The Wink home automation thread

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atyoyo

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It just so happens that I have a Link bulk right in between the sensor and hub. Battery is almost completely drained. Missing notifications sporadically, lights turned on mysteriously today.

I have pretty much given up on Wink. I have one more use case for a sensor I want to use it for. I hope it turns out well for everyone using Wink. I just don't care anymore. It's garbage to me. I have better things to do with my life than worry about this. I'll check back in a couple of years to get a newer system. By then I predict Wink will be gone.

So, trippers use Zigbee, which is mesh networking kind of like Z-Wave.
But passive devices, like door and window sensors don't act as part of the mesh.
So if you have outlets and switches, and Link light bulbs (anything using zigbee that's plugged in) then those devices increase the range. The signal bounces from one to the other.
So you could add a Link light bulb, or a Jasco/GE zigbee plug module, or something in between to improve that signal.
 

IndyColtsFan

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So, trippers use Zigbee, which is mesh networking kind of like Z-Wave.
But passive devices, like door and window sensors don't act as part of the mesh.
So if you have outlets and switches, and Link light bulbs (anything using zigbee that's plugged in) then those devices increase the range. The signal bounces from one to the other.
So you could add a Link light bulb, or a Jasco/GE zigbee plug module, or something in between to improve that signal.

I was wondering about that. I could also potentially move the hub closer (maybe actually into the garage) and see if it can still control the lights in the house.
 

ieee_raider

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It just so happens that I have a Link bulk right in between the sensor and hub. Battery is almost completely drained. Missing notifications sporadically, lights turned on mysteriously today.

I have pretty much given up on Wink. I have one more use case for a sensor I want to use it for. I hope it turns out well for everyone using Wink. I just don't care anymore. It's garbage to me. I have better things to do with my life than worry about this. I'll check back in a couple of years to get a newer system. By then I predict Wink will be gone.

I know this might sound like a dumb question, but just to make sure...
Is the bulb powered on? (even if not turned on, does it have power to it) Because if it's on a switch that's off, then it wouldn't act as a repeater.

I'm pretty sure the Link bulbs work as repeaters. I know the plug-in dimmers do, I assume the Links do.

Good luck!
 
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Kaido

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It just so happens that I have a Link bulk right in between the sensor and hub. Battery is almost completely drained. Missing notifications sporadically, lights turned on mysteriously today.

I have pretty much given up on Wink. I have one more use case for a sensor I want to use it for. I hope it turns out well for everyone using Wink. I just don't care anymore. It's garbage to me. I have better things to do with my life than worry about this. I'll check back in a couple of years to get a newer system. By then I predict Wink will be gone.

As much as I babysit this thread & love the concept, I understand your decision. It's not acceptable to be asked to invest hundreds of dollars in a system with subpar performance. I just read over the last couple of pages of posts here & it's nothing but bugs. I really, really want them to get better, but as it stands, the Wink Hub is a toy, not a reliable household fixture. That's just how it is at the present time.

I've been considering my own home automation choices moving forward. I am planning on buying my first home later this year, so this was a test-run for a fuller integration down the road. I'm leaning towards multiple independent systems. Here's what I have in mind so far:

1. HVAC: I will either go with Space-Pak (high velocity HVAC) or Mitsubishi Mr. Slim H2i (mini-split ductless). I would prefer the Mr. Slims, despite the ugly factor, because I can control each room individually. However, they have close to zero integration, which is super annoying for how advanced of a system they are. I'm hoping that changes down the road with another model revision. Anyway, my ideal setup would be Wifi control through the Honeywell Wifi Thermostat: ($189)

http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-TH93...dp/B00FLZEQH2/

The Nest & Lyric are too much for me. My requirements are (1) remote control, and (2) basic scheduling, that's it. In my ideal setup, I would have the Mr. Slims setup in every room along with a central Honeywell for command distribution. It's bound to happen at some point, the integration just needs to catch up. Also, I'd prefer not to do hacks...I want turnkey, OOTB support for this & everything else on my list.

2. Locks: Okidokeys, hands-down. Nothing else compares. Base price is $189 & you add on the features & locks that you want.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36948214&postcount=238

3. Cameras: QNAP security NAS & AXIS cameras. Pretty easy. A bit more info:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36913598&postcount=226

4. Lights & Shades: Currently leaning towards the Lutron Smart Bridge:

http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Products/Pages/SingleRoomControls/CasetaWireless/Overview.aspx

Not overly excited about it, but based on their great Pico remotes & whatnot, I'd imagine it's a solid system. In this setup what I would really like is control modules rather than their flat light switches, which I don't care for. Ideally I'd use toggle switches on the wall, just as a dumb signal switch to a smart relay - tap up for on (springs back to center) or tap down for off (returns back to center), so that you can have as many switches as you want (like in my current split entry, where's there's one at the front door, one at the top of the stairs, and one at the bottom of the stairs, and you have to end up flipping them all in a certain order once in awhile to get the light on haha). Something like this would be perfect:

http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/e...ouble-Pole-Double-Throw-20A-120-277V-AC-White

Because I strongly prefer flip switches that stick out like that, I'm considering going with a centralized solid-state relay system. National Control Devices has the perfect getup:

https://controlanything.com/

Then for motorized shades, I'd like a double roller shade ideally - one sunscreen (transparent light-colored) and one for sunblock (black or dark with a light-blocking layer). That way I could have the window totally open for the sun, or let light through without being overly bright, or completely dark out the room, like for using my projector. Somfy is kind of the leader of this segment; they have their own MyLink system:

http://www.somfysystems.com/products/controls-integration/mylink

So I could do NCD & Somfy for the lights & shades and be done with it. A simple app for each. Not a huge deal to flip between, and I'm not overly concerned about IFTTT linking since I like to operate most things manually or on a schedule because I like simple, straightforward controls, which can be done within the individual apps. I don't have any real desire for fancy lighting, either - not much interest in color-changing lights & whatnot; I mostly just use the 100-watt Philips LED lights for everything, and then the 60-watt Philips SlimStyle LED lights for reading lamps since they're softer & diffuse well.

5. Home Theater & Audio: Roku on each TV running Plex off the kitchen PC/NAS, plus all the various channels we use (Netflix, Youtube, etc.). Simple. For whole-house audio, I already have my DIY speakers & ceiling subs designed with an Airplay-backed solution per-room, although that might be changed to Google Cast since it appears to be multi-platform compatible. Amazon Echo also looks interesting, although it's an invite-only beta.

6. Kitchen: My current "command center" is a 21" HP Slate Pro 21 Android tablet, which keeps my recipe, family calendar, multiple kitchen timers, weather, clock, and so on. That will run all of the associated apps above too (thermostat, cameras, lights, shades, yada yada yada).

7. Power: I'm not really interested in smart outlets. I want everything to be built into the ceiling (180-degree cameras, smart smoke alarms like the Nest Protect, BAF Haiku fans, speakers, etc.). I'd probably do a TED Pro Spyder system for monitoring circuits for an overall energy picture, since I'd like to do a grid-tied solar power system with a SYNAP6 ATS. Maybe throw in a whole-house surge protector & whole-house gas generator for good measure

There's a few fiddly bits with this idea. Like, having door & window open/close sensors like the Tripper would be great. I'd prefer doing low-voltage wiring to a central hub, however - no batteries to change ever. So that's where something like the SmartThings Hub might come in - 3G data backup, battery backup, local control, etc., but I wouldn't be totally reliant on it for operation. Plus, that's not really necessarily how I even use my system now - if I want to change the heat, I'd just pull up the Honeywell app. If I want to turn off all the lights, I'd just pull up the Lutron app. Okidokeys would handle the front & back doors, as well as the garage doors & any gates. Easy. The dependencies of creating macros isn't a dealbreaker for me personally because I like more manual control, I'd just like it to be a bit simpler & via remote control than physical control all the time. Again, I lean more towards the home automation side of things rather than the smarthome side of things where it automates stuff for you.

Now all I need is a house & a big pile of money!
 

MjnMixael

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Kaido, I haven't tested it (yet).. but I think a good alternative to Amazon echo is some cheaper Android devices running Tasker. You can use a Tasker plugin to have them listen for voice commands and then Tasker can, based on the command, perform any action you want. I'm going to try one in my theater that I'm building... walk in the room, say something like "hello theater" and everything starts turning on.
 
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Kaido, I haven't tested it (yet).. but I think a good alternative to Amazon echo is some cheaper Android devices running Tasker. You can use a Tasker plugin to have them listen for voice commands and then Tasker can, based on the command, perform any action you want. I'm going to try one in my theater that I'm building... walk in the room, say something like "hello theater" and everything starts turning on.

I'm using tasker to script both my Wink as well as my Wemo devices. I use the AutoVoice, AutoLocation plug-ins. I'm pretty close to getting everything working, though Sunday and Monday nights my hub decided to take a vacation:'(.
 

Kaido

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Kaido, I haven't tested it (yet).. but I think a good alternative to Amazon echo is some cheaper Android devices running Tasker. You can use a Tasker plugin to have them listen for voice commands and then Tasker can, based on the command, perform any action you want. I'm going to try one in my theater that I'm building... walk in the room, say something like "hello theater" and everything starts turning on.

Yeah, I've been messing around with Open Mic+ on my HP Slate 21 Pro in my kitchen:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.RSen.OpenMic.Pheonix&hl=en

There's some neat stuff you can do with voice macros for sure! The kicker will be if Echo's super mic system really works as advertised.
 

Kaido

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I'm using tasker to script both my Wink as well as my Wemo devices. I use the AutoVoice, AutoLocation plug-ins. I'm pretty close to getting everything working, though Sunday and Monday nights my hub decided to take a vacation:'(.

Yeah, it'd be neat to see someone push out a custom firmware for the Wink that has the Internet link portion of the code disabled. Tie that into OpenHAB or something similar like the one video linked above & just use it as a radio relay to your devices.
 

nyvram

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2 things:

The Honeywell 8580 touchscreens are rock solid WiFi thermostats and can be routinely purchased for $70 on amazon marketplace. I have 2 and love them.

2. Re: okeylocks. I don't like them. Where is the keypad entry if you don't have your phone on you? For the same price I would get a schlage in a heartbeat. I absolutely love mine and I see they have some new ones at CES that also work with voice control.

I don't get the okeydokey locks. Don't see the advantage.
 

Kneedragger

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2 things:

The Honeywell 8580 touchscreens are rock solid WiFi thermostats and can be routinely purchased for $70 on amazon marketplace. I have 2 and love them.

Can those be remotely controlled without needing to pay a monthly service?
 

nyvram

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Correct and it appears $70 is at least half of what it goes for brand new factory sealed ($149).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00EP6C8UA/


yep, and they can be added to WINK or run with the free honeywell app. no fees.

the seller - MSWORLD 3 is legit on Amazon marketplace. i've sent a dozen people to him and bought 2 from him myself. His prices fluxuate but I see he's got some in stock right now for $69.

Thats a steal.

 

TexasWinkUser

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Dec 18, 2014
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ok...whatever WINK has done now (iOS app update this morning) has completely broken everything in my house. Think I'm going to try to call and insist they take everything back. I've had my hub and pivot power genius for just over 30 days, but my link bulbs and trippers less. Will post here what happens. They need a new team of programmers.
 

Paul_Ghattas

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I currently have the schlage lever keypad zwave non touch screen connected to my Vera 3 controller. The Vera gives me full control of the lock such as add/delete pin codes set scheduled restrictions to individuals users, and set individual alerts for each pin code entered and even set triggers to lock the door if it's been unlocked for X amount of seconds . From the lack of information Ive read so far, all I can find wink can do is just lock and unlock. Please tell me that is not the full capability of a lock connected to wink hub. Any documentation of full capability of wink has with zwave locks?
 

nyvram

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I currently have the schlage lever keypad zwave non touch screen connected to my Vera 3 controller. The Vera gives me full control of the lock such as add/delete pin codes set scheduled restrictions to individuals users, and set individual alerts for each pin code entered and even set triggers to lock the door if it's been unlocked for X amount of seconds . From the lack of information Ive read so far, all I can find wink can do is just lock and unlock. Please tell me that is not the full capability of a lock connected to wink hub. Any documentation of full capability of wink has with zwave locks?


well, yes and no. its true wink only provides lock/unlock status (and triggers for the same) for the schlage deadbolt.

however, you can create profiles in wink for other users and give them access to the deadbolt.

then your activity feed will show 'unlocked by Joe blow at 7:30pm' so you can see who is coming into your house and also remove them if you want.

*HOWEVER*

because it doesnt support programming, you cant give each user a unique code and identify who is coming in that way.

in other words, if you have a keypad code used by multiple people and they are entering the house that way, wink can't tell you anything other than it was unlocked at such-and-such time.

only by people using their PHONES to unlock the door using the WINK APP can you get the detail of who is coming and going.

i agree, if there are more zwave api functions available, wink should support them since the schlage doesn't have a stand-alone app like HONEYWELL or CHAMBERLAIN or NEST.
 

Paul_Ghattas

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well, yes and no. its true wink only provides lock/unlock status (and triggers for the same) for the schlage deadbolt.

however, you can create profiles in wink for other users and give them access to the deadbolt.

then your activity feed will show 'unlocked by Joe blow at 7:30pm' so you can see who is coming into your house and also remove them if you want.

*HOWEVER*

because it doesnt support programming, you cant give each user a unique code and identify who is coming in that way.

in other words, if you have a keypad code used by multiple people and they are entering the house that way, wink can't tell you anything other than it was unlocked at such-and-such time.

only by people using their PHONES to unlock the door using the WINK APP can you get the detail of who is coming and going.

i agree, if there are more zwave api functions available, wink should support them since the schlage doesn't have a stand-alone app like HONEYWELL or CHAMBERLAIN or NEST.
Thanks for the info. It looks like I'll be keeping my Vera 3 to control my locks but maybe check out wink for lights and shades.
 

MjnMixael

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The Schlage lock features, including showing battery status, has been brought up by multiple people on the beta team with discussion from the Wink team. It's definitely on their radar.
 

colinnwn

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I have 3 GE Link lights turned on by a schedule. Half the time all go on and off in sync, the other half the time one or 2 lights are missed, and not the same ones each time. I've resorted to 2 schedules the 2nd one minute after the first, doing the same thing.

So far, so good. Until Wink fixes their flaky system response, and inability to do polling to validate the requested status was acted on, they could very easily send double commands to the device for every command in the schedule. Then I wouldn't have to do this silliness...

Of course before I did too much research I updated my hub taking out the root exploit. Does anyone know if a root exploit has been found for updated hubs? If not, the next time I see them on sale at Home Depot for $20 or less I'll just grab another. I can't imagine these fire sales going away with their cruddy quality.
 
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nyvram

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The Schlage lock features, including showing battery status, has been brought up by multiple people on the beta team with discussion from the Wink team. It's definitely on their radar.

how does one get on the beta team? honestly i write software for a living and would love to chat with them about the product. i still believe its a killer piece of hardware..particularly for the price..but i'm constantly shaking my head at how frustrating it is to make things happen on it.
 

TexasWinkUser

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It just occurred to me that all my wink products are "Quirky".

Just got off the phone with them (hardly any wait...which is a first for me) and it appears that I should be able return everything.

What's the deal with Home Kit? There were a few homekit items released at CES this week, but still nothing on what it really is or when it will be launched. I was hoping that maybe homekit could takeover for wink and then everything will just work.

Really need to sit back and figure out how much i've actually spent on this so far. I'm not out a ton of money, but it's very frustrating trying to figure out what's going to work today and what won't work tomorrow. Anybody know much about this INSTEON hub that was announced at CES? I haven't done any research on insteon products.
 
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mcrimm

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In an earlier post, I mentioned I was receiving a Smartthings hub. It came yesterday and is now up and running. I disconnected my Wink hub and paired my 2 Leviton 15a switches and my Leviton dimmer. All went fine. I also paired both my wife's and my iphone.

I set up a 1,000 foot fence around my home for automation and played a little.

The iphone app is complex and not real intuitive. The lag on controling lignts is variable form quick to up to a 15 second delay. I have only built one action - that is to turn on a set of 8 exterior lights and 4 interior spots when I break the fence between 5:00 and midnight. I'll test that tonight.

I see a new Smartthings hub is coming in the spring based on CES reports and I see Logitech has a Harmony Remote that integrates with Smartthings as well.

I'll keep you up to date as I play.

Mike
 

nyvram

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It just occurred to me that all my wink products are "Quirky".

Really need to sit back and figure out how much i've actually spent on this so far. I'm not out a ton of money, but it's very frustrating trying to figure out what's going to work today and what won't work tomorrow. Anybody know much about this INSTEON hub that was announced at CES? I haven't done any research on insteon products.

my advice is to not buy quirky products that ONLY work with wink. i will still get 100% functionality out of my chamberlain garage door opener, 2 honeywell thermostats, schlage deadbolt and kidde smoke alarm and lightbulbs.

as for the GE link bulbs remote control, if another hub comes along that's better I imagine I can hook them up to it.

so I guess i'm lucky because nothing i currently own is unusable if i took my hub out in the backyard & blew it up.
 

TexasWinkUser

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ok...whatever WINK has done now (iOS app update this morning) has completely broken everything in my house. Think I'm going to try to call and insist they take everything back. I've had my hub and pivot power genius for just over 30 days, but my link bulbs and trippers less. Will post here what happens. They need a new team of programmers.

Ok...so a hub reboot fixed it all. Maybe i'll plug my hub into a wemo switch so i can do remote reboots of it.



Just once I'd like to come on here and brag about how great this system is.
 
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MjnMixael

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I had my hub plugged in to a Pivot Power Genius for a while. Mine's been solid for good while so I removed the Genius a while back.
 

fletchb

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Hi,
Recently picked up the Wink hub and have some lighting questions maybe some of you can help with?

When I bought my house about 9 years ago, I installed Insteon switches and was able to control them via software. They have worked well, but looking for something that will work with Wink (or smart things if Wink doesn't make it).

I initially tried 2 Lutron Caseta switches, but was disappointed with that brand as both burned up almost instantly. I have re-installed the Insteons but still wanting to replace them so I don't have to leave them ON to control the GE bulbs in my overhead den/greatroom light.

So can someone recommend a good quality switch that works well with Wink- shows switch state and perhaps can work with smartthings?


My insteons replaced a 4 way switch (3 switches in my den). Only 1 actually controls the load while the other 2 are just remotes. This is what the Lutrons claimed to do but they never lasted long enough to find out. So I need a switch that can have 2 remotes if that makes sense?


Also a quick question about lighting and robots. Can you use a light state to trigger a robot? I have seen it inferred in older posts but can't find that option on mine. For ex I can only start a robot by my gps location. If home, then turn on the light. But not , if light on, send email. Of course by shedule also, but that is it.

This is a good thread of info. Best I have found so far.

Thanks,
Fletch
 
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