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mcrimm

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I'm new to this as well. I saw the HD ad in store because I was looking for a way to control 2 sets of outdoor lights from my iPhone in winter. Days are really, really short in NW Montana in December and I have about 15 - 100 watt bulbs on 2 circuits that I wanted control over. I found the Wink hub and saw the $0.99 deal and looked all over for 2 high wattage switches. No luck. I finally found a guy who know a little about the system and claimed they had Leviton switches in stock. The computer showed these had arrived 30 days ago but were not put out.

To the credit of the clerk, he looked for about 30 minutes before spying a box way up top that contained 2 - 15A switches. Perfect. $90 later (No sales tax and military discount) I was headed home.

I was surprised the hub came with no instructions and no Ethernet connection. I downloaded the app to my phone and plunged in. The hub found my internet from my Apple Airport Extreme - latest model. Within an hour I had on switch in and working........30 minutes later the second was in and working on occasion.

Over the last 2 days I have had problems with consistency. I have deleted the switches, reset them per Leviton instruction, and re-paired. I did this again last night and had good - but lagging - consistency.

This morning I didn't have 2 switches on my iPhone but 6. I am not sure where these came from and I haven't had the time to check them all.

I like this conceptually, especially for $90, but I don't see making further investments until some of these bugs are worked out. I like the fact that I can scan the barcode of a switch and the app instructs me how to pair. Nice touch.

Come on Home Depot. In reading this entire thread, it sounds like the whole company has blown the launch. I think people would be all over this if they were educated as to the capabilities offered. I'll bet every household has some specific need to either control or monitor that would have them look at this system.

A large installed base would help us all.

I'm optimistic...............
Mike
 

Kaido

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A large installed base would help us all.

Welcome to the forums & thanks for the review!

I'm in the same boat...I bought a couple of smart switches (pricey at $60 each...ouch!), but I also want to limit my investment until the kinks get worked out. Right now I can jump to the Lutron Smart Bridge (very basic) or the Staples Connect hub (pretty decent) if I need to (since I got Lutron's ClearConnect Caseta switches).

I'm surprised that the Wink Hub didn't come with (1) an Ethernet port (and cable), and (2) a WPS button. I understand wanting to make it wireless (especially to keep it within radio range of other smart devices in your house, if your wireless router isn't near them to begin with), but imagine how easy installation would have been if they had included a 6' Ethernet cable that you could just pop in & be instantly ready for setup. Also, that would solve another issue - per their FAQ:

The HUB should be located at least 3' away from any other Wi-Fi device (including the router).

If they included a 6-foot Ethernet cable, they could put a label (one of those stick-out tag stickers) halfway on the cable stating that the Wink Hub must be at least 3 feet away from other wireless devices, so you would know right away during setup that you needed to avoid that particular location configuration. This is enough of an issue that they've had to put it in their FAQ (I've seen the interference issue mentioned in some reviews online as well).

I'm hoping the lag & consistency bugs we're seeing are just the early days of the system. Their upcoming $250 relay offering is a serious piece of hardware & I'd hate to see that screwed up due to crappy cloud service. This is also why I think that relay data should be stored & transmitted locally if you're on the home's wireless network - it can be mirrored to the cloud for offsite configuration backup & remote access for control away from home, but then you wouldn't have the weird quirks of a cloud-based relay system. Again, from what I understand, they have improved their offline caching, but that's as much as we know right now - no specifics, just a whole bunch of users reporting that things work kinda funky at times.

Also, did you get the switches with the Pico remote? If so, have you had any issues with those? I'd imagine those work perfectly, since they're tied to the lightswitch itself & not the Wink Hub system.
 

Kaido

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Anyone know what range on ZigBee is? I was thinking I might be near limit?

Found an update in their FAQ:

http://www.winkapp.com/faq

Range is very environmentally dependent but a typical residential installation may experience range up to 30 feet.

In my current residence, I have foil-lined insulation...I barely get a wifi signal upstairs because it's basically reflected back into the room where the wireless router is, haha. That's why I think some basic, inexpensive radio testing tools would be great to have (for Kidde, ZigBee, etc.) to check your range & signal consistency.
 

SchillerM

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Also, did you get the switches with the Pico remote? If so, have you had any issues with those? I'd imagine those work perfectly, since they're tied to the lightswitch itself & not the Wink Hub system.


The Pico remote gets synced to the Wink hub and not light switch itself. In doing so Wink let's you assign multiple lights to the remote. Unfortunately it seems just Lutron ones, I can't add my GE to it, hopefully something they change in the future. Would be awesome to have a single physical OFF button for all lights.

Range is good, hub is currently in living room across house, switch is right outside bedroom, remote is in bedroom by bed, at last 60' with many walls in between.




Found an update in their FAQ:

http://www.winkapp.com/faq



In my current residence, I have foil-lined insulation...I barely get a wifi signal upstairs because it's basically reflected back into the room where the wireless router is, haha. That's why I think some basic, inexpensive radio testing tools would be great to have (for Kidde, ZigBee, etc.) to check your range & signal consistency.

Thanks for that!
The GE light is more than 30 foot away right now. Hub is going to move now that I have tested it and will be keeping it. Will be going to the "Home run" cabinet in master closet, almost center of the house. Will be about 15' and 1 wall away from the GE bulb and Lutron switch. Most other lights/switches I would upgrade will be in better range of it as well.

Thanks
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Narumi

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Come on Home Depot. In reading this entire thread, it sounds like the whole company has blown the launch. I think people would be all over this if they were educated as to the capabilities offered. I'll bet every household has some specific need to either control or monitor that would have them look at this system.

A large installed base would help us all.

I'm optimistic...............
Mike

I agree I am optimistic as well, but having experience in the IT industry its not black and white as we would like. We are beta testers and that goes for anything new in the market. The hardware is solid but the coding will always be worked on and can always be improved upon.

Wink... is improving, surely and slowly. Their servers went down a few times so I think the user base is there, just not as broad and wide as some may have hoped. Even then this could be a soft launch, a hub for $80 MSRP that's going to be a good selling point.
 

mcrimm

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Also, did you get the switches with the Pico remote? If so, have you had any issues with those? I'd imagine those work perfectly, since they're tied to the lightswitch itself & not the Wink Hub system.

No, I got the Leviton Z-Wave Enabled 1800VA Scene Capable Switch with LED Locator Model # R02-DZS15-1LZ. I have a few other Leviton light controls that are not ZWave but allow me to control garage lights by both time and motion.

According to a friend in the electrical supply business, Lutron is the superior product. I don't know but I would guess that is what they sell.

Thanks,
Mike
 

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I am curious to get my hands on the Pico remote. I plan on building a home (at some point) in the future; I'm thinking it might be best to run all of the load wiring into a central electronics closet & then just put a zillion Pico remotes with wallmount kits (completely wireless + 10-year battery life) around the house - ex. one at every room entrance, plus in convenient places (so like one by the bedroom entrance, then another one on each side of the bed so each partner can hit the lights - THAT would be convenient!). Like you said, Lutron is a pretty big name in lighting, so I don't think that would be a bad way to go...

Kaido, I have 2 spare pico's that I am not using. If your interested, shoot me a PM and we can work something out.
 

Kaido

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The Pico remote gets synced to the Wink hub and not light switch itself. In doing so Wink let's you assign multiple lights to the remote. Unfortunately it seems just Lutron ones, I can't add my GE to it, hopefully something they change in the future. Would be awesome to have a single physical OFF button for all lights.

Does Wink overtake the Pico-to-switch wireless communication? Or can you still use direct mode & skip out on Wink integration? Both of my switches coming in today have remotes, so I'll see what works better if it's flexible.
 

Kaido

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Kaido, I have 2 spare pico's that I am not using. If your interested, shoot me a PM and we can work something out.

Thanks, I'll see how many I need - I have 2 coming in today (with the switches); part of my problem is that I have a lot of 3-way switches & weird rotary dimmers & junk, so I'll have to see how the wiring plays with the "smarts" of the switches.
 

SchillerM

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Does Wink overtake the Pico-to-switch wireless communication? Or can you still use direct mode & skip out on Wink integration? Both of my switches coming in today have remotes, so I'll see what works better if it's flexible.

I first sync'd the remote to the switch, then the switch to the WInk hub. At that point I lost control of the switch from the remote. I had to sync the remote to Wink hub and assign it to that light to get control back.

It is fast to respond, I don't think direct sync would be of any benefit. If Wink would open up the use of the Pico remote to do a mix-n-match of lights in a group it would be ultimate simple remote.

I will note that the on wall switch is a little different, still getting used to hitting it on way out the door. I installed by the door going into our garage. Its a dark hallway so we use that light all the time in a nightlight type use. After 4 years of smacking the top and bottom of the regular decora switch it isn't quite the same anymore, have to pay a little more attention. The switch surround is nice looking, took a little bit to get it level/flush, but thats normal in this house.

I only have 1 of the switches, but based on how the Wink app displays them you should be able to use one remote for both lights, and the other for a single if you wanted. Please report back if that is the case.

Matt
 

SchillerM

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Thanks, I'll see how many I need - I have 2 coming in today (with the switches); part of my problem is that I have a lot of 3-way switches & weird rotary dimmers & junk, so I'll have to see how the wiring plays with the "smarts" of the switches.

They have mounts to install the remotes in wall. Might be a decent option for 3 way switches?
Matt
 

Exigence

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I have 2 Caseta in wall switches and I use the Pico's as three way switches. I got the wall plates at Staples (cheapest I found). They work great as 3 ways. The wall plates can go over an existing box or can be screwed to a wall, and the Pico slides in. I had an electrical box that was full of wires and wouldn't fit a dimmer switch in it, but the thin Pico actually gave me more room to work with since it sits at the front of the box.

One thing to note: you will get much better range with Lutron then you will with other devices (excluding mesh networks). The reason is because Lutron years ago bought a certain wavelength space from the government. I believe it's the 433 mhz area - not sure. The other systems use the non regulated space that wifi and other devices are in (900 mhz, 2.4, 5 ghz). That's the sale pitch I got from them as an electrical contractor, but I've found it to be true.

I stood in my neighbors driveway and my Pico remote still worked. That's about 4 or 5 plaster or stucco walls and maybe 75 feet or so. They guarantee 30 feet (or 60' thru open space), but I've found it can go much further.
 

Kaido

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I have 2 Caseta in wall switches and I use the Pico's as three way switches. I got the wall plates at Staples (cheapest I found). They work great as 3 ways. The wall plates can go over an existing box or can be screwed to a wall, and the Pico slides in. I had an electrical box that was full of wires and wouldn't fit a dimmer switch in it, but the thin Pico actually gave me more room to work with since it sits at the front of the box.

One thing to note: you will get much better range with Lutron then you will with other devices (excluding mesh networks). The reason is because Lutron years ago bought a certain wavelength space from the government. I believe it's the 433 mhz area - not sure. The other systems use the non regulated space that wifi and other devices are in (900 mhz, 2.4, 5 ghz). That's the sale pitch I got from them as an electrical contractor, but I've found it to be true.

I stood in my neighbors driveway and my Pico remote still worked. That's about 4 or 5 plaster or stucco walls and maybe 75 feet or so. They guarantee 30 feet (or 60' thru open space), but I've found it can go much further.

Awesome, thanks for the info! Yeah, I've got 3 switches for my entry light (split entry) - one when you walk in, one at the top of the stairs, and one at the bottom of the stairs. So I have to figure out how to do that one. Then I have another one in the walk-in dining area that has a switch at the entrance & a dimmer dial on the other side of the room. Kind of oddball setup wiring-wise.
 

Kaido

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I first sync'd the remote to the switch, then the switch to the WInk hub. At that point I lost control of the switch from the remote. I had to sync the remote to Wink hub and assign it to that light to get control back.

It is fast to respond, I don't think direct sync would be of any benefit. If Wink would open up the use of the Pico remote to do a mix-n-match of lights in a group it would be ultimate simple remote.

I will note that the on wall switch is a little different, still getting used to hitting it on way out the door. I installed by the door going into our garage. Its a dark hallway so we use that light all the time in a nightlight type use. After 4 years of smacking the top and bottom of the regular decora switch it isn't quite the same anymore, have to pay a little more attention. The switch surround is nice looking, took a little bit to get it level/flush, but thats normal in this house.

I only have 1 of the switches, but based on how the Wink app displays them you should be able to use one remote for both lights, and the other for a single if you wanted. Please report back if that is the case.

Matt

Ah, that's good to know, thanks for explaining the workflow. Sounds like ClearConnect has a different access/flow procedure than Z-wave. Also sounds like the Pico remote has its own standalone Caseta radio. If that's the case, then Wink needs to step up their game & add layering for using it to program non-Caseta equipment like your GE bulb so that you can do an "all lights off" function. If the Pico is no longer tied to the Caseta switch, but rather to the ClearConnect radio in the Wink Hub, then Wink is receiving & relaying the signal and some pretty basic programming can be done to have it relay that command signal to another brand of lights (such as GE's ZigBee-based line).

My switches got delayed a day, so no dice for tonight, but I'll test out some different scenarios when I get them - both for doing multiple switches through Wink, and to see if I can re-sync the Pico's to the Caseta lights. I'm not familiar enough with ClearConnect's protocols to know if they can handle multiple controllers for inputs, or if they get tied to just a single master transmitter (like a specific Pico remote or Smart Bridge).
 

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Ah, that's good to know, thanks for explaining the workflow. Sounds like ClearConnect has a different access/flow procedure than Z-wave. Also sounds like the Pico remote has its own standalone Caseta radio. If that's the case, then Wink needs to step up their game & add layering for using it to program non-Caseta equipment like your GE bulb so that you can do an "all lights off" function. If the Pico is no longer tied to the Caseta switch, but rather to the ClearConnect radio in the Wink Hub, then Wink is receiving & relaying the signal and some pretty basic programming can be done to have it relay that command signal to another brand of lights (such as GE's ZigBee-based line).

My switches got delayed a day, so no dice for tonight, but I'll test out some different scenarios when I get them - both for doing multiple switches through Wink, and to see if I can re-sync the Pico's to the Caseta lights. I'm not familiar enough with ClearConnect's protocols to know if they can handle multiple controllers for inputs, or if they get tied to just a single master transmitter (like a specific Pico remote or Smart Bridge).

I'm 99% sure you can repair the Pico to the Caseta light. You have to first hold down a certain button for 10 seconds to do a reset on the switches (both of them). That unpairs them. I actually had to do this when I first got my Caseta switches, because they can prepaired to their Pico. I also know that a Pico switch can connect to multiple Lutron devices. We do this in the commercial space. You can't with Wink though and I'm not so sure with the Caseta switches (can one Pico be connected to multiple Caseta switches?).

Right now I have my GE Link lights added as a Zigbee light. I wonder if the Pico remote would be able to control them if they were added as a GE Link light.
 

Exigence

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Awesome, thanks for the info! Yeah, I've got 3 switches for my entry light (split entry) - one when you walk in, one at the top of the stairs, and one at the bottom of the stairs. So I have to figure out how to do that one. Then I have another one in the walk-in dining area that has a switch at the entrance & a dimmer dial on the other side of the room. Kind of oddball setup wiring-wise.

It would be pretty easy to do this with Caseta. You wouldn't even need a wink hub. You'd get one Caseta in wall dimmer for each group (so 2) and Pico remotes for the rest (with the wall plate adapter). At the non Caseta locations, the black wires (or whatever color the switchlegs are) get connected together as if they are one continuous wire). You pair however many Picos you need to each Caseta switch and you are done. Another note is that the Caseta switches don't require a neutral wire, which is a rare thing and makes installation a lot easier.

Of course, only do it if you are comfortable with electrical and shut the breaker(s) off first.
 

mcrimm

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OK, I mentioned yesterday I had 6 switch profiles on my Winkapp for the 2 Leviton switches. I deleted the 4 'extras' and nothing worked. I then deleted all switch pairings, reset the controller and let it sit over night. This morning I paired the 2 switches again and all is well.

Mike
 

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I finally got around to adding my generic Z-Wave wall plug for a small fan in our room. Easy peezy. First I tried the method by manually starting Inclusion Mode and adding it that way. I had it working in seconds. Then I removed it because I wanted to try it via scanning the barcode in the Wink App. That worked just as flawlessly.

The only weird part is that the switch reports on when it's off. All that means is that in the Wink App I have to turn it "off" and then back on to get the fan to turn on. Small price to pay for a non Wink Certified device.


EDIT: Lutron mentioned that GE was going to make ClearConnect enabled LED bulbs. Has anyone seen them anywhere? In one of my rooms, I want to install a Pico Remote on the wall to control the bulbs so that I can keep the hard switch on for the cieling fan.
 
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Kaido

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Quick updates:

1. I popped in the Lutron Caseta plug-in dimmer, works great! Pico remote is nice & has good range (super easy to pair to the switch, too). Buttons feel cheap on the remote, but it works fine. $60 is pricey for a plug-in module, but I have 3x floor lamps with 75w LED bulbs wired in via extension cords & they work great (on, off, dim). On is instant, off dims down (a few seconds) then shuts off, nice touch.1

2. I started on the Wink Hub. Literally zero documentation included. I didn't realize how BIG it is. It's like the size of a paper plate, not a small wireless router. The procedure is supposed to be simple (pair via Bluetooth & add in your SSID & password to get it on the wifi network), but it's not communicating for me yet - says either there's a server error or my password is wrong. I have the latest version of the app as well.

I reset my iPhone's wifi connection & tested it again and it worked on my phone, but not on the Wink Hub, so I know it's not an issue with the wifi. Wink's support confirmed that WPA2 is supported. From there I tried changing the security (to WPA), the SSID (all lowercase & short), the password (simple 8-character password), guest mode, etc. & no dice. I have to run off to another project this evening so I'll revisit it later.

I don't know if their servers are having issues or if it's an issue with my unit. The error message points to my system, but I ran a speed test (28 down, 6 up) & tested the SSID & password separately, no dice. Here are some screenshots of the errors I'm getting:

http://i.imgur.com/PNk8nLP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fNw0pL9.jpg

Did the usual app kill, Hub reboot, etc. Guess I'll wait for Wink's support to get back to me. Unit is possibly defective. I'll try another router later tonight just to rule that out (hopefully lets me update the firmware & then stick it back on my home wifi). Based on the reviews, this was to be expected, so while I'm not shocked, it is annoying. I've wasted 45 minutes trying to get this online. No Ethernet port. No documentation. Simple error message, which I tested to resolve the stated issues & it didn't, so either my Hub is bad, it doesn't like my wireless router (standard Linksys), or their servers are down right now.

To be continued!
 

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Quick updates:

1. I popped in the Lutron Caseta plug-in dimmer, works great! Pico remote is nice & has good range (super easy to pair to the switch, too). Buttons feel cheap on the remote, but it works fine. $60 is pricey for a plug-in module, but I have 3x floor lamps with 75w LED bulbs wired in via extension cords & they work great (on, off, dim). On is instant, off dims down (a few seconds) then shuts off, nice touch.1

2. I started on the Wink Hub. Literally zero documentation included. I didn't realize how BIG it is. It's like the size of a paper plate, not a small wireless router. The procedure is supposed to be simple (pair via Bluetooth & add in your SSID & password to get it on the wifi network), but it's not communicating for me yet - says either there's a server error or my password is wrong. I have the latest version of the app as well.

I reset my iPhone's wifi connection & tested it again and it worked on my phone, but not on the Wink Hub, so I know it's not an issue with the wifi. Wink's support confirmed that WPA2 is supported. From there I tried changing the security (to WPA), the SSID (all lowercase & short), the password (simple 8-character password), guest mode, etc. & no dice. I have to run off to another project this evening so I'll revisit it later.

I don't know if their servers are having issues or if it's an issue with my unit. The error message points to my system, but I ran a speed test (28 down, 6 up) & tested the SSID & password separately, no dice. Here are some screenshots of the errors I'm getting:

http://i.imgur.com/PNk8nLP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fNw0pL9.jpg

Did the usual app kill, Hub reboot, etc. Guess I'll wait for Wink's support to get back to me. Unit is possibly defective. I'll try another router later tonight just to rule that out (hopefully lets me update the firmware & then stick it back on my home wifi). Based on the reviews, this was to be expected, so while I'm not shocked, it is annoying. I've wasted 45 minutes trying to get this online. No Ethernet port. No documentation. Simple error message, which I tested to resolve the stated issues & it didn't, so either my Hub is bad, it doesn't like my wireless router (standard Linksys), or their servers are down right now.

To be continued!

The hub actually uses wireless (android phone) to obtain the information from your phone and then stores the config onto the hub itself. Also make sure the signal is 2.4Ghz and not 5Ghz. I have two SSID's one for 2.4 and another for 5 just to make things simpler for me.

Also the lights on the hub should be telling you what is going on. It's not that intuitive but at least it is on the site. From their FAQ:

What is the light on the front of my Wink HUB?
The light on the front of the Wink HUB is used to show the current status of the HUB.

The HUB has 3 normal states:

flashing pink — disconnected from the Wi-Fi network and waiting for credentials (configuration mode)
flashing yellow — attempting to connect to your Wi-Fi network and Wink
solid blue — connected to Wink
The HUB may also show these states:

flashing blue — pairing or removing a HUB device
long red flash after flashing blue — device failed to pair or be removed
long green flash after flashing blue — device successfully paired or removed
brief green flash — connected device changed state (ex: light turned on)

NOTE: The flashing yellow has two states (weird I know) if it is flashing fast, 2-3 times a second, it is trying to connect to the wireless. If it is flashing slow, 1 time per second, it is trying to obtain an IP from your router. This should be helpful in determining if it is connecting to your wireless but just not getting an IP from it (which could be from a number of things)

If not support was great from my experience and they should send you out a new hub
 

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The hub actually uses wireless (android phone) to obtain the information from your phone and then stores the config onto the hub itself. Also make sure the signal is 2.4Ghz and not 5Ghz. I have two SSID's one for 2.4 and another for 5 just to make things simpler for me.

On the iPhone, it copied the SSID from the phone, but asked me to punch in the password - I don't think iOS is as forthcoming with data-sharing as Android is So I just got home & it still wasn't working, so I busted out my travel router, connected my iPhone, and all of a sudden the Wink Hub showed up in the app - I didn't even go into "Add Wink Hub". I don't know if it was timing or interference or what, but it works now. I let it run for 15 minutes doing Hub updates & I'm testing it out now.

I picked up a GE Link Light on the way home, along with a Kidde smoke & fire alarm - I needed a bulb & a fire alarm anyway, so that worked out nicely. The GE bulb works via the switch on the reading light, as well as through Wink. It failed pairing the first time - it blinked 3 times, then the Hub spazzed out, lost connect, and started blinking like mad. After a few minutes it said "Uh oh" and asked me if I wanted to try again - blinked 3 times & paired right away after that, then let me name the light.

There is an approximately 2-second lag from sending a command signal from the phone to the bulb receiving it. It was annoying at first, but I'm used to it now. The slider is a bit more annoying since it doesn't dim in realtime, it dims after a delay, so you don't know exactly how bright or dim it will be. The bulb itself is definitely more of a bedside reading lamp - nothing near the output of my 75-watt or 100-watt LED bulbs, but nice for a small lamp that doesn't need to fill a room.

It does have misfires if you go too quick...on, off, on, off, and it will start to ignore commands. I think the 2-second delay applies to a short wait to receive commands again too, although it can be up to 3 seconds before it will receive another command. A bit annoying after playing with the Pico remote, which has an instantaneous response time when directly paired to a Lutron switch.

Overall though, it's really cool - it was $15 or $20 for the bulb & has a built-in ZigBee chip to talk to the Hub, nothing else needed - neat! What made it even more fun was walking into Home Depot, finding it, buying it through self-checkout, and leaving the store without talking to a soul haha. Super easy purchase of a DIY home automation system - I love it!

The Kidde smoke alarm was really easy. It has 8 DIP switches in a preset configuration (up/down/etc.). Basically add it via the app, set the DIP switches on your phone to match the alarm, put the 3 batteries in (include), do a test, and it pairs up right away. It shows green checkmarks for Smoke, Carbon Monoxide, and Battery Level, which is pretty cool - similar to the Nest alarm, but for half the price ($50 for the Kidde). Physically, it has a nice modern-ish design - looks a lot nicer than the round ones, at least!

The Kidde does both smoke & carbon monoxide. It has an alarm plus a voice for instructions. Their mesh network can support up to 12 alarms It has a 10-year operational warranty (don't know how long the batteries last...there is an LED that blinks on it every once in awhile). Installation is super easy - it has a round plastic mount with a screw & drywall adapter, that's it - single mount point. You can mount it on a wall (like the Nest smoke alarm), although it says it's better on a ceiling. It does have a Hush mode, like if you're cooking something smokey.

Next up I paired the Lutron Pico remote control. It did the same thing - spazzed out & went to "Uh oh" mode after a minute or two. The Hub blinks a lot. I wonder if it downloads the latest driver or something for the hardware, then makes you pair again once it's all set - same thing happened with the GE Link bulb (but not with the Kidde alarm).

After that, I paired up my Lutron Caseta plug-in dimmer. That one worked instantly, like the Kidde did. I think tied the Pico remote to the plug-in dimmer via the Hub app. However, it's having some issues. I had to kill the app & relaunch to get it to respond to software control. Then the Pico remote commands would be reflected in the app, but wouldn't actually do anything to the lights, so the relay system wasn't working. I untied the Pico remote to the Lutron plug-in dimmer & then tied it again and now it works.

Response time on the Pico remote is actually better than the app - the Pico remote is nearly instant through the Wink Hub relay, whereas the app takes an extra second. Both are faster than the GE Bulb - ClearConnect definitely is the speed king compared to ZigBee at the present time. I'll see if I can add more than one dimmer to the remote tomorrow when I install the Caseta wallswitch.

The app has a lag quirk - like if you dim a light, it doesn't react for a second, then jumps back the original location, then jumps back to the location you wanted while the command executes. Kind of weird - I want it to stay where I put it & then let the command catch up. I think I'd also like some kind of indicator that the command was received - like if the icon turned red when you dragged it, then turned green when it received confirmation that the command was executed successfully, rather than bouncing around all weird.

The app is interesting. It's a couple layers to get into - you have to unlock your phone, find the app, then tap on what you want to do, and wait a second or two for the command to take effect. Fortunately I have fingerprint login on my 5S, so that's quick, and I placed the Wink app on my homescreen, so I can hop into it quickly. I like using the Pico remote for lights because it's faster, but it's so small that you have to hunt around for it...I'll have to invest in one of those tabletop pedestals, haha.

I don't really understand the purpose of the shortcut system since it's not easy to get to - the home page of the app is a list of all of your devices. I can tap on "Lights", then "..." in the upper right corner, then it has a list of Shortcuts, then I can execute that shortcut...that's not a shortcut, I have to click on a million things to get to it! lol. They need to introduce a right & left-side swipe method for quick access to the schedule, shortcuts, etc. Or even better, make the homescreen actions like Shortcuts & actionable devices like lights - I don't need to see my Wink Hub or Pico remote on the homescreen, because those aren't controllable things - those should be buried in a programming page, linked from the main screen. So there's some improved layout design work that could be done to the app.

Down the road, I plan on adding more switches as budget allows, as well as a Honeywell thermostat, Chamberlain garage door adapter, Schlage lock, and more smoke alarms - I want to keep everything within the Wink ecosystem of certified products to make sure that everything's kosher hardware-wise. Oh, and the Kidde website had this note:

This smoke alarm uses ionization sensing technology. Ionization sensing alarms may detect invisible fire particles (associated with flaming fires) sooner than photoelectric alarms. Photoelectric sensing alarms may detect visible particles (associated with smoldering fires) sooner than ionization alarms. Kidde strongly recommends that both ionization and photoelectric smoke alarms be installed to help insure maximum detection of the various types of fire that can occur within the home.

I don't know if Kidde is planning on releasing a photoelectric model or not. The Nest Protect competitor is a photoelectric model:

https://community.nest.com/thread/2794

The fact is that the Nest Protect uses a set of sensors to accomplish the same thing. We have the photoelectric sensor which is good for smokey fires, we have a heat sensor which detects the hot flaming ones, we have a CO detector which aids in fire detection of both kinds, and we have a humidity sensor that we use to rule out false alarms from the pot of boiling water in your kitchen.

The problem with ionic sensors is they tend to sound false alarms, especially with humidity. They are actually banned in code from being within a certain distance of bathrooms for that reason in many places.

So it might be good to have a combination of both units, based on that information. Plus the Nest relays out to a separate app via Wifi, which is kind of a nice feature to have so that if the Wink Hub fails (say their servers are offline), you can still get a notification through via Google (assuming your house hasn't burned to the ground by then!).

Anyway, pretty cool, everything works! I knew that there would probably be some initial headaches with the Wink Hub, so that wasn't a surprise, but it sure was annoying! Especially for something with literally no printed instructions in the box & no Ethernet port to hook it up quickly. I have no idea why it suddenly paired up with my main wifi; possibly their servers were bogged down & it took awhile for the device to register with their online database, I dunno.

If you plan on investing heavily into this ($500 worth of Kidde alarms, $600 worth of switches, $3000 worth of motorized drapes, etc.) I would probably invest in a second Wink Hub for $50 or so just to have one on-hand in case the main one craps out. I am anxious for some additional sensors to come out, like leak detectors, motion sensors, and door/window sensors, plus it'd be cool if there were electricity monitors, wifi-controlled surge protectors, water usage meters, integration with the Logitech Harmony line of A/V remotes, etc. I'm sure we'll get all of that stuff down the road!

Anyway, long post, seems to be working well tonight. I'll fire up the wallswitch tomorrow & see about additional ties with the Pico remote & whatnot. I do wish the GE bulb could be linked directly to the Pico - I'm not sure if there's some sort of direct pairing going on or what (since the response time on the Lutron is fast), but when I was poking around I did see that you could make a robot to turn the GE bulb on if the Lutron-connected bulbs were turned on, so it looks like you could do it via a workaround. System feels about 90% of the way there now...needs some polish, but I think it's pretty awesome so far! Best dollar I ever spent
 

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Lutron said in a blog post that they are going to release a GE LED bulb with embedded ClearConnect. That means you could connect those to a Pico remote. I'm waiting for those for a few rooms. I emailed Lutron about a release, I'll post here if I hear anything.

I'm really hoping for Wink to add Nest and Nest Protect support. I already have Nest installed and am going to add Nest Protect throughout the house. Since Nest opened their API, Wink should be all over that. Nest is a big name in home automation and would be silly not to support it.

Wink just finally added full Chamberlain MyQ garage support. I happily got that setup and deleted the Chamberlain app.

Anyone know if these require a neutral wire of some sort? My house is old and doesn't even ground most receptacles and I'm trying to decide if I could even install that where I want it.
 

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Lutron said in a blog post that they are going to release a GE LED bulb with embedded ClearConnect. That means you could connect those to a Pico remote. I'm waiting for those for a few rooms. I emailed Lutron about a release, I'll post here if I hear anything.

I'm really hoping for Wink to add Nest and Nest Protect support. I already have Nest installed and am going to add Nest Protect throughout the house. Since Nest opened their API, Wink should be all over that. Nest is a big name in home automation and would be silly not to support it.

Wink just finally added full Chamberlain MyQ garage support. I happily got that setup and deleted the Chamberlain app.

Anyone know if these require a neutral wire of some sort? My house is old and doesn't even ground most receptacles and I'm trying to decide if I could even install that where I want it.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll integrate Nest at some point - they already integrated Dropcam, which is now owned by Nest (which is now owned by Google). I think it would be really cool for them to add fingerprint recognition & Siri control in iOS8 as well. "Siri, turn all of the lights in my house off" :thumbsup:

Good news on the Chamberlain support, very nice! And strangely enough, my Lutron-controlled lights respond faster if I'm not on the wireless network...I flipped off wifi on my phone to test & the command response time is noticeably faster, haha. I like the Pico remote as well, but we've already lost one (probably in the couch cushions), so I may have to glue it to something larger so it doesn't disappear as easy :biggrin:

I plan on getting one of those in-wall outlets later this month, so I'll let you know about the wiring. I don't know if it is a dimming model or not, and I'm having trouble finding any solid information on it, so I'll just have to bite the bulllet on one. I actually want to use it for a floor fan in the bedroom (don't have ceiling fans)...would be convenient to have a remote control for turning the fan on & off. I'm hoping they add support for BAF's Haiku ceiling fan in the future:

http://www.bigassfans.com/products/haiku/

So far my overall experience has been pretty good. The Hub had initial setup issues (expected), there is some lag (expected), and there are some small design quirks I would like to see worked out (app layout, sliders bouncing around, etc.). Overall it seems pretty good though. Since Home Depot is backing this, I'd imagine it will only grow more solid & have even more product support as time goes on, especially with that $250 color touchscreen wallswitch coming out.
 

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My GE Link bulb is having issues. I moved the lamp to a different outlet after getting it setup & it won't turn off now. It will dim & turn on to max, but it won't shut off. I'll try re-pairing it later. It is also limited by the physical switch on the lamp itself...if I twist the top knob to shut off the light manually, it doesn't receive any power, so it can't accept commands. So I can't have both manual control & automated control, unfortunately.

What I'd really like is some touch lamps on either side of my bed, and have those be controlled by the Wink Hub as well, and to have both physical & software control over it. I'm not quite sure how to do that yet.
 

MjnMixael

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You'd probably needed a touch lamp with integrated ZWave or something.

EDIT: You want something that is load sensing like this.

http://www.smarthome-products.com/p-159-vizia-rf-vrp03-1lw-z-wave-lamp-module.aspx

And yes, I'll definitely be getting one or two of those touch screens. (One for upstairs and one for the basement.) They should also make cheaper versions that are mostly for the intercom feature so I can install that in the main rooms of the house.
 
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