with the Echo, I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more devices added to the list. While both Wink and ST have quirks and hiccups, Alexa has never given me a headache (given that it understands you well).

In true irony, Wink just added the ability to give Alexa control of your Nest Thermostat this morning. I would note that Alexa cannot control Nest directly even though it can control Ecobee and Sensi.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Except Caseta. I know Kaido was really wanting Caseta support. It's a bummer because Caseta is a deal breaker for many of us on Wink.

There have been rumors and random threads suggesting you can do Caseta through Smartthings via Logitech Harmony -> Lutron Bridge though... but that's a hell of an investment.

Yeah, Wink's Lutron support is one thing I wish ST had.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Amazon announced two new Echos today as well. On my phone at work so can't paste a link, but they're called the Echo Dot and Echo Tap. You can only order the Dot if you currently own an Echo and I will order one tonight.
 

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Dot ordered. Perfect compliment to my home stereo. My one complaint with the echo was the inability to actually plug directly into my stereo. This is small enough to be almost invisible in my system and it's cheap enough I can buy enough to have voice control throughout the entire house.

Wink has a chance to capitalize on the momentum of Echo and do some serious damage. The echo and Lutron are the reason why I hesitantly dipped my toes in the wink pool. I hope they recognize the opportunity
 

Kaido

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This is a wise approach. Given the update speed that Amazon has with the Echo, I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more devices added to the list. While both Wink and ST have quirks and hiccups, Alexa has never given me a headache (given that it understands you well).

More goodies from Amazon!

http://www.engadget.com/2016/03/03/amazon-debuts-two-smaller-and-cheaper-echos/

#1 - mini-Echo that you can plug into your own speakers

#2 - portable Echo with a battery

http://gizmodo.com/amazon-echosbrain-is-finally-in-gadgets-i-want-to-use-1762452486
 

MjnMixael

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Ordered my Dot already.

And in double irony, Nest just announced that it is going to fully integrate with Echo in the next 2 weeks.

I'm going to try and get my hands on a total of 3 Echo Dots. That's enough to cover all the main areas of my house... With Wink, that means I can voice control just about everything from anywhere.

In fact, in my home using Wink, Nest, Ring, Canary, MyQ, Echo.. I can control all my lights, door locks, thermostat, doorbell, water main, garage, and a few other things I can't quite discuss yet. I have sensors on most doors and in all living areas which do a lot of automation. I can voice control these things and have a very workable Home Security solution with Arm and Disarm robots. I should do a walk around video to show how it all works at some point.

The future is now, as long as you are willing to deal with a few hiccups along the way.

Last thing is that I would love full Wink and Echo support from Logitech Harmony. I have Harmony to control my home theater.. but I can't really get it into the automation. I *could* try and use IFTTT, but ugh. That service and it's up to 15 minute delay really needs to re-think its priorities in the IoT world.
 
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RodolfoDLV

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Ordered my Dot already.

In fact, in my home using Wink, Nest, Ring, Canary, MyQ, Echo.. I can control all my lights, door locks, thermostat, doorbell, water main, garage, and a few other things I can't quite discuss yet. I have sensors on most doors and in all living areas which do a lot of automation. I can voice control these things and have a very workable Home Security solution with Arm and Disarm robots. I should do a walk around video to show how it all works at some point.

True that Echo is the master of all the HA. It is very fast and convenient when turning on/off lights. Problem is, even if I fill every room with an Echo Dot, I would just feel silly going all over the house and saying "turn on XXX", and then "turn off XXX". That's what motion and contact sensors are for, but only if they interact fast enough.

Last thing is that I would love full Wink and Echo support from Logitech Harmony. I have Harmony to control my home theater.. but I can't really get it into the automation. I *could* try and use IFTTT, but ugh. That service and it's up to 15 minute delay really needs to re-think its priorities in the IoT world.

I use my Harmony hub with Echo through IFTTT, and it really doesn't take long. Even faster than a motion sensor with Wink. The problem is I don't use it because I haven't really found a use for it. Sure I can turn on my devices and set them to the appropriate input, but I still struggle to find an actual advantage of using it with Alexa.
 

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I wonder about the audiophile in general. I have a very nice home theater and a separate two channel setup. I find myself going for the easy convenience of just listening to music casually through the echo. I know that it would sound better on my home rig but I usually don't care. That's why I'm excited about the dot. I can get the ease of use of echo but bring better sound into the picture. B
 

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I'm going to try and get my hands on a total of 3 Echo Dots. That's enough to cover all the main areas of my house... With Wink, that means I can voice control just about everything from anywhere.

I'm curious if they can do multi-room sync...they might be able to bypass the lag issues by using their fancy mics for feedback...
 

Kaido

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True that Echo is the master of all the HA. It is very fast and convenient when turning on/off lights. Problem is, even if I fill every room with an Echo Dot, I would just feel silly going all over the house and saying "turn on XXX", and then "turn off XXX". That's what motion and contact sensors are for, but only if they interact fast enough.

Yup. Personally, I'm not a voice guy, I'm a button guy. Having to speak commands is way too much effort
 

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Yup. Personally, I'm not a voice guy, I'm a button guy. Having to speak commands is way too much effort

I'm more of a sensor/schedule/robot guy myself. The only time that I'm pushing buttons is to handle exceptions. Even with the limited sensors in Wink, I don't think that I've manually turned on/off anything for weeks or more.

That said, the Echo is very well done for on-demand voice-controlled HA. One of the easiest and best things that I've ever added to my system. Way, way better than past hacked voice controls that I've had which basically were a bad joke. As evidence of that, in the 30-some years that I've been "making her life more convenient" with various HA stuff, the Echo is the first thing that she really likes and uses. And that's saying a lot in her case. She's not very tolerant of things that don't work well. lol
 

MjnMixael

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I kinda do them all. I have automation working which means I haven't touched light switches in months. (Except when Wink has had issues.. which is why I insisted on Smart SWITCHES rather than Smart BULBS.)

For outstanding cases where the automation wasn't quite right, I use Echo (if it's nearby) to do turn things on/off.

And finally, the buttons are my last ditch effort. I rarely use the switches and I avoid using my phone because it's just not very streamlined.
 
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