The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt

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Grooveriding

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Are you kidding ? The first picture has a complete different and much more powerful lighting engine, the water is obviously fully tessellated and the textures are a huge deal better.

That is nothing that can be fixed with a couple texture mods. The tech behind the game engine is markedly weaker now compared to then.

I am looking forward to this game, but the attempts to try and pretend the game is not hugely downgraded from its initial reveal are getting old.
 

Zanovar

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Jan 21, 2011
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Are you kidding ? The first picture has a complete different and much more powerful lighting engine, the water is obviously fully tessellated and the textures are a huge deal better.

That is nothing that can be fixed with a couple texture mods. The tech behind the game engine is markedly weaker now compared to then.

I am looking forward to this game, but the attempts to try and pretend the game is not hugely downgraded from its initial reveal are getting old.

i see your point
 

norseamd

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The lighting and water look like something I have never seen in any shipped game so far. If we could have had that for the Witcher 3 that would have been amazing even if it took a few years for mid-range hardware to be able to deal with those settings.
 

Zenoth

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Ok, about the downgrade thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU9rlkCOk9E

Skip to about 0:50 (or just watch from the start). Think what you will from what he says. I would be surprised if CDPR (or that guy in particular) was lying until the very end. That, or it is a matter of perception, for them. Maybe CDPR sees what happened to the graphics as "optimizations" instead. Maybe not. Maybe that insider article was right about members of a dev team never willing to admit that such a thing would have happened to their game (or at least to a specific version of their game) which would of course explain the reason as to why the identity of that insider was kept secret.

Here (in that video) you have someone from CDPR who says that 1) It was not downgraded, and 2) You cannot downgrade to start with if there's no build to go down from (there was no "grade" to go down from to begin with, is what he says). And points at the fact that the trailer was prepared for the purpose of showing off the game in a cinematic way (which should have already been obvious to everyone at the time), with all sorts of post-processing effects and good camera angles, etc.

So, there's two very simple possible situations going on...

1) CDPR is on defensive mode (call it PR bullshit, damage control, if not merely lying if you want to think that). They downgraded, period. No matter how hard THEY try to cut it by trying to make us believe A, B and C instead (such as "oh, it wasn't downgrading, it was optimization!"), the obvious is there and will be proven to the world of gaming at release (if not already being proven as I type this by the pirates).

2) CDPR did not downgrade TW3 for the PC, and somehow the screenshots taken for comparison purposes were all from either the Xbox One or the PS4 version(s) which themselves would have in fact been downgraded from a "pure" and original PC version, which also for some reason we wouldn't have seen true videos nor pictures of to this point.

Do I think that the game has been downgraded? Most likely. Why wouldn't it be downgraded if the PC version is a port? It would indeed make sense, both financially and resources-wise for the company to "just" port the lowest-common denominator'd TW3 to the PC (heck, maybe they even "ported" the Xbox One version to the PS4! oh boy... perish the thought). Do I think that CDPR themselves simply view it differently and uses different wording to describe what they've done to the PC version even though on paper it IS downgrading? It sounds like it. Do I have the definitive proof that all comparisons I've seen so far are indeed true? Nope (hint: I don't always believe everything I see and hear coming from "unknown sources" of complete strangers on the Internet).

There's only one thing I know, for sure, is that I consciously pre-ordered TW3 knowing that I would be in for an epic RPG experience. And since I cannot wait to play it I guess I'll find out about the "downgrade" thing in about five days from now, while being busy enjoying it.
 

RussianSensation

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Do I think that the game has been downgraded? Most likely.

They can say they didn't downgrade the game since you can't "downgrade" what hasn't been created as a full game. However, let's take a look at how ambitious this project was hyped to be in 2013. All those next generation particle, real time reflection effects, full terrain tessellation they advertised? Look at the section where Geralt is walking towards a burning village - the fire and smoke look amazing. Real time reflections and how the forest/lakes looked at the end is jaw dropping!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SpPqXdzl7g

They probably got rid of 95% of all of that, just left NV's key marketing GW features such as HairWorks and will turn up water tessellation factor from x16 to x64 to make sure all AMD's hardware is crippled (because AMD's performance falls off a cliff beyond x16), while the entire physics water simulation will be way downgraded from that 2013 version

It takes A LOT of hard work to make next gen lighting, shadows, physics, AI models, but it takes no effort at all to go absurd on the tessellation factor setting from 16x to 32x to 64x without any tangible benefits beyond 16.




They should have just admitted that they set out to create a game for next gen consoles/PC back in 2013, but then once they started making the game on barely next gen Xbox1, they realized there is no way this is possible. Since they knew they couldn't pull off making 3 separate games or make a game targeting PS4/PC and leave XB1 gamers for dead, they had to scrap their originally ambitious project to cater to the lowest common denominator - XB1.

Because it's not CoDudebro 27, and requires some time and reading.

AC Unity will probably sell more than TW3.

XB1 = 2.67M
PS4 = 3.11M

With combined PC sales, the broken Unity sold > 6M copies. That's insane......
 
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Zanovar

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Seriousuloy whats your point here rs?.i think youve made youre point sweet mother of god. stop pissing on my game.i kid
 
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chimaxi83

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After watching the entire video, I find it hard to believe this is actually PC Ultra settings.
(luckily for the men in The Witcher 3, females seem to have access to a Medieval Victoria Secrets for all their sexy lingerie needs....LOL)

If that is PC ultra, that really makes me sad. I'm still going to play and almost certainly love this game, but there was absolutely nothing special about those graphics.
 

MTDEW

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If that is PC ultra, that really makes me sad. I'm still going to play and almost certainly love this game, but there was absolutely nothing special about those graphics.
Yeah, I think either...
1: Someone is flat out lying about the settings to get youtube hits.
or
2: Some Ultra settings are simply disabled/non-working and will be enabled with the day 1 update upon release.
 

smackababy

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Yeah, I think either...
1: Someone is flat out lying about the settings to get youtube hits.
or
2: Some Ultra settings are simply disabled/non-working and will be enabled with the day 1 update upon release.

It might not even be a day 1 update. There could be a patch after a month or so to get the highest res stuff.
 

escrow4

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Why do people keep comparing images at different times of day, different lighting situations? and platform?

why do people give a shit about the initial release version--as if vanilla Skyrim compares in any way to a properly-modded, or simply the official texture pack version.

Skyrim with dynamic lighting, water effects, ENB etc looks as good as that top pic. ...that's a rather old game, too.

There are no differing lighting situations. The lighting and particles were gutted. Those soft reflections off fire are gone. That lighting model is gone. Simple. Day or night the game looks nothing like it used to. And Skyrim is running off the same engine even tweaked that powered Oblivion, tired old Gamebryo. Isn't even a comparison. The Witcher series is and was never about mods. Its about the world and plot and you'd think with three times the manpower and more cash they'd release an excellent PC version instead of an upscaled console port. Witcher 2 the writing was on the wall. And what about previous saves? I have just nearly 2GB of saves from 1 + 2. I wonder if they'll have any impact at all.
 

Stuka87

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It might not even be a day 1 update. There could be a patch after a month or so to get the highest res stuff.

No, they are not going to re-design the whole lighting system in a month. They ripped all the stuff out, we are not going to see it put back in.
 

RussianSensation

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ffs i think everyone and there mother realises its been downgraded.

I doubt we'll ever see another Crysis 1 moment in PC gaming as it would bankrupt pretty much any studio but the top ones. Still, I think for an open world RPG, it looks great. Considering I grew up enjoying Pac Man and Pong and then NES, SNES/Genesis in the Soviet Union, and even gamed on a black and white TV, this coloured 3D graphics is alien technology by those old standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGgO_kBKRzw

Look on the bright side, less need for those gamers on 1080P and even 1440P monitors to get dual Titan Xs. For Titan X, R9 295X2 and 980 SLI owners, I can feel the disappointment though.


Nice! PC graphics in year 2030.
 
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Zanovar

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i agree with you on crysis1.hell some parts of that game still look beutiful today.
 

escrow4

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I doubt we'll ever see another Crysis 1 moment in PC gaming as it would bankrupt pretty much any studio but the top ones. Still, I think for an open world RPG, it looks great. Considering I grew up enjoying Pac Man and Pong and then NES, SNES/Genesis in the Soviet Union, and even gamed on a black and white TV, this coloured 3D graphics is alien technology by those old standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGgO_kBKRzw

Look on the bright side, less need for those gamers on 1080P and even 1440P monitors to get dual Titan Xs. For Titan X, R9 295X2 and 980 SLI owners, I can feel the disappointment though.



Nice! PC graphics in year 2030.

Despite my bitching this is exactly the sort of game I'd like to see more of. Single-player is nearly in the morgue and if I spent 70hrs in Inquisition I can easily picture spending 100+ in this and graphics aside only Rockstar can match CD Projekt when it comes to decent characters and well plotted missions overall. Not even Bioware. This isn't some cliched good vs evil fantasy. When was the last time a dev packed this much in? And I'm not talking MMO fetch quests (which will be here, Geralt IS a monster hunter after all, but the main and some side missions seem to be filmic and threaded not go here and fetch 5 feathers). Tuesday here mmmm. Its not a 6hr single player shooter "campaign".
 

smackababy

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i agree with you on crysis1.hell some parts of that game still look beutiful today.

Too bad that as a game, it is just mediocre at best. I'd rather have a game not look as good and be a good game than something that looks great and that's about it.
 

Zanovar

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Too bad that as a game, it is just mediocre at best. I'd rather have a game not look as good and be a good game than something that looks great and that's about it.

I agree again.i just forced myself to finish crysis 3 i didnt enjoy it if im honest.im having a lot more fun playing the walking dead*shrug*.
 
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zinfamous

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From the link that Zenoth posted, with the dev interview, it makes tons of sense to me: wehave this great engine, we built this great world with amazing effects...but once we started building the concept--the open world and all that--it simply became unplayable.

So, the early development videos from 20seconds to several minutes of limited map spaces, never were part of a game. It was the engine, doing what the engine did. None of that was ever in a playable version of the game.

That makes sense to me, anyway. If people need to bitch about seeing that stuff, 2 years ago, and getting bitter that it wasn't every frame of the final product, then well...I want to feel sympathy but I really don't. I do get that it appears misleading, perhaps intentionally, but c'mon--everyone knows what marketing means.

Any good game should be about playability 90% of the time--eye candy the remaining 10%. Good to see, at least, that everyone here still seems to recognize that. If this thing looks at least as good as DAI, if not a bit better, then how can it not be a win?
 

Riceninja

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the way things are playing out, im very glad that i sold off this game on ebay.

i'll pick it up on steam bargain bin for $10 this winter when they put out an enchanced edition with better graphics.
 
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