Sounds like he's negotiating and compromising. Something Reid and Obama refuse to even attempt.
Pick a position please. Is the tea party "a minority of the republican party" and "tehadists" or are they the republican party? Because right now you're conflating the tea party platform with the Republican platform, which is either a mistake or dishonest.
None of your duh-version has anything to do with how bad ACA is or how fiscal conservatives would prefer top to bottom single payer a la DOD health care - which has strong cost controls.
The Teahadist platform is merely at the extreme end of Repub ideology.
It's always been there, part of the Party, at least since the 50's. They've just been invigorated by failure of the Neocons & an influx of billionaire money. It's a name change.
If we really want to test your attempt at misdirection, we need only examine history. Years before the rise of the Tea Party, Repubs controlled both branches of the legislature & the White House, thru 2003 into 2007. Had they wanted single payer healthcare, they would have at least proposed it, but they didn't. It's not like Dems would have stood in the way, either, given that part of the Democratic Party, the Progressives, have advocated it for decades.
Nor have Repub leaders advocated single payer at this time as alternative to the ACA.
In that context, it's quite remarkable that you make claims they never have made while intimating that anybody other than you might be dishonest in this discussion.
I have said, several times, that I believe Republicans would get behind single payer with strong cost controls.
The Teahadist platform is merely at the extreme end of Repub ideology.
Libertarian theory is amazing for mental masturbation.
Too bad for the libertarians we live in the real world where it would be a disaster.
Yes, you've expressed that same fantasy several times, not that you've been able to illustrate the slightest interest on the part of Repubs, at all.
It's an absurd position in the face of Repub raving about "Government Dependency", the so-called "evils" of which are a core Repub/ Conservative value.
Can't have it both ways.
Yet they also loathe government spending which anyone with half a brain cell knows that Medicare is a runaway roller coaster.
I'm not saying they would love it. I'm saying given the option I believe they would get behind it as the lesser of two evils.
Lol, I guess you really haven't been paying attention to the GOP for the five years. Because I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Do you have some video clips of republicans saying they could get behind a single payer system from before the ACA was being debated?
I believe his point is there is zero factual basis for your belief. He is challenging you to support your belief by providing evidence.What part of "I believe" do you not understand? What's your address and I'll mail you a dictionary.
I believe his point is there is zero factual basis for your belief. He is challenging you to support your belief by providing evidence.
And I have repeatedly pointed out that a hot button issue for Republicans is controlling spending. This would be a trade-off for them.
Neither party has a proposal out there to actually control health care spending so there is no way to prove or disprove my statement.
Unless you know of a single payer proposal that actually controls costs? I haven't seen one.
So this belief of yours is akin to the flying spaghetti monster? Got it.
lol.
I have to believe that a person who thinks the Republican party of the last 5 years would get behind single payer in any way, shape or form is in some serious form of denial. If there's one thing Republicans believe in more than less spending, it's less government and more private market solutions. Single payer with strong cost controls? GTFO.
Explain DOD health care then. Specifically explain why the Republicans haven't attempted to privatize it, even CONUS
No, no, you explain it. We werent the ones that made an irrational claim, you did. Your reasoning comes from your gut and now you are backtracking and trying to rationalize your position.
So by all means tell us why they haven't pushed to privatize those programs.
To me, it's simple. There is no more cost effective way to provide health care than having civil servant doctors on salary, operating in government-owned and run facilities, and leveraging the buying power of the US Government to purchase supplies on a massive scale.
DOD has privatized or is in the process of privatizing a number of services including CONUS base services (AAFES, food court, housing). Clearly, the private sector can't touch the efficiency of DOD health care per capita.
I'm not backtracking. You just don't like what I have to say. Several of you have tried everything possible to minimize my point; you can't touch it though because it's well thought out.
Go ahead and keep calling names and making crazy analogies (Flying Spaghetti Monster? LOL). It just makes me look like the rational one in this conversation.
Listen guy. Your reasoning why a single payer health system makes more sense and why republicans should support it makes sense. The problem for you is that the republican party has not, in the last five years, made any rational decisions. You want us to believe that a party who has fought tooth and nail against any healthcare reform, has yelled "socialism" at the smallest hint of government involvement, has been complaining about government programs as enablers for the entitlement mentality, will some how be for what would be the largest government program ever?
Give me a break.
The Teahadist platform is merely at the extreme end of Repub ideology.
It's always been there, part of the Party, at least since the 50's. They've just been invigorated by failure of the Neocons & an influx of billionaire money. It's a name change.
If we really want to test your attempt at misdirection, we need only examine history. Years before the rise of the Tea Party, Repubs controlled both branches of the legislature & the White House, thru 2003 into 2007. Had they wanted single payer healthcare, they would have at least proposed it, but they didn't. It's not like Dems would have stood in the way, either, given that part of the Democratic Party, the Progressives, have advocated it for decades.
Nor have Repub leaders advocated single payer at this time as alternative to the ACA.
In that context, it's quite remarkable that you make claims they never have made while intimating that anybody other than you might be dishonest in this discussion.
The Tea Baggers were nowhere to be found when Bush and company were running record deficits with two wars, unfunded Medicare Part D entitlement, and trickle down tax cuts. But in 2008, they magically appear in mass numbers concerned when a black (D) moves into the WH.
"Taking our country back!" as they said. #1 stated goal is to get Obama out of office they said.
The Tea Baggers were nowhere to be found when Bush and company were running record deficits with two wars, unfunded Medicare Part D entitlement, and trickle down tax cuts. But in 2008, they magically appear in mass numbers concerned when a black (D) moves into the WH.
"Taking our country back!" as they said. #1 stated goal is to get Obama out of office they said.
The Tea Baggers were nowhere to be found when Bush and company were running record deficits with two wars, unfunded Medicare Part D entitlement, and trickle down tax cuts. But in 2008, they magically appear in mass numbers concerned when a black (D) moves into the WH.
"Taking our country back!" as they said. #1 stated goal is to get Obama out of office they said.
Tea Baggers? Let me guess, You went to a Tea Party rally and got tea bagged and you refer to them as Tea Baggers. I know I am dealing with a partisan hack but the Tea Party was against bush and aren't racist.
That's typical of you and your ilk when you have nothing you pull out the race card. You ignored the black Tea Party members which doesn't surprise me at all.
Explain DOD health care then. Specifically explain why the Republicans haven't attempted to privatize it, even CONUS