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IndyColtsFan

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I don't see 15 second delays with robots, but I often see 3 or 4 seconds. That's too long and it is hard for me to get my wife onboard with delays like that. I will say that turning on lights using Echo often does seem faster than using the Wink app too.
 

Fsant

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Thanks for that feedback IndyColtsFan, Im in the same boat after having my wife used to the almost instant SmartThings reaction , she is not happy that we gave up lighting dark rooms in our house when we walked into one as soon as it saw motion the lights would go on and after no motion they would turn off with 99% accuracy. Also the pollong of nodes, the idea behind that is if the light does not actually turn off it would report back the true status. With my Wink hub it will say its off when its actually on and vice versa. Maybe i do have a bad hub or maybe my wireless environment is too noisy for the hub. i really wanted to give Wink a chance. Maybe thennext firmware update or an updated hub with local processing.
 

Mike A.

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I think you are putting more stock in Homekit & Weave than they deserve. As is, they do not look like a threat to current HA systems, but something to use in tandem...

I'd largely agree with all of that too as they and things stand right now. But the longer-term direction of the HA/home IoT (however you want to characterize it) is toward some sort of more integrated framework whatever that may end up being for given cases.

When an average consumer has the ability to control devices directly via their phone/tablet using native apps, schedule devices in their Google or iCloud calendars, create scenes and macros, etc., get hub-type functions which serve most people's needs built into something like an Apple TV, Echo, or similar type devices in a transparent way, and there's a whole wave of new products coming with little Apple-certified logos on them that are plug-and-play without the headaches, along with a ton of marketing behind all of that, then that's not a real great place for a company like Wink to be.

Unless they're playing along in that same space too. But I don't see how Wink does that other than at the margins. Somebody like Philips can use their hub to leverage sales of their other products. Wink doesn't really have much of any other products. Third-party apps can be built on top of a common framework without having to carry the hardware-side costs like Wink does which also reduces the value that its proprietary app provides. Doesn't mean that things like Wink/ST/Vera, etc. will go away any time real soon but there will be a whole lot of people at the consumer level who won't buy things like that because they won't need to. And really it's about time that all happened.
 
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RodolfoDLV

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Thanks for that feedback IndyColtsFan, Im in the same boat after having my wife used to the almost instant SmartThings reaction , she is not happy that we gave up lighting dark rooms in our house when we walked into one as soon as it saw motion the lights would go on and after no motion they would turn off with 99% accuracy. Also the pollong of nodes, the idea behind that is if the light does not actually turn off it would report back the true status. With my Wink hub it will say its off when its actually on and vice versa. Maybe i do have a bad hub or maybe my wireless environment is too noisy for the hub. i really wanted to give Wink a chance. Maybe thennext firmware update or an updated hub with local processing.

15 seconds is high. Mine usually take about 3-5 seconds. They've been promising for a while, but today a Wink employee went on the WInk users group and said the local control for lights is "just around the corner".
 

Fsant

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Thanks for response RodolfoDLV, that sounds like great news if it really comes out with local control. If yours is 3 to 5 seconds then i must have something wrong cause even today, testing these out i am getting some at 3 to 5 seconds but many at 15 seconds and now any dimmers i have be it plug in or in wall it can turn them on but no longer turns them off

I have numerous emails into support with case scenarios so they can take a look but responses have been slow from support team.

I will hold off a bit to see what Wink brings on, but hopefully the wait won't be too long as i need at least some accuracy in the devices i am controlling now.
 

RodolfoDLV

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Thanks for response RodolfoDLV, that sounds like great news if it really comes out with local control. If yours is 3 to 5 seconds then i must have something wrong cause even today, testing these out i am getting some at 3 to 5 seconds but many at 15 seconds and now any dimmers i have be it plug in or in wall it can turn them on but no longer turns them off

I have numerous emails into support with case scenarios so they can take a look but responses have been slow from support team.

I will hold off a bit to see what Wink brings on, but hopefully the wait won't be too long as i need at least some accuracy in the devices i am controlling now.

In my own experience, my devices that have the best response times with my Wink hub are Zigbee controlled. When I add Z-wave into the mix of a robot with Zigbee, it is slower than my other robots. Since yesterday, the Wink hub started acting out on my Z-wave switches for no reason whatsoever. There are people claiming the same thing in the Wink users group, where you can turn on the Z-wave switches, but you can't turn them off. I'll give a call later to support and see if they have an idea who screwed things up.
 

Fsant

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Whoa! that is exactly what is happening to me. Zigbee works best with fastest response, as does Hue lights but that is just Wink sending info to Hue. However recently many of my Z-wave devices are sporadic, sometimes they work other times they don't. what bothers me is that if the device is polled properly it should come back to Wink with the actual status being either not on or Off but the wink only thinks it is on or off when opposite. i am convinced there is something with Wink and not specifically my Hub as i was wondering. thanks for your post.
 

RodolfoDLV

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Whoa! that is exactly what is happening to me. Zigbee works best with fastest response, as does Hue lights but that is just Wink sending info to Hue. However recently many of my Z-wave devices are sporadic, sometimes they work other times they don't. what bothers me is that if the device is polled properly it should come back to Wink with the actual status being either not on or Off but the wink only thinks it is on or off when opposite. i am convinced there is something with Wink and not specifically my Hub as i was wondering. thanks for your post.

You are welcome. My GE dimmer switches work very well and they poll to the hub, usually without a problem. It was only yesterday's crazy thing that made them not usable. The downside is they are slower to respond than my Zigbee light switches and light bulbs.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Email notifications seem to be iffy today, at least for me. The emails from my wife's garage door robot didn't come until around an hour later and I just swapped out my GE Link bulb repeater with a Link Hub repeater and ran a test on my garage door and the emails have yet to arrive, though the Wink client did show the open/close events.
 

qfwfq

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Yeah, the battery in my refrigerator sensor quickly dropped to 77 and then dropped to 66. It stayed at 66 for a few of days and dropped to 55 a couple of days ago. Of course, I am using the ST motion sensor and not the contact sensor so that may also play into it. If accurate, I'm guessing maybe 1 month of battery life which kind of sucks. I'm guessing that maybe being in the refrigerator means a weak signal and it is having to rebroadcast a lot. I ordered a GE Link Hub and am hoping I can pair that with ST and use it as a repeater and place it in the kitchen next to the refrigerator. I may end up trying one of my new Iris contact sensors in the refrigerator for temp measurements and see if I have better luck with the battery.

Also, I have a question regarding GE Link bulbs. Do they function as full-fledged repeaters or only as bulb repeaters (ZLL, if I remember the acronym right)? The reason I ask is that I saw an older thread at ST that claimed they only repeated the Zigbee lighting network and not Zigbee HA. However, I was having problems with my Trippers and dropped a GE bulb between them and the hub and the problems seemed to vanish.

The battery of my open/close sensor in the freezer too dropped to 55% after a few days only. It seems to drop 10% each day. I am going to move the ST hub away from the router to reduce interference. I will also add a GE link light in the garage to work as a parent (note you need to disconnect the hub so that the sensor chooses the light as new parent). According to ST, the GE lights are full repeaters.
https://support.smartthings.com/hc/en-us/articles/203598304-What-is-the-GE-Link-LED-Bulb-
However, I don't know how to check which node in the mesh is working as parent of another node.

Edit: upon further research, it seems that you are right, the GE lights will not repeat everything, only to other lights in the same network. According to what I read, they could, but they don't. Go figure...
Bummer. I bought a bunch of them.
The OSRAM Lightify Smart bulbs instead should act as repeater. I guess I am going to buy one of those.
 
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TechWise

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Quiet around here for the past week. I keep checking in hoping to hear something about local control.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Quiet around here for the past week. I keep checking in hoping to hear something about local control.

Yeah, not much going on with my Wink stuff - been testing SmartThings instead. However, I saw that Meijer may have dropped their clearance prices on Wink stuff again so I may pick up some Outlinks to play with and maybe even a TAPT.
 

RodolfoDLV

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Yeah, not much going on with my Wink stuff - been testing SmartThings instead. However, I saw that Meijer may have dropped their clearance prices on Wink stuff again so I may pick up some Outlinks to play with and maybe even a TAPT.

I really like my Tapt switches. Work great with Wink, and they for fine with ST. Unfortunately they don't have the full functionality on ST. Let me know if you pick up one of those Outlinks from the Meijer and hoe it goes with your UPS.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I really like my Tapt switches. Work great with Wink, and they for fine with ST. Unfortunately they don't have the full functionality on ST. Let me know if you pick up one of those Outlinks from the Meijer and hoe it goes with your UPS.

Yeah, I just hope they've marked them down - they never seem to sell them, so hopefully they got the hint and did.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I haven't found any mention of people trying to use an Outlink with SmartThings. I'd really like to know if it is possible before buying.
 

Kaido

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Aikouka

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This past weekend, I tried to hook up a Linear Z-Wave switch to control my pool pump, but I just could not get it to work for the life of me. :\ It's supposed to be able to handle 120V up to 20A, which is the same as the switch that it was replacing, but the relay just never did anything (LED indicator stayed unlit). That turned a bit more frustrating when I realized that the original 20A switch's exterior had a piece broken off, so I had to go buy another one. That was compounded when I saw that they were using a double pole switch as a means to hook up another switch to the same line (there are two pool pumps). Technically, double pole switches are for combining two incoming lines to double the amperage, so that's not really the right way to wire it. I used a single pole switch and wired it the correct way.

Anyway, there is something that I'd like to do, which I really wanted to do with the pool pump switch. Does anyone know a good HA-capable temperature probe that I could use with a pool? I assume that this is sort of like the freezer probes that people have been talking about, but I don't have an issue with low temperatures but rather higher IP requirements (IP65 or higher).
 
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IndyColtsFan

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This past weekend, I tried to hook up a Linear Z-Wave switch to control my pool pump, but I just could not get it to work for the life of me. :\ It's supposed to be able to handle 120V up to 20A, which is the same as the switch that it was replacing, but the relay just never did anything (LED indicator stayed unlit). That turned a bit more frustrating when I realized that the original 20A switch's exterior had a piece broken off, so I had to go buy another one. That was compounded when I saw that they were using a double pole switch as a means to hook up another switch to the same line (there are two pool pumps). Technically, double pole switches are for combining two incoming lines to double the amperage, so that's not really the right way to wire it. I used a single pole switch and wired it the correct way.

Anyway, there is something that I'd like to do, which I really wanted to do with the pool pump switch. Does anyone know a good HA-capable temperature probe that I could use with a pool? I assume that this is sort of like the freezer probes that people have been talking about, but I don't have an issue with low temperatures but rather higher IP requirements (IP65 or higher).

I think someone mentioned that there is a floating probe for hot tubs that is z-wave compatible - let me try to remember where I saw that discussion. IIRC, it was pretty expensive though.
 

Kaido

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Your smart home knows a lot about you:

https://personalliberty.com/smart-home-knows-lot/

How much does your smart home know about you? That was the question that Charles Givre, a data scientist at Booz Allen Hamilton, set out to answer in a recent experiment. Givre has an account on Wink, a platform designed to control, from a single screen, his Internet-connected home devices, such as door locks, window shades and LED lights. He wanted to learn what could be learned from his usage behavior. It turned out it was a little too much.

Earlier this month, at a big data conference in New York, Givre presented his results. By accessing his Wink account, he (or anyone with his login information) could identify his social media accounts, the names of his devices (like “Charles’s iPad) and his network information. An app that monitors his grill’s propane tank recorded the tank’s latitude and longitude, thus revealing the exact location of his house. From his Nest thermostat, he could figure out when his house was occupied and when it was not.
 
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