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shift3r

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Welcome! You may want to check the high end trim on the switch. There's advanced info to check it or adjust it here http://www.casetawireless.com/Documents/0301710a_Caseta Advanced Inst.pdf Basically these switches can set an artificially lower "full on" level (and the same for the low end).

Here's a page with the dimensions of the dimmer: http://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocumentLibrary/369831_ENG.pdf

Lastly, one benefit of the Pico switches is that they sit at the front of the box. I had a 3 way switch where one of the boxes was crammed full of wires. I put the Caseta on the other box, which allowed me to easily install the thin Pico on the full box. If you don't know what I'm talking about, search for PICO-WBX-ADAPT. That's an adapter plate that a Pico switch goes into - no device inside the box needed.

Nice! thanks for the links

I'm already running a few picos in place of switches - absolutely love that.
 

shift3r

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jmcguire525

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Anyone running the Relay without a Wink hub? I took my hub back after reading that the Relay could take its place, but now Wink support is telling me I should get a hub becuase the Relay easily gets confused as to what on/off state the light is in.

Also, is there any official word about homekit certification, I thought all homekit devices had to have a certain chip with pre-loaded apple homekit firmware?
 

twomonsters

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Hey guys first post here. I just ordered a wink hub and some other goodies on Monday from Wink. I have not gotten a shipping email or anything. I emailed them a few days ago inquiring if it had shipped yet and have yet to get a response. Thanks!
 

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I have a couple of updates on the Tripper:

1. The Wink application on my Nexus 7 (Android 4.4) DOES show Tripper activity logs. I would think you'd see two entries for each event (one OPEN event and one CLOSE event), but that doesn't seem to be the case. It is only logging one of the events (not sure which; I'll have to test more). I do not see this same log information on the iOS version (iPad 4 running iOS 8.1), however.
2. One Tripper is showing low battery already (what the heck?!?!). I've had it in use only for a few days. For those of you who don't know, I have the Trippers mounted to monitor two of my garage doors. With testing and normal use, it may have seen 20 - 30 open/close cycles. The report is either faulty or I'll have to swap batteries soon; I think I'll keep an eye on it to see if the battery really does die. I find it really hard to believe it is really low. I did drop that Tripper a couple of times during testing but it still reports accurately.
 
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Kaido

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My fancy, expensive Lutron lightswitch died today. I'm going to take it apart later to see if a wire came loose or something (feels solid as a rock tho...). Bummer. No lights or response or anything
 

CAL7

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It looks like this forum has really picked up since Christmas! Perhaps a sign that critical mass has been achieved: Big(ger) use base -> More profit to Wink -> better support -> Repeat.

The support issue is going to be critical. As has been noted here (kudos to Kaido), this seems to be the preeminent forum, but is there anything else? For instance, in the video posted by ramblinwreck001 I just happened to learn by watching that the dimmer level could be controlled by the yellow ring of the light or group. Never knew that! And certainly didn't see it documented. Is there a better source of continuing documentation?
 

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No way I'd pay for that.
Buy a $100 android tablet (or phone) and stick it on the wall. Does Wink and so much more.
Mine is my wink interface, weather station, camera monitor, and harmony remote. Works great.


I am using UBISlate 7Ci to control my WINK hub BETA. I paid 45$ CDN for it.
the only drawback is it does not work with GooglePlay because they use proprietary app.
To go around this I just use App Backup and Restore on my cell to get the Wink apk or any other apps ask I need and move it to 7Ci with USB key (USB dongle cable include with 7Ci) or I use WiFi file transfer apps.

This morning the local Drug's store have the 7Ci on sales for 49.99 including as case with keyboard value of 15$.
I am going to get one for my regular production WINK Hub


........BLACK SATURDAY.....

well I am to late. All sold out. They had a line up ouside at -17c 30 min before store open.
They had a limit of 3 tablet/keyboard per customer and most bought 3....
Lucky I got a cash receipt to get one later when stock will be replenish.
 
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Kaido

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It looks like this forum has really picked up since Christmas! Perhaps a sign that critical mass has been achieved: Big(ger) use base -> More profit to Wink -> better support -> Repeat.

The support issue is going to be critical. As has been noted here (kudos to Kaido), this seems to be the preeminent forum, but is there anything else? For instance, in the video posted by ramblinwreck001 I just happened to learn by watching that the dimmer level could be controlled by the yellow ring of the light or group. Never knew that! And certainly didn't see it documented. Is there a better source of continuing documentation?

Unfortunately, Wink is not big on documentation. I'd love for them to open up an official forum, but I'm sure it would just be full of negative PR, just like this thread. I have not met a single person who hasn't had issues with their Wink system, either during setup or operation. And it's been six months since rollout & people are still having problems...they've had a lot of time to fix things, such as including a manual with the boxed Hub unit, but it just hasn't happened yet.

Plus, the Achilles heel is still that it's entirely cloud-based. It NEEDS offline functionality if it's going to succeed. I was just talking it up to a coworker yesterday & got him all excited about picking up a starter kit, until he asked if he needed DynDNS to setup remote access & I explained that it ran entirely off the cloud & didn't work without an ISP & server uptime...his enthusiasm promptly ran out & he lost interest.

I also have a concern about server-side security, in terms of who is watching what in my system, which is why I refuse to connect my webcams to the system. In the post-Snowden era where we know exactly how much access the government has to our digital lives & what abuses have gone on with people who have access behind closed doors, I for one would like a little more explanation than the sparse two paragraphs in their FAQ:

http://www.wink.com/help/faq/#security

What measures do you take to keep Wink secure?

Wink uses similar security technology as online banking and includes certification encryption, two factor authentication for all system administrators, and regular security audits. Additionally, we follow various standards depending on the protocol. We also encourage customers to practice smart security practices, like securing their wireless network and using strong passwords.

What does Wink do with my data and information?

All that is needed to create a Wink account is an email address and password. Since Wink is free to use, we don’t ask for your address or credit card information. Wink does not sell or share personal data about our users. Our data is aggregated and anonymized to determine collective group patterns that help us improve the app based on how people are using it.
 

Kaido

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I am using UBISlate 7Ci to control my WINK hub BETA. I paid 45$ CDN for it.
the only drawback is it does not work with GooglePlay because they use proprietary app.
To go around this I just use App Backup and Restore on my cell to get the Wink apk or any other apps ask I need and move it to 7Ci with USB key (USB dongle cable include with 7Ci) or I use WiFi file transfer apps.

Holy crap, is that really $37.99?!
 

IndyColtsFan

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Yep, it would be nice to have a time stamp in the app for the trippers. I have a robot for each of my doors that sends a notification to my phone when they are opened and I get a time stamp on the notification.

I mentioned this in my post this morning, but I noticed yesterday that the Android version of the app does seem to log the activity from the Tripper. I don't see this same log on the iOS version. Here is what it looks like on my Nexus 7 for one of my garage doors:




I don't think it is logging both open and close events, even though you do see a set of entries 1 minute apart in the screenshot above. I say this because I know for a fact that I did not have my garage doors open for 18 minutes last night (from 8:45 to 9:03).
 

Kaido

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I have a couple of updates on the Tripper:

1. The Wink application on my Nexus 7 (Android 4.4) DOES show Tripper activity logs. I would think you'd see two entries for each event (one OPEN event and one CLOSE event), but that doesn't seem to be the case. It is only logging one of the events (not sure which; I'll have to test more). I do not see this same log information on the iOS version (iPad 4 running iOS 8.1), however.
2. One Tripper is showing low battery already (what the heck?!?!). I've had it in use only for a few days. For those of you who don't know, I have the Trippers mounted to monitor two of my garage doors. With testing and normal use, it may have seen 20 - 30 open/close cycles. The report is either faulty or I'll have to swap batteries soon; I think I'll keep an eye on it to see if the battery really does die. I find it really hard to believe it is really low. I did drop that Tripper a couple of times during testing but it still reports accurately.

Yeah, it sounds like they need to put in a temp value for recording the last state...so if it was Open before, it switches to Closed. For management, I'd like to see 2 options:

1. Initial setup: define as "Switch On or Switch Off" in terms of whether the Tripper is on (closed) or off (open) for basic status tracking, and also have it have a historical log for "hey the door is open" or "the door is closed" based on the last value & initial setup of putting the sensor in a door-closed state with the door actually closed after installation.

2. Running setup: if it does get a misfire, like if you shut the door to trip the switch without locking the door or whatever, you can reset the state to be Door Open or Door Closed, so you can reverse it if you need to.

I am still disappointed in door lock integration. I'm not going to spend $200 on a smart lock that isn't fully integrated into the system. For starters, stuff like controlling the PIN number & other features, as others have mentioned, as well as for integration, like having the Tripper identify the door as closed and the deadbolt as locked, so you can get a "house secure" status when you check it on your phone.

I'm still considering where to go in the future in terms of hardware purchases. I'm leaning, despite the name, towards the Okidokeys system, even though it doesn't have Wink integration. The Lutron lights can be controlled from their own app, as well as their Sivoia blinds. Music would be separate anyway using an Airplay-based system with Spotify, my iPhone's Music app, and Airfoil on my computer. I like the Honeywell Wifi Thermostat (the rectangle color touchscreen unit with the easy interface), which is also standalone. My Foscam gear is standalone as well. So there wouldn't be any integration with the Wink in an individual-tool kind of setup, but it's not that hard to flip apps, and it's not like I'd be dimming the lights while lowering the shades while locking the door while turning on some music & checking the webcam all the time anyway.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I also have a concern about server-side security, in terms of who is watching what in my system, which is why I refuse to connect my webcams to the system. In the post-Snowden era where we know exactly how much access the government has to our digital lives & what abuses have gone on with people who have access behind closed doors, I for one would like a little more explanation than the sparse two paragraphs in their FAQ:

http://www.wink.com/help/faq/#security

Yeah, that's one reason why I am really reluctant to implement door locks, garage door openers, and cameras with this system. I know I sound paranoid, but I'm afraid that a breach could expose garage door openers, door locks, etc. to exploits.
 

Kaido

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One Tripper is showing low battery already (what the heck?!?!). I've had it in use only for a few days. For those of you who don't know, I have the Trippers mounted to monitor two of my garage doors. With testing and normal use, it may have seen 20 - 30 open/close cycles. The report is either faulty or I'll have to swap batteries soon; I think I'll keep an eye on it to see if the battery really does die. I find it really hard to believe it is really low. I did drop that Tripper a couple of times during testing but it still reports accurately.

That would be pretty lame, considering a 2-pack of CR2032 batteries is like $6 at Home Depot; the Trippers are $40 for a 2-pack, making them $20 each, and at $3 a pop per battery, you're spending 15% of the original purchase price in a replacement battery right off the bat. Yuck!

When you unboxed them, were they shipped touching each other? Maybe they kept tripping in the box from the factory or something.
 

Kaido

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Yeah, that's one reason why I am really reluctant to implement door locks, garage door openers, and cameras with this system. I know I sound paranoid, but I'm afraid that a breach could expose garage door openers, door locks, etc. to exploits.

Well not just that, but I thought they were going to get Alarm.com integration. The Lutron Hub, a much more basic system, already has an alliance with them:

http://www.casetawireless.com/Pages/Alliances.aspx

Whereas Wink can do door sensors, locks, garage door openers, cameras, and is still having goofy issues with minimally supported features & has no alarm company providers currently. I was pretty sure I had seen Alarm.com listed previously...
 

Kaido

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Hey guys first post here. I just ordered a wink hub and some other goodies on Monday from Wink. I have not gotten a shipping email or anything. I emailed them a few days ago inquiring if it had shipped yet and have yet to get a response. Thanks!

It's been a full week with no email? I'd call their support number: 1-844-WINKAPP (whatever that translates out to on the keypad)
 

Kaido

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Nice! thanks for the links

I'm already running a few picos in place of switches - absolutely love that.

The Picos are great! My one Lutron switch died today, but I'm hoping I can mess with the wiring & get it working again because those little remotes are super handy. Extremely reliable as well - I've been very impressed with them!
 

Kaido

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Also, is there any official word about homekit certification, I thought all homekit devices had to have a certain chip with pre-loaded apple homekit firmware?

I haven't seen any update on HomeKit integration. Heck, I haven't seen any update on HomeKit period. Last thing I saw on HomeKit was iDevices integration slated for CES 2015, so hopefully we'll see some big things then:

http://9to5mac.com/2014/12/10/idevices-homekit-investment/

What I would really like to see at CES 2015 is a Wink Hub 2.0: with offline support, with Ethernet, in black plastic. I would be willing to purchase a new one if it had those features. Gimme!
 

Kaido

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Anyone running the Relay without a Wink hub? I took my hub back after reading that the Relay could take its place, but now Wink support is telling me I should get a hub becuase the Relay easily gets confused as to what on/off state the light is in.

I ended up going with a 21" HP Slate tablet as an additional controller (via the Wink app) due to the cheaper $239 price on Groupon & added functionality through Android apps, but I'm curious about your experiences with the Relay so far. I've been confused about actual standalone functionality of the Relay & it sounds like it's not much better than I figured it'd be. How has your experience been with it so far, other than the light state issue?
 

IndyColtsFan

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That would be pretty lame, considering a 2-pack of CR2032 batteries is like $6 at Home Depot; the Trippers are $40 for a 2-pack, making them $20 each, and at $3 a pop per battery, you're spending 15% of the original purchase price in a replacement battery right off the bat. Yuck!

When you unboxed them, were they shipped touching each other? Maybe they kept tripping in the box from the factory or something.

They ship with a strip of cellophane or another material inserted between the battery and the terminal; you have to pull that out to power the device on. Like I said, this particular Tripper was one that I dropped on my cement floor a couple of times while doing various tests so maybe something got knocked loose. I think I have a spare CR2032 battery so I think my plan will be to wait and see if it dies or if it is just not reporting correctly.

I'd like to buy another set of Trippers and weatherproof at least one for outdoor use, but I think I'll wait a couple of weeks to see how these hold up. FWIW, these are the kinds of devices that Quirky needs to be releasing -- cheap, easy to install, and at least so far, relatively accurate.
 

Kaido

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I'm trying to stay on the wink bandwagon, but i'm about to jump and go to smartthings if they won't start getting more involved with their customers

Yeah, and I've already ruled out the Vera Edge...it currently has a 2.5-star rating out of 22 reviews on Amazon, and given their historical track record, I'd imagine it won't get much better:

http://www.amazon.com/Vera-Control-V.../dp/B00PFGJZM8

Smart Things, OTOH, generally has a 4-star rating on all of their equipment, so I'll definitely be keeping an eye on Samsung next week at CES. I'm also interested to see what the Smartwatch game brings...imo wearables are the best way to control a smartphone because it's such fast access. Maybe...maybe Amazon Echo's voice control technology will really & truly be amazing, but even if so, I'd rather tap a button on my wrist to do what I want than have to go through the effort of speaking it out loud...if you've ever used Siri, Now, or Cortana, then you know exactly what I mean (#firstworldproblems lol). 2015 is slated to be the year of the smarthome & IoT, so we'll see what next week brings us!
 

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I don't know much about SmartThings -- is it completely cloud-based too?

EDIT: NM, it appears to use the cloud as well.
 

daudet419

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Holy crap, is that really $37.99?!



Yup ,$37.99 in Usa and $42.99 in Can ubislate.ca

keyboard is $14.99 in USA and CAN and we don't have any data plan here.

Local drug's store was sold out after 15 min this morning.
They had 3/per crust limit. and most of them bought 3.

For peoples that have already an Android device a and are familiar with it can easily copy apps to the slate.

Their web browser is kind of weird has it always refer to their app's downloaded. I was able to move Google chrome APK and it works.

For me the price is right.
 

Kaido

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I'd like to buy another set of Trippers and weatherproof at least one for outdoor use, but I think I'll wait a couple of weeks to see how these hold up. FWIW, these are the kinds of devices that Quirky needs to be releasing -- cheap, easy to install, and at least so far, relatively accurate.

That's the problem...not only is everything still expensive, but the performance is sub-par. My wife isn't terrible excited to buy more smarthome crap given that our Lutron switch just went out this morning, the Wink scheduling stuff works goofy, and it has occasional downtime, which renders my somewhat pricey smarthome system fairly useless for iPhone control. So from her consumer usability perspective, this is an expensive, buggy hobby that causes her to be annoyed by interrupting her household workflow because it doesn't work like it says it's going to work.

Honestly I don't really mind the price because it's still so much more affordable than it's been for years, outside of maybe INSTEON & X10, which are even more buggy, but it is kind of annoying to have to spend $50 on a Kidde integrated smoke alarm when they're selling a 5-pack of dumb alarms for the same price literally right next to the smart one. Or when a flip lightswitch is literally a dollar and my smart one (which is way more annoying to use because it doesn't have a flip switch on it, just a push-button which is kind of hard to find in the dark physically) is sixty bucks. I don't really feel like I get $60 worth of value out of the ability to control it from my smarthome...I feel like $19.99 would be a much better pricepoint. Especially given that you can get a pretty nice cheap Android tablet for under $50 these days, and all the lightswitch has is a pushbutton with a radio receiver haha.
 

Kaido

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I don't know much about SmartThings -- is it completely cloud-based too?

EDIT: NM, it appears to use the cloud as well.

EchoStar's Sage hub looks promising as well:

http://www.cepro.com/article/echostar_sage_ott_home_automation_looks_super-impressive/

TV integration, conversational rules setup, future support for Thread, etc. At this point, I don't really care until two requirements are met:

1. I can actually buy it
2. It has good reviews (because it performs as-advertised)

Wink knows what it needs to do to win the game; they're in a prime position with a cheap hub, Home Depot partnership, and GE backing, but they're falling short with the bugginess & lack of offline support. I'm really hoping it gets fixed because Quirky is a fairly innovative company; the problem is that most of their stuff (Re: Aros) is poorly-reviewed, which doesn't necessarily bode well for the future if they're simply focused on pumping stuff out & not refining it. Again...six months out & a lot of people are still having issues, just based on Amazon reviews & the last few pages of this thread.
 
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