There is hope for AGP !

[shabby]

Originally posted by: conlan
From the ATI website

Features
321 million transistors on 90nm fabrication process
Ultra-threaded architecture with fast dynamic branching
Sixteen pixel shader processors
Eight vertex shader processors
256-bit 8-channel GDDR3/GDDR4 memory interface
Native PCI Express x16 bus interface
Dynamic Voltage Control

Thats what the rialto agp bridge chip is for.

 

[standard141]

i dunno i might my memory might be bad but i do recall reading that nvidia and ATI are trying to phase out agp. has to be a typo

 

[conlan]

Originally posted by: Cali3350

Originally posted by: conlan
From the ATI website

Features
321 million transistors on 90nm fabrication process
Ultra-threaded architecture with fast dynamic branching
Sixteen pixel shader processors
Eight vertex shader processors
256-bit 8-channel GDDR3/GDDR4 memory interface
Native PCI Express x16 bus interface
Dynamic Voltage Control

ATi made a bridge chip for the X850 series. Im sure it would work.



That would be very cool if they could pull it off
I wonder if there would be a performance hit like we saw in the PCI vs. AGP days.

 

[tuteja1986]

call them up ! email them ! ask em what the hell is the bus : PCI e or AGP !

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: southpawuni
haha lame.
die agp.

I'm on PCIe too but I dont force others to join the PCIe bandwagon.

 

[Rage187]

I hope for my AGP brothers it's true, but I'm still thinking this is a typo.

 

[Cali3350]

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT
If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

Becuase the AGP systems we have are more then powerful enough to drive that $400 chip by themselves, and that $50 would be a completely worthless upgrade.

 

[dfloyd]

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT
If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

New SFF PCI E case more like $400 upgrade. And my friend already has a nice SFF he paid quite a bit for and he does not want to switch from a Shuttle SFF. Thats one good reason.

 

[imported_g33k]

Originally posted by: Cali3350

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT
If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

Becuase the AGP systems we have are more then powerful enough to drive that $400 chip by themselves, and that $50 would be a completely worthless upgrade.

qft

 

[Hacp]

If your willing to pay 300 bucks for the couponed EVGA 7800GT with rebates, why not just fork over the extra 50 bucks and buy a non couponed EVGA 7800GT with no rebates???

 

[apoppin]

Featuring:
? ATI Radeon® X1800
? Memory: 256MB DDR
? Slot: AGP or PCIE
? With: DVI, Dual Monitor & TV-Out
? AGP Version includes VIVO

pretty clear

about time

 

[apoppin]

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

AGP
? 420 Watts or greater power supply with one available Molex power connector (i.e., disk drive connector)
? Intel® Pentium® IVor AMD Athlon®, Athlon(r) 64, Athlon® XP
? System Memory: 512 MB or higher. 512MB recommended
? 90MB available hard disk space
? One available AGP 4x/8x slot
? CD-ROM/DVD-ROM Drive (for software installation)
* DVD-ROM required for DVD Playback.
? Windows® XP Home/Pro, Windows® 2000
? High-resolution MultiSync or multi-frequency monitors or any other type or VGA monitor.
? Digital flat-panel (DFP) displays or digital CRT display.
? Connecting Device for CrossFireT--Only one display while enable Cross-Fire



PCIE
? 420 Watt ATX 2.0 or greater power supply.Consult your computer system manual to ensure the power supply is designed to accommodate a high-end graphics card with a peak dissipation above 75 watts.
? Intel® Pentium® IVor AMD Athlon®, Athlon(r) 64, Athlon® XP
? System Memory: 512 MB or higher. 512MB recommended
? 90MB available hard disk space
? Motherboard with free PCI Express? slot and correct PCIe chipset driver.
? CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive (for installation software).
? PCI Express? compatible system with a specialized 12v graphics card power connector.
* DVD-ROM required for DVD Playback.
? Microsoft Windows® XP (Home or Pro) or Windows® 2000
? High-resolution MultiSync or multi-frequency monitors or any other type or VGA monitor.
? Digital flat-panel (DFP) displays or digital CRT display.
? Connecting Device for CrossFireT--Only one display while enable Cross-Fire

looks like 2 versions . . . now you 'PCIe only' people can STFU

please



soon as the xt version gets released in AGP, i'm on it.


oops

thought it was 'edit'

looks like some company got hold of a bridge chip

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Featuring:
? ATI Radeon® X1800
? Memory: 256MB DDR
? Slot: AGP or PCIE
? With: DVI, Dual Monitor & TV-Out
? AGP Version includes VIVO

pretty clear

about time

Maybe they mistook it for the x800XL????? I'm sure the inquirer wouldn't have missed it..

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: apoppin
Featuring:
? ATI Radeon® X1800
? Memory: 256MB DDR
? Slot: AGP or PCIE
? With: DVI, Dual Monitor & TV-Out
? AGP Version includes VIVO

pretty clear

about time

Maybe they mistook it for the x800XL????? I'm sure the inquirer wouldn't have missed it..

sure . . the manufacturer might be mixed up

:roll:

to be fair they DID mess up:

RADEON X800 Technology Specifications

Features

* 321 million transistors on 90nm fabrication process
* Ultra-threaded architecture with fast dynamic branching
* Sixteen pixel shader processors
* Eight vertex shader processors
* 256-bit 8-channel GDDR3/GDDR4 memory interface
* Native PCI Express x16 bus interface
* Dynamic Voltage Control

Ring Bus Memory Controller

* 512-bit internal ring bus for memory reads
. . . . . Support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 programmable vertex and pixel shaders in hardware

theinq doesn't update over the weekend [much]

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Hacp
I'm sure the inquirer wouldn't have missed it..

Actually Inq has been pretty late (recently) with the latest developments..

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

Originally posted by: Cali3350

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT
If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

Becuase the AGP systems we have are more then powerful enough to drive that $400 chip by themselves, and that $50 would be a completely worthless upgrade.

It's a completely worthless upgrade for things like SATA II, dual channel, and cooler running/higher overclocking chips, as well as the soon to be standard PCI-E interface? AGP has to die at some point, just like every other component that gets replaced with the next best thing.

 

[Snakexor]

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT

Originally posted by: Cali3350

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT
If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

Becuase the AGP systems we have are more then powerful enough to drive that $400 chip by themselves, and that $50 would be a completely worthless upgrade.

It's a completely worthless upgrade for things like SATA II, dual channel, and cooler running/higher overclocking chips, as well as the soon to be standard PCI-E interface? AGP has to die at some point, just like every other component that gets replaced with the next best thing.

i have dual channel, and my venice will do 2.6ghz on my neo2 or a dfi ultra-d, so other than the not a huge deal sataII, there is no reason to upgrade other than to waste $$

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT

Originally posted by: Cali3350

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT
If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

Becuase the AGP systems we have are more then powerful enough to drive that $400 chip by themselves, and that $50 would be a completely worthless upgrade.

It's a completely worthless upgrade for things like SATA II, dual channel, and cooler running/higher overclocking chips, as well as the soon to be standard PCI-E interface? AGP has to die at some point, just like every other component that gets replaced with the next best thing.

but it doesn't have to die when you 'say so'.
:thumbsdown:

Intel can offer me nothing cost-effective or even worthwhile over my P4@3.31Ghz . . .
Why must i change platforms completely JUST to upgrade my video?

 

[crazydingo]

I think we've already established the fact that there is still demand for AGP based videocards (from the online petition to the recent poll here). What is surprising that people who already have PCIe want AGP "dead" when it has no adverse effects on them. Any partner of ATI or Nvidia offering AGP variants does not mean prices of PCIe cards go up, does it? So whats the reason again?

 

[Piuc2020]

I just want to get a kickass agp card now to go with my p4 at 3ghz to make the jump to a PCI-E DX10 & Dual Core proc when there is stuff that actually utilizes it fully.

So yeah, I'm praying Nvidia releases either a 6800GS in AGP or a 7800GT in AGP.

 

[conlan]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: southpawuni
haha lame.
die agp.

I'm on PCIe too but I dont force others to join the PCIe bandwagon.

Ditto and Amen!

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020
Awesome, I just hope nvidia follows and releases a 7800GT agp and sells it for 300$ (its 320$ now so one can hope) as well as release a 6800GS AGP version that sells for 200$.

Negative on the 6800GS. PCI-E native chip and they just released the GS to empty chip stock

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT
If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

Yeah really. Even if you have S754 you can get an nForce4 mobo.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Cali3350
Becuase the AGP systems we have are more then powerful enough to drive that $400 chip by themselves, and that $50 would be a completely worthless upgrade.

$50 to have a more recent chipset and the ability to upgrade to whatever PCI-E card you want? I don't think anyone would call that worthless...