Thermal Grease

40sTheme

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Okay, I've looked on the internet and been led twenty million ways on the best way to apply thermal grease. I figured I would get something more cohesive here, so...
What do you guys think is the best way to apply thermal grease? If it matters, I'll be using an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 on a Core 2.
 

WoodButcher

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I think it's best to apply grease to all body parts before,,, oops, my mind wanders,

follow the manufacturers instruction, do it enough times and you will find your "own best method" the instructions given are the best almost foolproof way but we know there's a fool for all seasons,,,,,,
 

MarcVenice

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No need to worry about applying thermal grease 40sTheme, because the ACF 7 Pro comes with thermal grease pre-applied. The pre-applied thermal grease is as good as it gets, in fact, it's better then AS5. So just unwrap that ACF 7 pro, and slap it on your core 2 duo
 

40sTheme

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Thanks for the info there, Marc. Are you sure that it's really that good? Usually pre-applied stinks.
Well, while I'm on this, which one of those Arctic Silver articles would be correct for my 8800GT that I'm putting a DuOrb on?
 

MarcVenice

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Well, it's mx-2 thermal grease, I'm sure googling it with the word benchmarks or arctic silver 5 will come up with interesting results. And besides, it's working great on my x2 3800+ running at 2.6ghz. I'm sure it could run higher, temperature wise, if only my motherboard would allow for a higher overclock >>
 

40sTheme

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Yup, I looked up a benchmark, and applying AS5 only dropped it 1-3 degrees, and the 3 degree difference was only after Prime95 full load for 19 hours.
 

WoodButcher

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Originally posted by: 40sTheme
Well, while I'm on this, which one of those Arctic Silver articles would be correct for my 8800GT that I'm putting a DuOrb on?

Use the instruction for a bare chip, no IHS.
Don't forget ramsinks!
 

40sTheme

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Alright, thanks for all the help guys!
I'm pretty sure the DuOrb comes with ramsinks, no?
 

MadScientist

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New article over at MadShrimps comparing performances of stock Intel thermal pad, Tuniq MX-2, AS5, AS ceramique, AC MX-2, Nanotherm PCM+ and application methods. Link
 

Quiksilver

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What a very nice new arcticle. I can't wait until they tests the cool lab's stuff and IC7.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I took a look at MadScientist's link to the MadShrimps review.

You can take my word with a grain of salt, or remain skeptical about my summer '07 tests of IC Diamond against AS5.

But I note that despite mention of it on the first page of the review, it wasn't among those tested. That's observation #1.

#2, the bar-charts and results for the OC'd Q6600 are entirely in line with my summer tests, such that their "best" and "winner" -- the Tuniq TX2 -- would be tied for first place with the diamond TIM if it had been included. No matter how I cut it, my own load tests put the diamond paste about 3C degrees cooler than the AS5. I see also that they used the stock heatsink, testing with ambient around 21C. That's a hair below 70F and cooler than my own ambient conditions last summer.

With those sorts of results, even if TX2 is "just as good," I'll stick with the Inno Cooling product.

Afterthought, and point #3. With the stock cooler, we need to wonder whether temperature differences would be more pronounced as opposed to using an efficient cooler (such as I used this summer). I still need to think that through. Observations welcome.

There's reason not to like the diamond stuff -- it's a real b**** to spread. But how often are you going to fret about the extra trouble?
 

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Was anyone else shocked of the differences of spreading out AS5 and just letting the heatsink squish it results? ( In the madshrimps bargraphs)
 

MadScientist

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Originally posted by: Gautama2
Was anyone else shocked of the differences of spreading out AS5 and just letting the heatsink squish it results? ( In the madshrimps bargraphs)
Not really, although from the pics, the layer of TIM, when they spread it out, IMO, is too thick.
I do though agree with the article's author, "If you've spent enough time in overclocking forums your probably familiar with the ongoing debate concerning TIM application. Essentially two schools of thought exist. Spreading - in which an even layer is distributed over the entire IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) surface using a flat edged card or other object. And Dollop - in which a large drop or dollop of paste is deposited onto the center of the IHS and then the heatsink is mounted. Where-as spreading can incorporate tiny air-bubbles, compressing the paste should force more air out."

AC's and AS's application instructions, depending on the processor, use the dollup or line method of application.

Duck
I agree. They should have used a more robust HS. Anyone serious about oc'ing doesn't use Intel's stock HS.

I also noticed that Tuniq was quick to post Madshrimp's bar graphs on their website. Link

Footnote: I'm a bit skeptical about all reviews of the difference in performance of different TIMS. Can you really see a 1 or 2 degree difference in performance between TIMS? The author used Prime95 and Core Temp for the tests. The same programs most of us use. Using Core Temp two of the cores of my Q6600 read the same temp, 1 is 2 degress lower, and 1 is 4 degrees lower. I've tried resetting the HS a number of times but get the same results. I've checked the HS and CPU and they're flat. I think it's just the way the IHS sits on the cores. In the article the author states the temps are averaged, and his one Core Temp pic shows two cores 4 degrees lower than the other two. Core Temp reports whole numbers, i.e., 45 C, but the author averages to 1 decimal point, i.e., 45.2 C. Should he have rounded the averages up or down? If he did then AS5 and AC MX-2 would have the same results.
And are the temps while Prime95 is running completely stable? Mine are not. Even after running it for 6 hours I notice the temps of all 4 cores still jump around 1 or 2 degrees, so what's the average?

I'm currently using AC MX-2 on my Cooler Master Hyper TX2 HS with a Thermalright Bolt-Thru kit. I bought into the marketing hype and purchased a tube of AC MX-2. I was using AS-5. I tested both using the dollup and line method applications. I found no significant differences in temps, idle & load, Q6600 oc'ed to 3.0, 3.3, and 3.6 Ghz, between the 2 TIMS and the application methods. I prefer the dollup application method. It's difficult squeezing out a fine line of TIM across the CPU and if you get it too close to the edge it squeezes out over the CPU's IHS when you put your HS on.



 

WoodButcher

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Originally posted by: MadScientist
I'm currently using AC MX-2 on my Cooler Master Hyper TX2 HS with a Thermalright Bolt-Thru kit. I bought into the marketing hype and purchased a tube of AC MX-2. I was using AS-5. I tested both using the dollup and line method applications. I found no significant differences in temps, idle & load, Q6600 oc'ed to 3.0, 3.3, and 3.6 Ghz, between the 2 TIMS and the application methods. I prefer the dollup application method. It's difficult squeezing out a fine line of TIM across the CPU and if you get it too close to the edge it squeezes out over the CPU's IHS when you put your HS on.

When the article refers to "dollop, and line" they are speaking of manfacturers instruction, the two are both from AS5 dollop for single core, line for dual and quad, if your tim is squeezing out use a shorter line or less at the ends.
The articles photo of spread tim was definitely too thick. As for me I use a combination of the methods with some sucess, I'll spread w/ a card to a thickness that is almost see through, in fact the outer 1/8" all round is visible, In the area of the chip(s) a very fine line or small dot, much less than the instruction, then twist wiggle the HS into it.
My chips and heatsinks, both being lappd require much less TIM to ensure good contact, what the authors did was insulate the chip with TIM, I did this too my first time.
 

MadScientist

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Thanks WB for clarifying AS5's application instructions. My TIM lines were too close to the edge, but I did twist and wiggle my HS.
 

WoodButcher

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:thumbsup:welcome,
For me tech documents, instruction, all that good stuff is very difficult reading. I need to reread 3-4 times and cross reference or look up definitions so much by the time I get to the end I'm most often reading an article that has little or nothing at all to do with the original.
For me, I've installed heatsinks so many times it is just a matter os practice and consistant result.
When it comes to the most effecient TIM, Duck's the guy to ask, his testing was done w/ no pre-ordained agenda or sponsors. He does have more diamond dust than he knows what to do with but that didn't sway his reporting of temps or methodology.

I still use the AS5, I bought a big syringe and won't throw it away till it's empty. I'm a cheap bastard.
 
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Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck

Afterthought, and point #3. With the stock cooler, we need to wonder whether temperature differences would be more pronounced as opposed to using an efficient cooler (such as I used this summer). I still need to think that through. Observations welcome.

I like your thinking - no stone unturned. I think the stock cooler would show more variance.
 

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Originally posted by: MadScientist
Essentially two schools of thought exist. Spreading... And Dollop...

Make that three schools!

If you'll pardon the pun, I adhere to the 'finger sticking' method...

Since a pic is worth 1000 words HERE YOU GO

I wrap my finger in a sandwich bag/plastic wrap and spread the compound as THINLY & EVENLY as possible. Works first time, every time!

You should be able to read the lettering through the grease/paste when you're done... :thumbsup:


EDIT

BTW, ZeroTherm ZT-100 isn't worth a %$#^! It's about the same as AS5...

I just used that article as an example of how to properly apply thermal compound.
 
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