There is hope for AGP !

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT
If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

Yeah really. Even if you have S754 you can get an nForce4 mobo.

Whoa, hold on there a minute. I've been out of the mobo loop since mylast upgrade...to S754. Which nF4 mobo's will support my chip?

 

[Budarow]

DING, DING, DING...WE HAVE A WINERRRR!

 

[Kalessian]

Originally posted by: conlan

Originally posted by: Hacp
Ya I would think that Sapphire or Connect 3D would be the ones who would make the AGP version, not some no-name brand .

Diamond has been making VidCards for a longtime.

Diamond Vipers.... how has anyone not heard of them? My first Monster3d card was a viper.

I still remember their site by heart. diamondmm.com Many a time I had to go to that site to get driver patches for games. Early 3dfx support was shoddy.

 

[DidlySquat]

Originally posted by: conlan

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
How has it changed?

Featuring:
? ATI Radeon® X1800
? Memory: 256MB DDR
? Slot: PCIE
? With: DVI, Dual Monitor & TV-Out
? AGP Version includes VIVO

It used state:
Slot: AGP or PCI-E

I haven't recieved a reply to my e-mail from Diamond, but it looks like they're trying to correct the webpage.

they REMOVED most of the references to AGP from their webpage (originally it had AGP reuirements, etc) but forgot to remove this one line about AVIVO (which doesn't even makes sense cause why wouldnt the pci-e version have it too ?).

So, the suckers out there, you can rest assured there is NO AGP version. +inquirere PWNED big time

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT

Originally posted by: Cali3350

Originally posted by: Inappropriate4AT
If you're willing to buy a $375-400 card for your AGP board, why wouldn't you be willing to spend the $50 or so to upgrade to PCI-E? I don't understand why it's so important or exciting that next gen cards get bridged for AGP use...

Becuase the AGP systems we have are more then powerful enough to drive that $400 chip by themselves, and that $50 would be a completely worthless upgrade.

It's a completely worthless upgrade for things like SATA II, dual channel, and cooler running/higher overclocking chips, as well as the soon to be standard PCI-E interface? AGP has to die at some point, just like every other component that gets replaced with the next best thing.

SATA II does very little for current hard drives, dual channel is available in AGP boards, the chip difference is not particularly great at this point.

For instance, I currently have a 6800GT on an overclocked 2.25GHz Athlon XP setup. If I were to upgrade, I'd go for a Athlon 64 AGP setup, as I have no need to ditch my gfx card yet. It would be nice to have the option for faster AGP cards down the line. If somebody in my situation moved to an Athlon 64 AGP setup a year or so ago, they'd be completely hosed with new AGP gfx cards upgrades while maintaining what will remain a very viable motherboard and chip. Not everyone wants to ditch all of their current hardware when upgrading, especially in a situation where there is little to no speed benefit from getting a 'newer' technology (e.g. AGP 8X is still more than adequate for gfx cards). Technology transitions forced upon the user are a bad idea for those who don't want to ditch a whole subset of technologies at once.

 

[Bull Dog]

I'm trying really hard here not to say I told you so.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

another question is, why buy an overpriced x1800 agp, if u can have a x850xt as well. its cheaper, consumes less power, generates less heat, doesnt have noisy fan, and the performance is only slightly slower than of a x1800xl. the x1800xl truely sukcs. its ATI´s geforce 5...

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
another question is, why buy an overpriced x1800 agp, if u can have a x850xt as well. its cheaper, consumes less power, generates less heat, doesnt have noisy fan, and the performance is only slightly slower than of a x1800xl. the x1800xl truely sukcs. its ATI´s geforce 5...

WMV, H.264, AVIVO, encode/decode support.

 

[conlan]

Recieved a reply from Diamond:


Sean,

X1800 AGP will not be available at this point. However, we will make the
PCIE version available.

Thanks for the inquiry, let me know if you have any further questions.

Lindawaty
linda@diamondmm.com
tel: 818-534-1432
fax: 818-773-9619

 

[fliguy84]

xbitlabs reports that it was a misprint here.

so another hope is lost for agp this gen

 

[solofly]

I had a Diamond product once, 3dfx Voodoo2.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: fliguy84
xbitlabs reports that it was a misprint here.

so another hope is lost for agp this gen

not necessarily . . . from the article:

With Rialto, ATI have made the technology available to our partners to create whichever AGP products they believe will work in their markets. If, in 2006, you do not see any new AGP cards that cost over $400, then you have to assume that the add-in-card makers have decided that the market is not there anymore. PCI cards still sell to this day, but only at the very low end. Over time, the same will be true of AGP,? Andrzej Bania, a spokesman for ATI said.

Minimal batch of graphics cards at a manufacturer is about 5000 - 10 000 units. . . .

it is definitely up to ati's partners . . . the technology is available . . . do they think they can sell 5,000 high-end AGP cards at ~$500 each?
:thumbsup:

i think they would easily sell 10K units

but it does not depend on me . . . as i said before, we will see x1800xts IF they perceive demand.

 

[BespinReactorShaft]

Originally posted by: conlan
X1800 AGP will not be available at this point. However, we will make the
PCIE version available.

Hmmmm......

 

[conlan]

Originally posted by: BespinReactorShaft

Originally posted by: conlan
X1800 AGP will not be available at this point. However, we will make the
PCIE version available.

Hmmmm......

For all those serious about wanting a high-end AGP vidcard, i would suggest organizing a joint forums e-mail blitz of the vidcard vendors. I don't mean a petition (although that's a good idea as well) but an all-out e-mail assualt. If the demand is truly there, someones bound to take notice. Just a thought.

 

[obeseotron]

Why would anyone invest in a new high end agp card? I can see someone with a 9700 or 9800 moving up to the forthcoming 6800gs agp, but why would anyone who spends the money for high end graphics want to lock themselves into using an old motherboard? If you want a new cpu in a year there will be new sockets and you won't be able to buy one because it would mean buying a new graphics card as well.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Why would anyone invest in a new high end agp card? I can see someone with a 9700 or 9800 moving up to the forthcoming 6800gs agp, but why would anyone who spends the money for high end graphics want to lock themselves into using an old motherboard? If you want a new cpu in a year there will be new sockets and you won't be able to buy one because it would mean buying a new graphics card as well.

Because some of don't want to spend a great deal of money on computers. And that new cpu your going to want in a year will prolly require a new motherboard as well.
PCI-e is a fine idea, but no video card made can saturate the AGP buss. I don't mind spending money on better hardware, but have no desire to spend it on hardware thats only different, not better.

 

[imported_g33k]

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Why would anyone invest in a new high end agp card? I can see someone with a 9700 or 9800 moving up to the forthcoming 6800gs agp, but why would anyone who spends the money for high end graphics want to lock themselves into using an old motherboard? If you want a new cpu in a year there will be new sockets and you won't be able to buy one because it would mean buying a new graphics card as well.

How many time do we have to explain it? Those of us with n-force 3 mobos don't need a complete system upgrade. I'm fine with my proc for at least another year. All I need is video. Guys like apoppin have an oc'd p4 with agp. He would need a complete system upgrade costing hundreds and it would only be a sidegrade. AGP had died prematurely, it could go at least another gen. nVidia will not be the one to do it though because they want everyone to move to their latest n-force 4 chipset. ATi which does not have such a large stake in chipsets have the most to gain by making high end AGP availabe. Therefore I think it will come eventually from an ATi partner.

If I could upgrade to a 7800 in agp I would of done it months ago. Until then I will keep my 6800gt until I have to go lower than 1280x960. I probably will not have long to wait. FEAR and COD 2 already push my card at that res.

 

[Compellor]

Originally posted by: solofly
I had a Diamond product once, 3dfx Voodoo2.

I still have my Diamond Monster Voodoo 1.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Why would anyone invest in a new high end agp card? I can see someone with a 9700 or 9800 moving up to the forthcoming 6800gs agp, but why would anyone who spends the money for high end graphics want to lock themselves into using an old motherboard? If you want a new cpu in a year there will be new sockets and you won't be able to buy one because it would mean buying a new graphics card as well.

because a video card is NOT an "investment"

and i plan to "toss" my old rig - entirely - AFTER my x1800xt AGP serves its 2-3 year useful life
[and do the complete makeover]

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Why would anyone invest in a new high end agp card? I can see someone with a 9700 or 9800 moving up to the forthcoming 6800gs agp, but why would anyone who spends the money for high end graphics want to lock themselves into using an old motherboard? If you want a new cpu in a year there will be new sockets and you won't be able to buy one because it would mean buying a new graphics card as well.

There's nothing wrong with my current cpu & mobo. My CPU doesn't bottleneck the gfx card (6800GT) now, and has plenty of headroom for more OCing.

So, I'd have to replace a perfectly fine CPU & mobo just to get a better PCIe gfx card.

I can afford one or the other, but not both.

I see no reason in upgrading CPU & mobo, I'd need to keep my gfx card so it would have to be a NF3 mobo. But then I couldn't upgrade my gfx card. This would result in pretty much zero gaming performance improvement for several hundred $'s. That doesn't make sense to me?

So, at this point, I'm locked out of the upgrade market :thumbsdown: That's no good for me or manufacturers.

The only sensable (priceerformance) upgrade is another gfx card.

If I had an AXP 1800 on 133 FSB mobo, OK. That kinda rig I can see dumping, it couldn't handle a new gfx card. Time to go.

This may have the effect of pushing peeps to consoles. Thats the only "upgrade" path available for the budget. Keep the old rig to the side to play my collection games, use the console for the newer games.

I don't think nVidia and ATI have thought this (abandoning AGP) out very well. Forcing peeps to move over to consoles ain't gonna help PC manufacturers. Whether it be gfx cards, cpu or ram manufacturers. Nor PC game companies.

Fern

 

[Cross]

I agree that it would be a GREAT idea

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Why would anyone invest in a new high end agp card? I can see someone with a 9700 or 9800 moving up to the forthcoming 6800gs agp, but why would anyone who spends the money for high end graphics want to lock themselves into using an old motherboard? If you want a new cpu in a year there will be new sockets and you won't be able to buy one because it would mean buying a new graphics card as well.

There's nothing wrong with my current cpu & mobo. My CPU doesn't bottleneck the gfx card (6800GT) now, and has plenty of headroom for more OCing.

So, I'd have to replace a perfectly fine CPU & mobo just to get a better PCIe gfx card.

I can afford one or the other, but not both.

I see no reason in upgrading CPU & mobo, I'd need to keep my gfx card so it would have to be a NF3 mobo. But then I couldn't upgrade my gfx card. This would result in pretty much zero gaming performance improvement for several hundred $'s. That doesn't make sense to me?

So, at this point, I'm locked out of the upgrade market :thumbsdown: That's no good for me or manufacturers.

The only sensable (priceerformance) upgrade is another gfx card.

If I had an AXP 1800 on 133 FSB mobo, OK. That kinda rig I can see dumping, it couldn't handle a new gfx card. Time to go.

This may have the effect of pushing peeps to consoles. Thats the only "upgrade" path available for the budget. Keep the old rig to the side to play my collection games, use the console for the newer games.

I don't think nVidia and ATI have thought this (abandoning AGP) out very well. Forcing peeps to move over to consoles ain't gonna help PC manufacturers. Whether it be gfx cards, cpu or ram manufacturers. Nor PC game companies.

Fern

Great post!

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Why would anyone invest in a new high end agp card? I can see someone with a 9700 or 9800 moving up to the forthcoming 6800gs agp, but why would anyone who spends the money for high end graphics want to lock themselves into using an old motherboard? If you want a new cpu in a year there will be new sockets and you won't be able to buy one because it would mean buying a new graphics card as well.

There's nothing wrong with my current cpu & mobo. My CPU doesn't bottleneck the gfx card (6800GT) now, and has plenty of headroom for more OCing.

So, I'd have to replace a perfectly fine CPU & mobo just to get a better PCIe gfx card.

I can afford one or the other, but not both.

I see no reason in upgrading CPU & mobo, I'd need to keep my gfx card so it would have to be a NF3 mobo. But then I couldn't upgrade my gfx card. This would result in pretty much zero gaming performance improvement for several hundred $'s. That doesn't make sense to me?

So, at this point, I'm locked out of the upgrade market :thumbsdown: That's no good for me or manufacturers.

The only sensable (priceerformance) upgrade is another gfx card.

If I had an AXP 1800 on 133 FSB mobo, OK. That kinda rig I can see dumping, it couldn't handle a new gfx card. Time to go.

This may have the effect of pushing peeps to consoles. Thats the only "upgrade" path available for the budget. Keep the old rig to the side to play my collection games, use the console for the newer games.

I don't think nVidia and ATI have thought this (abandoning AGP) out very well. Forcing peeps to move over to consoles ain't gonna help PC manufacturers. Whether it be gfx cards, cpu or ram manufacturers. Nor PC game companies.

Fern

Double post!