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IndyColtsFan

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Well, if they implement local commands before SmartThings 2.0 comes out, that might make me reconsider staying with them. They also need to add much greater support for lots of the cheaper z-wave devices out there.

Also Wink support confirms there is an issue with battery life on the Tripper and will be pushing out an update soon to correct it.
 

ieee_raider

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Well I have been following this thread for sometime now. I bought a new home in December and wanted to set up some home automation. I remember back in 1990's when I first saw "the Butler in the Box" system. Now with the smart phones and tablets it is time to see what I can do. I did some research on the systems out there and did not want to have a monthly service fee. I went with the wink system because I feel I can use the devices with apple home kit and other systems later if need be. Here is what I have now:

Wink Hub
Wink Relay (not installed yet)
3 GE link bulbs (only one installed)
Schlage Lock
Honeywell Wifi Thermostat.
Chamberlin Garage Door opener (not installed yet)
1 Leviton Light switch (not installed)
2 Trippers (1 installed 1 not)

So far all has worked ok. I have not done any shortcuts, robots or geofencing yet. I just use it to monitor my house and control when I am away. I am adding items slowly. I do have a few questions.

1) I changed my house to all Cree LED lights. What is the best switch to install to control them. Not interested in Dimming them, just on and off.

2) Is it better to control a switch with 3 bulbs or have 3 link bulbs controlled as a group.

I have a few questions on the install of the relay but will post them in a separate post.

Thanks
1. The best value switches are Linear Z-Wave. They have dimming and non-dimming versions. Regularly available for $30~$35. TigerDirect will do bundle deals sometimes that get the price closer to $20 each after rebate.
2. I prefer, in general, to have 1 controlled switch with 3 regular bulbs, and here's why: If you want to turn off a Link bulb without wink, then you have to turn off the switch that it's on. That cuts off power to the bulb and it's no longer controllable by Wink. With controlled switches, the switch always has power. So you can manually turn off the switch then turn it back on from Wink, or vice versa.
 

brinkbart

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Also Wink support confirms there is an issue with battery life on the Tripper and will be pushing out an update soon to correct it.


I'm not surprised, but I do have a question. Why aren't people being fired for these botched releases? Really, Wink. Is everything you put out going to have an issue?

If Wink were any other kind of company selling unreliable or poor quality products, they'd have gone under by now. Luckily for them home automation is interesting and it's highly sought-after. Consumers want to live in the future.

I want to be clear, I have had zero problems with my hub and setup. Robots run, schedules run, shortcuts work, for like, 99.99% of the time I need them.

I just hope Wink can get the rest of its act together with the astonishing leeway they've been given. Because I'm ready to stop 'controlling' and start 'automating' !!!!

You know what? I think they can. I'm still a Wink cheerleader!
 
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brinkbart

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Did anyone see the Quirky CEO in this video: http://youtu.be/Y5VCyu_rBjs ?

I found him to be very cavalier and immature compared to the other panelists. In contrast, the SmartThings guy was very well-spoken and more put-together. It's like some weird analogy for their respective product lines.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I'll give Wink until SmartThings 2.0's release to shape up. To be honest, for my limited usage scenarios, it just might make sense to stay with Wink if they work out the bugs. There are some cool z-wave devices I'd like them to support (like the portable AC controller), but I am not sure it warrants switching if they don't.
 

Bolter303

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Just a off topic question. Does anyone have the Cree LED bulbs from Home Depot. I changed my entire house to LED. I did this back in December and since then I have had 4 die already. None of the lights are in dimmers. They are inside and out, the dead ones were all inside. I took them back to HD and they said they will cover them all for 90 days, after that I have to go to Cree. The package says they will last 13 years. The guy at HD said they could be a bad batch, or damaged during shipment. I have a email off to Cree to see what they say.
 

brinkbart

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Just a off topic question. Does anyone have the Cree LED bulbs from Home Depot.


I have two dimmable, non-connected Cree bulbs from Home Depot. They are not on a dimmer switch. So far so good.

Going to get more soon. Just have to find something to do with all those pesky CFLs I dropped hundreds of dollars on in the last four years.
 

atyoyo

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Wow. Just wow. This aligns with my past comments about how there is something seriously wrong with the Wink management/development process. I did some more searching for the Quirky CEO background and found this:
http://startupbook.co/2013/05/12/qu...n-company-by-building-physical-retail-stores/

"graduated from high school with a 1.7 GPA"
"started his first company, Mophie, with $185,000 of his parent’s money"

He comes across as someone with a 1.7 GPA with rich parents.

Did anyone see the Quirky CEO in this video: http://youtu.be/Y5VCyu_rBjs ?

I found him to be very cavalier and immature compared to the other panelists. In contrast, the SmartThings guy was very well-spoken and more put-together. It's like some weird analogy for their respective product lines.
 

ieee_raider

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I have two dimmable, non-connected Cree bulbs from Home Depot. They are not on a dimmer switch. So far so good.

Going to get more soon. Just have to find something to do with all those pesky CFLs I dropped hundreds of dollars on in the last four years.
I think they're great. Especially the new "4 flow" version that looks more like a light bulb than anything else in the market by a mile.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Wow. Just wow. This aligns with my past comments about how there is something seriously wrong with the Wink management/development process. I did some more searching for the Quirky CEO background and found this:
http://startupbook.co/2013/05/12/qu...n-company-by-building-physical-retail-stores/

"graduated from high school with a 1.7 GPA"
"started his first company, Mophie, with $185,000 of his parent’s money"

He comes across as someone with a 1.7 GPA with rich parents.

His LinkedIn profile is awful too:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kluster
 

enyce9

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Can anyone confirm whether a Lutron Caseta in-wall dimmer can be "paired" with the wink hub and a pico remote simultaneously?

Some dude on the Lutron forums said last year they could not: https://forums.lutron.com/showthrea...s-dimmer-with-Remote-to-Wink-Hub-How-to-guide

Just wondering, because I would be using the dimmer and remote in a 3-way setup, and I'm only considering Lutron for its Wink compatibility.

Yes it can be done. That's how mine is set up. I think you have to pair the remote first then the actual 3way dimmer next. Then in the wink app set the remote to control the dimmer. Its been a while since I set mine up
 

ieee_raider

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So would it be worth filling this guy's linked in inbox with emails about how they need to get their act together?

The funny thing is their business concept with Quirky is social product development... but with Wink, there's no social integration at all. SmartThings has a nice community set up... not so much with Wink.
 

brinkbart

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I think you have to pair the remote first then the actual 3way dimmer next. Then in the wink app set the remote to control the dimmer. Its been a while since I set mine up


Not exactly what I wanted to hear

Sigh. I don't want Wink as the go-between. I want the pico remote to talk to the dimmer switch directly. What a bummer.
 

MjnMixael

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No, Wink does not work as a go-between during normal-day operation when using the Lutron/Pico setup.

First you pair your dimmer to Wink. Then you pair your remote. You use the Wink app to set which lights that remote will control. From then on, the remote will work with that light even if the Wink hub is powered off.

To be fair, this is the same way it would work for Lutron's own Caseta bridge. This is because the Caseta setup inside the Wink hub is apparently a full Caseta bridge anyway.
 

brinkbart

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No, Wink does not work as a go-between during normal-day operation when using the Lutron/Pico setup.

First you pair your dimmer to Wink. Then you pair your remote. You use the Wink app to set which lights that remote will control. From then on, the remote will work with that light even if the Wink hub is powered off.

To be fair, this is the same way it would work for Lutron's own Caseta bridge. This is because the Caseta setup inside the Wink hub is apparently a full Caseta bridge anyway.


Perfect! So the Wink Hub basically pairs your remote to the dimmer switch for you then? That makes sense, and makes me feel much better, as I just purchased it lol.
 

Kaido

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Did anyone see the Quirky CEO in this video: http://youtu.be/Y5VCyu_rBjs ?

I found him to be very cavalier and immature compared to the other panelists. In contrast, the SmartThings guy was very well-spoken and more put-together. It's like some weird analogy for their respective product lines.

Great video, thanks. Some thoughts:

1. I think Samsung was smart to acquire SmartThings, as well as leaving them independent, giving them backing into their 600+ million products per a year, and committing to an open platform. imo that is HUGE.

2. Interesting to see Home Depot on that panel. Realistically, that's what needs to happen.

3. Even more interesting to see IFTTT represented there. imo that is the core of the smarthome: there is a change (an input), which triggers an action, which creates an output. Wink needs kind of an "advanced" model that you can jump into for IFTTT, which iirc they said was coming at some point. Right now I think Indigo probably has the strongest offering for full customizability:

https://www.indigodomo.com/

However, I don't want to have the controller on my computer, for a number of reasons, which is why I like the idea of the upcoming SmartThings 2.0 hub, which has a 3G chip & backup battery. And part of the issue is that everything is all over the place right now. Wink has the best hub in terms of radios. Indigo has great programmability. SmartThings has the best features in their new model, as well as the enormous Samsung product line to integrate. ADT has a great security service. But then you have companies that limit functionality...Hue, Lutron, etc. If they continue doing that, a Chinese competitor will probably come out with an improved kirf & outsell them.

I agree, the SmartThings guy was very well-spoken. Samsung has done him a huge favor by creating a truly open system. Like he said, it will remove fear from consumers, and in an arena that already has a lot of barriers, that's a big deal. Interesting to see the Quirky guy say that all of the Quirky products will be open as well. And he has a good point about wearing 2 hats: you get a really good product not by design by committee, but by having trained people focusing on making a specific, good product.

The SmartThings guy talked about layers, and that Samsung's SmartThings hub doesn't necessarily need to be the intelligence layer. And they recognize that they aren't going to be the sole provider of all connected devices within a home, so the physical device layer will be very diverse as well. I think this is where it's going to split off into what you want to do, i.e. your mom & dad would go with a simple Wink system, where no programming is required & it's all plug & play, but you would go with maybe a SmartThings system, where you could do some really complex IFTTT stuff.

I think one of the keys is really making the hardware work well. INSTEON had that problem with their powerline stuff, which sometimes had signal issues, so they went to a dual-band system, which improved command reception. Zwave, well, my opinion of Zwave is that it is a mediocre system. They talk it up, but it doesn't deliver 100% results. ZigBee & Kidde have actually give me the best results so far. Clouds aren't bad, as long as they are reliable - ADP security has a pretty strong backing for that (as does Alarm.com), Honeywell is pretty solid for Thermostats (as is Nest), and right now Wink is not very reliable in terms of the cloud. Thread (ZigBee IPv6) has a lot of promise, in theory at least:

http://www.threadgroup.org/technology.aspx

Going back to layers, the ADT guy touched on a good point about choosing which user experience you want. If you're security-focused, ADT is a great turnkey system. If you just want to solve some simple problems, Wink is great. If you're into tinkering & customization, SmartThings is great. As we know from Apple's impact on the smartphone market, there are an awful lot of people (myself included) who really like the simplicity of nice icons, an easy interface, and a low barrier to using & learning, so I think Wink could have a lot of success, provided they fix a few things.

I also found it interesting that CNET is strongly pursuing the smarthome review segment, especially by moving that guy out a new location & snagging a warehouse. I'm glad there's kind of a central place testing & reviewing this stuff. And like they said, they have to keep ALL devices open if they're going to succeed long-term. From there, you choose if you want simple or programmable, subscription or standalone, etc.

One other note - I think that wearables will be a big control source in the future. My brother got a Microsoft Band and I think that's really the way of the future - not necessarily a huge watch like the Samsung Gear or the Apple iWatch, but maybe something more like a slim Jawbone bracelet (which I have & love), but with an e-ink screen in the style of the MS Band that can be read outdoors & have great battery life, and also have a touchscreen for quick control of things like lights & seeing notifications. Personally I'm not a big fan of talking for control, because I'd rather just push a button on a screen & not expend the energy & effort of speaking (#firstworldproblems) to do something. Granted, we'll see how the Amazon Echo goes over time in terms of becoming a Star Trek-esqe communicator.
 

Kaido

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Did anyone see the Quirky CEO in this video: http://youtu.be/Y5VCyu_rBjs ?

One other thing: I question how much connectivity is really necessary. Manufacturers, of course, are more than happy to sell us everything & anything, but how much do we really need? They talked about some really interesting usage-case ideas using ambient intelligence, i.e. having beacons in your home tied to your smartphone so that if you open the medicine cabinet, you don't get an alert, but if your toddler does, it shoots you an alarm. That's pretty cool, but...just put them in a locked cabinet out of reach, you know?

One of the things I picked up recently was a 21" Android tablet for my kitchen, which has grown just super super useful in my home. More info here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2414913

Just to recap some of the things I use it for:

1. Recipes: Got rid of all of the cookbooks & recipe notebooks in my kitchen. I buy the Kindle versions of cookbooks whenever possible as well, so that I don't have to store a paper copy somewhere (and so I can search it). Evernote gives you a free account that you can store your recipes & notes in, and you can more conveniently type them up on your computer so that you can simply pull them up on the big screen when you're doing your food prep.

2. Notes: I have Google Docs app for this (the one that does Word, specifically). Everything from emergency contacts to the shopping list.

3. Calendars: Family calendar, chores calendar, house & car maintenance calendar (everything from oil change reminders to when to change the furnace filter), etc.

4. Entertainment: Youtube, Netflix, iHeartRadio, Pandora, Spotify, and various games. It's nice to keep my toddler entertained for a few minute while I'm cooking something up, or play a quick game of Angry Birds or whatever while you're microwaving something.

5. Smarthome: Foscam baby cam, Wink control app, etc.

Due to the size, it's a permanent fixture in my kitchen. Most of my friends just use like an iPad or a cheap Android tablet with a little kickstand, but I prefer having it be part of the scenery, as well as having the larger screen to make it easier to read from across the room as I'm moving around doing different things. Although it is handy to move the smaller 7" & 10" portable tablets to wherever you're working at.

Anyway, the overall point is that this particular device does an awful lot of things for me, in a fairly off-the-shelf manner. From there, I'd like to tie in some further automation - security (door/window sensors, garage door & deadbolt locks, motion sensors, cameras), efficiency (HVAC, lighting, and window treatment control), and so on. But I want it all to play nice together & not have to think about it ever again. Right now, Wink is constantly on my mind because I never know if it's going to work or not. It's not invisible to me - it either works, or it's an annoyance because it doesn't work, particularly things they say should work (like scheduling), which has a very poor track record of actually working.

They'll get there, eventually, and I'm glad to see they're headed in the right direction. I think the combination of social media & access to cheap manufacturing has made the game go in this direction, because threads like this have over 100k views with dozens of pages of replies, and it's not to hard for a competitor to clone your stuff, make it better, and take over your marketshare. So I'm all for (1) 100% open products that work with ANY system, and (2) having each Hub manufacturer create their own unique user experience.

It's kind of like with Apple & Android - if you like simple, Apple is the way to go. If you like to tinker, Android is amazing. But Apple is not very good if you like to tinker, and Android isn't always super easy to get into with a consistent user interface & regular updates. So I think it will kind of head down that direction, or at least, I hope it will continue to do so. Honestly, as much as I like smarthome stuff, I'd really like to spend a few grand, set everything up, have it all "just work", and never think about it again. I've invested waaaaay too many hours thinking about smart lights & stuff like that haha. Not that that's bad, but there comes a point where I want to be done futzing with my Wink and have it work invisibly in the background, you know?
 

brinkbart

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but I prefer having it be part of the scenery, as well as having the larger screen to make it easier to read from across the room


Any chance we could see a photo of this tablet installation? I am interested in same if it means I don't have to buy a Relay (which I want so terribly badly).
 

ieee_raider

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Any chance we could see a photo of this tablet installation? I am interested in same if it means I don't have to buy a Relay (which I want so terribly badly).

I'll post mine when I get a chance.
I use a 10" quad-core no-name android I picked up for $50 around black friday.
Bad viewing angles but otherwise great.
 

brinkbart

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A user on this thread mentioned designing (maybe also 3D-printing) a switch plate that included a mounting space for an old iPod/iPhone, in response to Wink's rather expensive Relay... I would support this endeavor. He or she should do a kickstarter soon, lest I steal the idea.

......if only I weren't so lazy...
 
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