Which morals would I want forced on others? This should prove interesting indeed.
So you want a government ran by people who want their morals pressed upon the people?
Interesting.
You know I've never met a libertarian who was sane. They all seem to be Republicans that someone removed the stupidity from and replaced it with insanity.
Which morals would I want forced on others? This should prove interesting indeed.
You tell me. You said libertarianism is a moral position, you support libertarianism, so what morals would you support them pushing?
You tell me. You said libertarianism is a moral position, you support libertarianism, so what morals would you support them pushing?
No more war, man. No more illegal drugs, man. No more hate, man.
I think the Republicans would get behind fiscally responsible single payer. Unfortunately, I don't think either party has a proposal for that.
I think it would be great if they did as that is something I would support. I also think it is something they would never, ever, ever, EVER, support, EVER.
edit: to explain upon the above: republicans say that pretty much every other first world (or even slightly below that) country with a single payer healthcare system is 'evil socialist' type stuff. How do you see them supporting such a system?
edit 2: If the republicans would have supported single payer I doubt the democrats would have instead tried for what amounts to a republican health care plan.....lol
Tea Baggers? Let me guess, You went to a Tea Party rally and got tea bagged and you refer to them as Tea Baggers. I know I am dealing with a partisan hack but the Tea Party was against bush and aren't racist.
That's typical of you and your ilk when you have nothing you pull out the race card. You ignored the black Tea Party members which doesn't surprise me at all.
Why so defensive about being referred to as teabaggers? After all, it was the teabaggers that termed themselves as such before the ignoramuses bothered to look up with the alternative meaning of the word was.
Shame on you her209,
dont you know it is perfectly OK to refer to the POTUS by any number of demeaning slang terms because he's a kenyan socialist mooslem. But using a self appointed slang term for a bunch of slack jawed blithering idiots that can't form sentence is strickly taboo
I made some corrections because it kind of made you appear to be a slack-jawed blithering idiot that couldn't form a sentence. Capitalizations, punctuation and misspellings all corrected! And you're very welcome!Shame on you her209.
Don't you know it is perfectly OK to refer to the POTUS by any number of demeaning slang terms because he's a Kenyan socialist Muslim. But using a self-appointed slang term for a bunch of slack-jawed blithering idiots that can't form a sentence is strictly taboo.
Your edit 2 is intellectually dishonest. Not one republican voted for ACA, their wishes were not considered nor were they relevant.
ACA is what it is, to satisfy elements of the Democratic party. And neither party will ever bring a plan like I was proposing because the for profit health care industry has a strong grip on BOTH parties.
Because I asked shouldn't Democrats be for/against the things I listed, including the same things they booed Bush for but cheer Obama for, and then you quoted my entire post and added one sentence that wasn't even a question.Can you explain to me real slowly what point you are trying to make here? Why are you bringing up what you think are Democrats' platforms while we are discussing Paul Ryan's positions? Is it because you can't refute what I said and now want to change the subject instead?
No. Only about $7 trillion of it, and counting.Oh, I also guess Obama owns all $17T of our debt now, too.
The government should stop spying on its own citizens.The post you were quoting was just extreme rightists trying to move the conservative goal post again.
ivwshane once again proving himself to be the biggest troll on this forum.Another fact free post! Congrats!
The ACA passed a Democrat House. Laws don't stay the same forever never to be touched again.Negotiating and compromising? You mean by allowing the House to vote on repealing the ACA, which passed both Houses was signed by the POTUS and upheld in the Supreme Court, 40 separate times knowing full well it will never pass and then trying to toss in a rider on the CR that would delay the ACA from taking effect for another year?
Sounds more like whining because he didn't get his way.
The Tea Party, per se, didn't exist until Bush was out of office-
That sounds racist.Why wouldn't it be? It was OK to morph GWB into a monkey was it not?
The U.S. could secure the border any time it wanted to, and they could do it relatively cheaply by using drones. And that includes even just using them for surveillance and not shooting people who are invading the country.So you still believe it is possible to secure the border?
The ACA passed a Democrat House. Laws don't stay the same forever never to be touched again.
If Democrats had compromised with Republicans way back then instead of ramming Obamacare through, things might be different now.
And look at how the shutdown is going. Obama kept saying he wouldn't negotiate, wouldn't negotiate, Reid kept saying he wouldn't negotiate, wouldn't negotiate... and now suddenly everyone is in better spirits because both are now negotiating.
So, yes, the whole time it has been Boehner and Republicans/the House negotiating and compromising. Obama and Reid refused until recently.
Yes, it did. Just look at the dates of the videos on Youtube.
That sounds racist.
The GOP made a choice to not negotiate with Obama to help him achieve any legislative achievements. Their top priority was to make him a one term President and they view any win for him as a loss for them. The ACA was changed to try to get a few Republican votes but in the end there was not even a possibility of Republican votes without almost completely scrapping the entire bill.The ACA passed a Democrat House. Laws don't stay the same forever never to be touched again.
If Democrats had compromised with Republicans way back then instead of ramming Obamacare through, things might be different now.
And look at how the shutdown is going. Obama kept saying he wouldn't negotiate, wouldn't negotiate, Reid kept saying he wouldn't negotiate, wouldn't negotiate... and now suddenly everyone is in better spirits because both are now negotiating.
So, yes, the whole time it has been Boehner and Republicans/the House negotiating and compromising. Obama and Reid refused until recently.
Yes, it did. Just look at the dates of the videos on Youtube.
That sounds racist.
Your post explains why the Tea Party is progressively alienating itself from mainstream America, rendering itself wholly inconsequential except to those Repub legislators in gerrymandered safe states who have to pass through the TP primary election gauntlet to get sent to Washington.
It's so sad that the Tea Party got hijacked by a small group of very well funded right wing extremists who have used this once in a lifetime opportunity to disrupt, obstruct and disable rather than to help "promote the general welfare" of the people.
If you're going to hold Romney the Romneycare gun banner up as a good example of a Republican governor, that's not going to work very well.What exactly would the compromise have been here? If goal itself is to get everyone to have insurance, the ACA is the compromise from single payer. It was born in a conservative think tank and implemented by a Republican governor.
I'm saying that Obamacare was created from conservative ideas about how to insure all Americans. You're right, Democrats don't really want it. We'd rather have single payer but since we can't have that, we'd rather go the conservative way to get everyone covered instead of continuing the system we have today where a huge percent of the population remains uninsured.Again with the "extremist" labels.
Oh, it's so "extreme" for wanting things like equality of law and to stop being spied on and to stop indefinitely detaining anyone you want. So "extreme."
If you're going to hold Romney the Romneycare gun banner up as a good example of a Republican governor, that's not going to work very well.
People keep calling Republicans "extremists," yet look at how we got here. Look at how Obamacare was passed. Even Democrats didn't want it. They had to bribe people to get votes, and then they passed it so we can find out what's in it. Sounds pretty extreme to me.
Where are we now? We are where Republicans have said they'll negotiate, and all they want is people to have the same one-year opt-out option Obama gave special interests. That's it. If Reid and Obama agree to that this is all over. But they refuse. Sounds pretty extreme to me.
And they refuse despite Obamacare not working anyway! $90 million budgeted for the computer network, and it's already over $600 million and still not working! Obamacare is on track to get a one-year delay whether anyone wants it or not.
Well, just because it's the Republican way doesn't necessarily make it the conservative way. But that's a whole other thread.I'm saying that Obamacare was created from conservative ideas about how to insure all Americans. You're right, Democrats don't really want it. We'd rather have single payer but since we can't have that, we'd rather go the conservative way to get everyone covered instead of continuing the system we have today where a huge percent of the population remains uninsured.
Here's what the Heritage foundation has to say about Romneycare:
Could have delayed all of it for one year. It would still kick in before the elections.A delay of the mandate could create an imbalance in the coverage pools if enough healthy people think they can wait another year.
The GOP really blew it though. Had the house actually decided on a reasonable deal that would have gotten 20 Dem votes, the final deal may actually have included a year delay on the mandate.
They also lose the debt ceiling trump card as it's exposed that Boehner won't allow a default so they have even less leverage in the future.
I consider the Heritage Foundation to be a conservative think tank, and they do as well. Believing them not to be is an issue you have with your definition of conservatism.Well, just because it's the Republican way doesn't necessarily make it the conservative way. But that's a whole other thread.
I find it interesting how single payer would likely be better than the current Obamacare, but even (enough) Democrats didn't want it. And they can't use Republicans as an excuse since Republicans didn't vote for Obamacare anyway.
Could have delayed all of it for one year. It would still kick in before the elections.
Who knows, maybe the computers would even be working by then. Like I said, Obamacare might get a delay whether anyone wants it or not.
And correct about the debt ceiling. Boehner seems more willing to stick his neck out the past while, he held firm on the sequester which was mostly military cuts, and I thought the debt ceiling might actually be hit today. Maybe next time!
Sounds like Boehner improved his own position in the party a lot from this by satisfying most everyone in the House. He was really on the outs with the small government crowd, but he did give them a chance on this and went with it about as well as he could.