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Kaido

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Pivot Power Genius is OK. I have 2. It works well enough except that wink server outages sometimes affect it too. Not always, though. It can be controlled if you don't have a hub.. Meaning if your hub has issues, then Genius won't care. But if their servers have issues Genius is sometimes affected.

Thank you for the review, and also ugh, cloud downtime takes out your power ports? No thanks. I'm so bipolar on this Wink stuff...on one hand, I totally love the concept, on the other hand, the execution of having everything linked through the cloud is a nightmare sometimes.

Does anyone have a Relay installed? Can it really work without the cloud? I'd like to know more about that functionality...
 

Blanky

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If anyone is looking for a spare Hub to experiment with, Amazon has a Hub & GE Link bulb for $16 shipped on Amazon right now:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00PX9VMEG

Wow. I almost feel bad selling two for $27/piece (just hub) this weekend. I bought several of the $33 kits at Home Depot recently and kept bulbs. However even the wink site was recently giving a free hub with $75 in bulbs and hd still has a good price now so the hubs will soon be close to worth nothing and the money will just be charged in the components. Haven't plugged mine in yet.
 

MjnMixael

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Thank you for the review, and also ugh, cloud downtime takes out your power ports? No thanks. I'm so bipolar on this Wink stuff...on one hand, I totally love the concept, on the other hand, the execution of having everything linked through the cloud is a nightmare sometimes.

Does anyone have a Relay installed? Can it really work without the cloud? I'd like to know more about that functionality...

I have relay installed, but I think I have a bad unit... Waiting for Monday to continue my conversation with Wink. Once I get the issues worked out, I'll do dinner testing and see about your question.

I will also say that Genius has had less downtime than the hub for sure. For every 4 times the hub has been down, Genius has been down once.
 

Blanky

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Did I really just read above that when power is turned off to a bulb it can un-pair? Seriously?

The "big" investment at this point is the components. Do the GE link bulbs have or are they likely to have support through other products if Wink bites the dust? Obviously its cloud thing isn't going to be around forever.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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Did I really just read above that when power is turned off to a bulb it can un-pair? Seriously?

The "big" investment at this point is the components. Do the GE link bulbs have or are they likely to have support through other products if Wink bites the dust? Obviously its cloud thing isn't going to be around forever.

FWIW, I have turned the power off on my bulbs several times and I don't think I've had an issue with them losing their pairing with the hub.

I really want to add different stuff but at this point, I'm not sure what to add. I did look at the MyQ but I am not sure I want to add $150 worth of equipment right now (MyQ kit plus additional door sensor). On the plus side, at least the MyQ doesn't require Wink so if Wink fails I could still use it. I've also looked at the Hue lighting kit for the living room but I am not sure I want to go there yet.

Pivot Power Genius is OK. I have 2. It works well enough except that wink server outages sometimes affect it too. Not always, though. It can be controlled if you don't have a hub.. Meaning if your hub has issues, then Genius won't care. But if their servers have issues Genius is sometimes affected...

Also, for a while, it seemed that if Wi-Fi dropped, they would auto-power off its switches. But I can't confirm that and Wink replaced the Genius that I thought was doing that. That was when I had the Wink hub plugged into a Genius so I could reset the hub remotely. Stability for Wink has gotten much better, so I removed the Genius from that role.

Well, that sucks. I think I'll pass on the Genius unless I find an exceptional deal on one.
 
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layyze

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Did I really just read above that when power is turned off to a bulb it can un-pair? Seriously?

The "big" investment at this point is the components. Do the GE link bulbs have or are they likely to have support through other products if Wink bites the dust? Obviously its cloud thing isn't going to be around forever.
I've had bulbs that were powered off unpair. I've also had bulbs that were slow to refresh on my phone or tablet unpair. It can really be frustrating in the evening when I expect a light to just work and it doesn't.
The GE Link bulbs use Zigbee for communication. I know they are supported on the SmartThings hub with a firmware update and probably on other Zigbee compatible hubs.


I too am baffled as to why the hard-wired products like switches and outlets sit in the $50-$60 range. The switches in particular are typically basic single-pole non-dimmers with a z-wave or zigbee radio -- I'd expect those to be no more expensive than a dimmable LED bulb with a similar radio.
Are there some kind of RF shielding issues that make them more expensive? Maybe some additional regulatory approval as a hard-wired device?
I'd love to hear some insight on this.
 

unplugme71

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So I'm considering the Wink Hub with the Kwikset Smart Lock system. What security measures does Wink take to ensure no one enters my house? Be it an internal (employee) or external (hacker/criminal) or combination of both...

I just can't see trusting my house to the Internet. To me, I would rather have software installed on a VM and keep everything internal. Notifications can be sent to my phone but for me to control my house outside of my home wifi, I would need to VPN or respond to the actual push notification for added security.

Ubiquiti has answered a lot of that with their local-hosted Unifi control center for switches, gateways, wireless access points, IP cameras, VoIP phones, etc. It looks like they are getting into door sensors too, albeit a little more pricey.

Right now I just hate having multiple apps controlling one device (ie, Phillips Hue, Craftsman Assurelink, etc). One app to do this all, run off a local VM would be a killer. I'd be willing to pay a license to have software like this.
 

Kaido

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So I'm considering the Wink Hub with the Kwikset Smart Lock system. What security measures does Wink take to ensure no one enters my house? Be it an internal (employee) or external (hacker/criminal) or combination of both...

I just can't see trusting my house to the Internet. To me, I would rather have software installed on a VM and keep everything internal. Notifications can be sent to my phone but for me to control my house outside of my home wifi, I would need to VPN or respond to the actual push notification for added security.

Ubiquiti has answered a lot of that with their local-hosted Unifi control center for switches, gateways, wireless access points, IP cameras, VoIP phones, etc. It looks like they are getting into door sensors too, albeit a little more pricey.

Right now I just hate having multiple apps controlling one device (ie, Phillips Hue, Craftsman Assurelink, etc). One app to do this all, run off a local VM would be a killer. I'd be willing to pay a license to have software like this.

1. Get a Schlage instead of a Kwikset. Kwiksets are easy to pick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSbSPf_EpE4

2. Wink is cloud-based. No option for anything else. Which is particularly annoying when their service goes down (no matter how rarely it may be). And not to be paranoid, but I don't know what their security & monitoring policies are on the other end, so there's no way I'm tying my network cameras into my Wink system.

Ubiquiti makes some cool-looking stuff. Might also consider an Okidokey system if you really want to get serious about locks & door access. Vera has a new controller coming out soon that I believe is local-based (for Z-wave products & stuff with web API's).
 

lsd

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So I'm considering the Wink Hub with the Kwikset Smart Lock system. What security measures does Wink take to ensure no one enters my house? Be it an internal (employee) or external (hacker/criminal) or combination of both...
I would look elsewhere. I have the schalge touch screen and as it is right now the wink won't even tell you which user opened the door or if tampering was detected.
 

Kaido

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I've had bulbs that were powered off unpair. I've also had bulbs that were slow to refresh on my phone or tablet unpair. It can really be frustrating in the evening when I expect a light to just work and it doesn't.
The GE Link bulbs use Zigbee for communication. I know they are supported on the SmartThings hub with a firmware update and probably on other Zigbee compatible hubs.


I too am baffled as to why the hard-wired products like switches and outlets sit in the $50-$60 range. The switches in particular are typically basic single-pole non-dimmers with a z-wave or zigbee radio -- I'd expect those to be no more expensive than a dimmable LED bulb with a similar radio.
Are there some kind of RF shielding issues that make them more expensive? Maybe some additional regulatory approval as a hard-wired device?
I'd love to hear some insight on this.

I dunno. They sell Xbee adapters for doing Zigbee on Arduino for like $10:

http://www.adafruit.com/products/126?gclid=CK-57eT3tsICFUwS7AodPDUARg

Slap that into a $2 switch, voila.
 

unplugme71

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1. Get a Schlage instead of a Kwikset. Kwiksets are easy to pick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSbSPf_EpE4

2. Wink is cloud-based. No option for anything else. Which is particularly annoying when their service goes down (no matter how rarely it may be). And not to be paranoid, but I don't know what their security & monitoring policies are on the other end, so there's no way I'm tying my network cameras into my Wink system.

Ubiquiti makes some cool-looking stuff. Might also consider an Okidokey system if you really want to get serious about locks & door access. Vera has a new controller coming out soon that I believe is local-based (for Z-wave products & stuff with web API's).

Agreed - I don't want to rely on someone elses' services to control my home. I also don't trust other people being able to monitor my home. Who's to say there isn't a corrupt employee spying on people's homes to see if there's any valuable there. And with IP addresses/geolocating - it's fairly easy to find out where the person lives! I think people are putting too much trust into this cloud.

I'm not too worried about lock picking. My neighborhood is pretty safe and I live on a busy street patrolled by police all day long. They are located 2 blocks away. they can run to my house quicker.

If you are going to break in, you will break in. I would say most will immediately leave and if not, they will regret it.
 

unplugme71

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I would look elsewhere. I have the schalge touch screen and as it is right now the wink won't even tell you which user opened the door or if tampering was detected.

Do the positions of the numbers change? How can you be sure someone can't figure out your code from finger prints?
 

lsd

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Do the positions of the numbers change? How can you be sure someone can't figure out your code from finger prints?

The material is smudge resistant and you can use up to a 8 digit code. Also the keypad wont activate unless you touch the right spot first.
 

unplugme71

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The material is smudge resistant and you can use up to a 8 digit code. Also the keypad wont activate unless you touch the right spot first.

Pretty neat. Not a fan of 4 digits. Always preferred 5. I know one digit doesn't seem like a lot but it increases the possibilities by a lot and still easy to remember.

The activation feature is really neat. Does it auto-lock if you miss the spot too many times and makes you wait a few minutes?
 

lsd

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Pretty neat. Not a fan of 4 digits. Always preferred 5. I know one digit doesn't seem like a lot but it increases the possibilities by a lot and still easy to remember.

The activation feature is really neat. Does it auto-lock if you miss the spot too many times and makes you wait a few minutes?

You mean like a lockout function? No, it will just act like the keypad is dead. I don't think it's really meant to be a security feature.
 

Kaido

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Interesting. I looked at that web page and the Xbee product comparison, but I could use some more help. Can you point me to a good, basic tutorial on Xbee (particularly for power control applications)? Many thanks for this thread.

Sure. Easiest way is to setup the Xbee with a relay for power switching:

http://examples.digi.com/lights-motors-more/wireless-control-of-ac-devices-with-a-powerswitch-tail/

They also have an Xbee Cloud Kit if you really want to jump into it:

http://www.digi.com/lp/xbeewificloudkit/

Although I'd lean more towards National Control Devices for relay interface boards:

http://www.controlanything.com/

Coincidentally, NCD has their own Zigbee guide: (using Xbee modules)

https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.controlanything.com/QSG/ZigBee_Mesh_Quick_Start_Guide.pdf

Lots of ways to do it, depends on how much DIY & self-support you're willing to give it. WAF prohibits too much domestic engineering on my end :biggrin:
 

sygyzy

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Hi guys, glad to have found this thread. I just got my Wink Hub and A19 light bulb from Amazon last night. The hub took forever to setup because it only operates on 2.4Ghz. My router is setup with two bands (2.4 and 5.8) sharing a single SSID and security key. I don't really care which my devices connect to. I assume they choose the best one.

Anyway, the Wink hub does not like this. I ended up having to split them up with SSID and SSID (5 Ghz) names. Even then it took about 30 minutes to get it all setup.

I tried adding the A19 bulb using the UPC barcode scanner but it didn't work so I added it manually and that was good. I have some robots setup and they work great.

A few questions:

1. In the (Android) app, what are "Activities"? It's empty and I can't add new ones. I can't figure out what it is.

2. Is it possible to add more complicated robots? For example, I'd like my lights to dim once it gets past 10 PM, so it's not so bright in my master bedroom as I get ready for bed. The only way I can do this is to setup a schedule for Master Lamp to turn ON (this is key) at 60%. Well here's the thing - what if I am on vacation? I don't want it to go from OFF to ON (60%). I want it to dim, IF, it's already on.

Or I have lights turn off when I leave my house but I wouldn't want the living room light to suddenly turn off if my roommate is watching a movie or something. Any ideas?
 

lsd

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A few questions:

1. In the (Android) app, what are "Activities"? It's empty and I can't add new ones. I can't figure out what it is.

2. Is it possible to add more complicated robots? For example, I'd like my lights to dim once it gets past 10 PM, so it's not so bright in my master bedroom as I get ready for bed. The only way I can do this is to setup a schedule for Master Lamp to turn ON (this is key) at 60%. Well here's the thing - what if I am on vacation? I don't want it to go from OFF to ON (60%). I want it to dim, IF, it's already on.

Or I have lights turn off when I leave my house but I wouldn't want the living room light to suddenly turn off if my roommate is watching a movie or something. Any ideas?

The activities tab just shows any actions the wink or other devices have taken. Like a history.

For the Master bed light you can set the robot to run when you are "arriving at " . Even though you will be home at that time it should still work. I just tried it and it worked. Not sure about the second part of the question.
 

tsupersonic

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Ok, I got in on the slickdeals action - got the GE LED light bulb and the Wink Hub. It was an impulse buy at $16, now time to read up on this...
 

MjnMixael

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Hi guys, glad to have found this thread. I just got my Wink Hub and A19 light bulb from Amazon last night. The hub took forever to setup because it only operates on 2.4Ghz. My router is setup with two bands (2.4 and 5.8) sharing a single SSID and security key. I don't really care which my devices connect to. I assume they choose the best one.

Anyway, the Wink hub does not like this. I ended up having to split them up with SSID and SSID (5 Ghz) names. Even then it took about 30 minutes to get it all setup.

I tried adding the A19 bulb using the UPC barcode scanner but it didn't work so I added it manually and that was good. I have some robots setup and they work great.

A few questions:

1. In the (Android) app, what are "Activities"? It's empty and I can't add new ones. I can't figure out what it is.

2. Is it possible to add more complicated robots? For example, I'd like my lights to dim once it gets past 10 PM, so it's not so bright in my master bedroom as I get ready for bed. The only way I can do this is to setup a schedule for Master Lamp to turn ON (this is key) at 60%. Well here's the thing - what if I am on vacation? I don't want it to go from OFF to ON (60%). I want it to dim, IF, it's already on.

Or I have lights turn off when I leave my house but I wouldn't want the living room light to suddenly turn off if my roommate is watching a movie or something. Any ideas?

My hub connects to my dual band Wifi network with no problems at all.
 

Tech_Greek

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I had an issue with my fuel band (or so it seemed) with the single SSID.

I can't point at that for sure but my suspicions were the service that registers new hubs may have been offline and my changing the SSID to dual was a coincidence.

Regardless, I put it back and it's been fine.
 

mcrimm

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We need Wink to property report the position of the 'wink compatible’ switch positions. This is a big deal to me.

I look at my iphone when I am at work and it says my outside lights are on. I look at the webcam and see the lights are really off. I have 3 Leviton switches and Leviton claims Wink is the problem. Wink says they are working on the ‘polling’ function.

Let’s get with it!

I have about $180 invested in 3 overpriced switches that activate – eventually – most of the time but I can’t tell if my lights are on or off.

I set a robot to turn on one set of my outside lights when I am within about 500 yards of my house that sits in the country. This seldom works. Folks, it is dark at 5:30 in NW Montana in December.

This all could be so cool – if there was any consistency. I’m not sure this is getting better.

I am sure, however, that I will not invest another dime in this system until I see substantial improvements. Maybe my wife is right - - - - I am nuts to pay $50+ for a switch.

Mike
 

MjnMixael

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Stay away from the Leviton stuff. The DZ+ stuff or whatever it's called... The 'polling' works for every other brand of switch I have tried with Wink. It's just the Levitons that are no good. From my understanding, there is some patent issue with how Leviton does it's z-wave polling and that's why it's taking a while to get sorted out on the Wink system. Could be wrong.. but whatever. I blame Leviton for that debacle and not Z-wave or Wink, because all my other Z-wave switches work perfectly when it comes to polling status.
 
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