There are some games that suck with a keyboard and mouse. Sorry to burst your elitist bubble.
The tiny boxed in levels, the lack of Acts compared to No 1, the horrific UI before it was fixed, the game was built with consoles in mind. CD Projekt has sold out they should have remained PC only. And to those who mentioned a controller, if I wanted a controller I'd buy a console and I wouldn't be using a $150 mechanical keyboard.
There are some games that suck with a keyboard and mouse. Sorry to burst your elitist bubble.
Because you said the the Witcher games alone were funding enough.
It's true that gog.com is a distributor of PC games. But they're making money distributing, not on development and their own sales.
Nor did I say they would be bankrupt without consoles.
Or do you think Valve would still be in business right now without Steam? Your claim was that those two games alone were obviously enough for them on PC. I said they're not.
Why is it elitist to want good mouse and keyboard controls on a PC? It would be no different than a console gamer complaining about the lack of controller support.
And BSim, you make a lot of good points, and they sound decent. But did you read the first pages of this very thread? Sheer idiocy. And you are correct that no one was toxic in the strictest sense, but that's more owing to the fact that the PC Gaming mod(s) does a decent job of making sure that isn't tolerated on this board.
Back in the day nobody had a problem buying joysticks for specific games. All the sudden people go apeshit over a game that is better on a controller.
Back in the day, PC gamers played with a mouse and keyboard for all but flight simulators and racing games. And mostly they still do. PC gamers have every right to expect mouse and keyboard support for all games but those special cases which a mouse doesn't work (simulators; flight and racing).
Back in the day nobody had a problem buying joysticks for specific games.
"Better" or simply "works better than a screwed up K+M port"? Plenty of 3rd person RPG's work fine on K+M (Mass Effect, etc). No-one wants controller support removed, just for K&M support to not be nerfed or bugged simply because a game supports controllers as an option and that's all some lazy developers can be bothered to play-test...All the sudden people go apeshit over a game that is better on a controller.
Don't think this is necessarily true. I've thrown away so many odd PC controllers recently that I've had stored up. Now that my 360 controller works with my PC there is no need for any other controllers. The amount of controllers I've thrown away from my early PC days makes it easy for me to realize that I definitely was NEVER reliant on simply just a mouse+kb.
I see current PC gamers trying to play Dolphin Wii games with Mouse+KB. When did you guys get so against controllers? I've always used controllers, even in MMOs as sometimes controllers had extra features unlocked due to needing to make the game play well on controller it would need to provide shortcuts to some actions the Mouse+KB didn't access to.
Back in the day nobody had a problem buying joysticks for specific games. All the sudden people go apeshit over a game that is better on a controller.
And it's led to a really wrong mentality that controller support at all is console-ification.
Because you said the the Witcher games alone were funding enough.
Let me make this clear, this is not my attitude. What I mean by consolification is something much easier to understand: PC gaming, in terms of gameplay, is all about the click action. Doesn't matter if it's on a keyboard, mouse, or gamepad, it's about the clicks. General rule: you click more = more fun. That's why Diablo 3 is nowhere near as fun as Diablo 2. So that alone makes The Witcher 2 more of a console game than The Witcher was.And it's led to a really wrong mentality that controller support at all is console-ification.
But there's another very important aspect to it all, one anyone remotely knowledgeable about the industry will KNOW: console games are made with a shorter attention span in mind, for gamers who are not as willing to sink hours into a game as PC gamers. This is fact. If you're a console developer and you don't KNOW this, you're not a successful console developer. And The Witcher 2, like 90% of the American television series, is shaped with that in mind: lots of people don't care much about much, and they just want to have a good time. I'm not blaming them, and I'm not blaming anyone who caters to the public. But I do blame CDPR for selling out, because they weren't aiming at that crowd when the first game came up. It's pretty much the same deal that went on with BioWare in the early 2000's, only BioWare never did manage to deliver anything particularly brilliant (even if their games are massively famous and loved).
Interplay went down for this exact crap, although they went down because they did it a bit too much.
*Let me clarify my more clicks = more fun theory. What I mean is that if to walk 10 feed I need to click three times, as a rule, that's gonna be more fun than if I need to click once, or don't even need to click. Console design goes against this, prioritizing content (for the ADD crowd) over action. In other words, dumbing things down. Of course the PC crowd is gonna look like idiots when a game sequel makes menial gameplay tasks easier or removes them entirely: inventory tetris, manual cancelation of turns, skill point assignment, calculations, exploration, all that is part of PC gaming, and something that detracts from that is tendentiously consolified.
Stop saying dumbed down. There has to be another word to use instead of dumb. It's insulting.
What would you call it? Streamlined? Simplified?
Dumbed down works better, because it both says it removes complexity and also gives a the personal opinion of it being a bad thing.
Streamlined makes it sound like a good thing. Simplified is neutral, but gives no indication that it is something that isn't liked.
Just realize that a game that is dumbed down is not an insult to the player, but to the game itself.
simplified is the most accurate. A controller's interface is much more simple than a keyboard and mouse.
Back in the day, PC gamers played with a mouse and keyboard for all but flight simulators and racing games.
Stop saying dumbed down. There has to be another word to use instead of dumb. It's insulting and a lot of people who play games on consoles aren't dumb.