Thermalright Ultima 90 is out :)

[swtethan]

I think Anandtech should test it out. anyone order one yet?


http://www.anandtech.com/casec...us/showdoc.aspx?i=3068

 

[buddhatb]

Where have you seen it for sale?

 

[swtethan]

I saw it last night while ordering my ultra 120 x , yes it was an ultima 90. "where to buy" from thermalright page... one of those in north america... ill search tonight.

 

[Ika]

Originally posted by: swtethan
I saw it last night while ordering my ultra 120 x , yes it was an ultima 90. "where to buy" from thermalright page... one of those in north america... ill search tonight.

Wait, didn't you get water?

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Aflac

Originally posted by: swtethan
I saw it last night while ordering my ultra 120 x , yes it was an ultima 90. "where to buy" from thermalright page... one of those in north america... ill search tonight.

Wait, didn't you get water?

yes i did, it was external and not very portable, sold it for $0 loss

 

[swtethan]

http://www.heatsinkfactory.com...PU-Cooler-p-16607.html

 

[Corporate Thug]

OOS

 

[swtethan]

yeah, i know... sucks huh?

 

[aigomorla]

and how is this better then the ultra120?

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
and how is this better then the ultra120?

its just a shorter ultra 120 extreme

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'm still designing mobo and CPU ducts of Lexan for my "Chrome Lightning."

I'm using an HR-03-Plus for the nVidia 8800 GTS card -- waffling about going SLI when air-cooling with another HR-03-Plus will preempt use of a PCI slot.

The problem with the HR-03-Plus together with the Ultra-120-Extreme is this: To get a 92x25mm fan -- or even an 80x15mm Zalman OP-1 -- on the VGA cooler, you need to flip the Ultra-120-Extreme around 90-degrees with the narrow end pointing toward the case exhaust. Not a problem with proper ducting, but degrades load temperature by as much as 5C degrees without a duct design.

This Ultima-90 is about a centimeter thinner than the 120-Extreme, so potential for better VGA and CPU cooling exists in combination with the HR-03-Plus.

Here's what I mean, in statistical summary, per the flip-around for the 120-Extreme:

E6600 @ 3.35 Ghz VCORE 1.46875V 72.5F Room Ambient

While we're at it, get a load of this:

Chrome Lightning (1994 Compaq Proliant Server case-mod)

THIS REMARK FOR AIGOMORLA:

We'd discussed the possibilities or limitations of OC'ing a Q6600 on air versus water, and I agreed -- to push it where you did, you MUST go with water-cooling.

HOW-EVER . . . . . For the advantages of four cores, you can drop the multiplier, bump up the FSB and DDR2, and get stock temperatures on air. I didn't think about it until I started checking Kentsfield prices on the web a couple hours ago -- you know -- it's "July 22!!!!"

 

[HeatMiser]

Heatsinkfactory now shows as "in stock", so you can actually order the ultima-90. Unfortunately, it also says ETA Of 8/7, so you won't be able to get it right away.

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: swtethan
I think Anandtech should test it out. anyone order one yet?

I was going to sell my Tuniq Tower 120s and go with waterworks, but this seems lots better!!!

Jeepers, are they warped like Ultra-120? That would be even better!

 

[Ika]

Cool. Looks interesting... too bad I already pulled the trigger on a Big Typhoon.

Anyone know if the heatsink + fan height will reach over 150mm? The specs say the HS by itself is 139mm.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

ThermalRight tech-support was candid with me a few months back: They never publish their own lab-measurements of thermal resistance for their coolers, and expect independent reviewers to vindicate their new designs.

That being said, let me offer some speculations about the Ultima 90 and at least one other TR cooler.

It has six heatpipes; The Ultra-120-Extreme has eight. It's smaller, so the fins have less surface area to transfer thermal energy to air-flow. It's lighter (490g) as opposed to the U-120-Extreme (around 790g) -- so I would expect idle temperatures to be higher.

What I wonder about: Where are the lab-quality benchtest reviews on the IFX-14? Maybe I should look a bit harder. But I've been looking at that monster over the last day or so, in terms of size, weight, surface area and other features. Although it has fewer heatpipes, they are likely to be bigger heatpipes. Add, then, the impact of more surface area, similar weight, and the "back-side" heatpipe component that apparently fits underneath the CPU and motherboard.

I'm really tempted to try it, and if it doesn't seem to improve over the Ultra-120-Extreme, I might "flip it."

I suppose I'll have to weigh it against "Master--- C-a-a-a-rrrd! You're so won--der-fulllll!" and the budget-hangover after the end of the month . . . .

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck

It has six heatpipes; The Ultra-120-Extreme has eight. It's smaller, so the fins have less surface area to transfer thermal energy to air-flow. It's lighter (490g) as opposed to the U-120-Extreme (around 790g) -- so I would expect idle temperatures to be higher.

The U120 EX has 6 heatpipes, with the Ultra 120 having 4.

Ultima 90 vs. Tuniq Tower 120 Preview

On a side note, who cares about idle temperatures? Load temperatures is what matters because that's where the true efficiency of the cooler is measured and that's what affects your overclock. If anyone cares about idle temperatures, they would enable Speed Step and just lower the cpu speed at which point any decent cooler is good enough.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

RussianSensation said:

On a side note, who cares about idle temperatures? Load temperatures is what matters because that's where the true efficiency of the cooler is measured and that's what affects your overclock.

My mistake about number of heatpipes. I have both an original U-120 and the Extreme, and my absolute values for number of heatpipes "got confused."

Some conclusions I've made recently are based on better testing. Going back to that 950g Zalman CNPS-9500 and the 9700, we'd noticed -- that is I and a local friend who swore by Zalman's copper-monster and believed that heatpipes didn't really work -- that the weight of the cooler (reflecting the amount of copper in the base) was inversely proportional to idle temperatures. So if the heatsink base was heavier, the idle temperature values tended to be lower.

This would still "shake out" in terms of load values to show a higher idle-to-load spread if the thermal resistance of the cooler wasn't "stellar" -- the factor which you and I both agree is equally (or even more) significant for stability. So we'd find that while my friend's Zalman "flower" cooler would show slightly lower idle values for the same room-ambient, my ThermalRight heatpipe cooler weighing half as much would result in a narrower difference between idle and load.

Of course, as I said, I could be wrong about this, but I couldn't find evidence to the contrary -- and true -- I haven't been burning the midnight oil in searching for that evidence.

But -- if the observation is correct, then the heavier cooler that sports as many or more heatpipes, and offers more cumulative area in fin-surface, will provide lower idle temperatures as well as narrower idle-to-load spread. That ignores the size-thickness and length of the pipes, the wicking or sintered material used inside, and a bunch of other factors -- but . . . "ceteris paribus."

It's not a major point of contention for me, and I'll listen to all arguments, but without reviews showing controlled testing, we'd want to deduce something about the performance potential for a cooler before we purchase it, unless we intend to just take the chance, write a review, and if it doesn't meet expectations -- flip it on EBay.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

. . . Anyway, combining the information from the Anandtech review of May 5 and the link you show for a forum-review of the Ultima-90, it is obviously better than the Tuniq, which comes in second to the Ultra-120-Extreme. So even if it matches the U-120-Extreme for performance, there may be other reasons (size, shape and other factors) for which it could be a preferred alternative to the U-120-Extreme.

That still leaves me asking questions about the IFX-14. Many people will shun the IFX-14 because of its size and weight. But I want to know how well it performs as compared to these two other models.

[Maybe I'll trim my Filet Mignon and cigarette purchases for August . . . . I just tend to get hungry or nicotine-withdrawn while waiting for ORTHOS runs . . . . ]

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
. . . Anyway, combining the information from the Anandtech review of May 5 and the link you show for a forum-review of the Ultima-90, it is obviously better than the Tuniq, which comes in second to the Ultra-120-Extreme...

[Maybe I'll trim my Filet Mignon and cigarette purchases for August . . . . I just tend to get hungry or nicotine-withdrawn while waiting for ORTHOS runs . . . .]

Um... just a thought...

Speaking about saving your money, how many coolers are you guys gonna buy, trying to beat the Tuniq Tower 120?

A few months ago, it was the Scythe Infinity with 2/4x120mm push-pull fan configs. Remember those monsters?

Then it was the smaller Ultra-120 eXtreme, which were so goofed up that vendors were offering to lap them for a fee.

Now it's the Ultima-90 peashooter with a high rpm/high cfm 92mm fan (Panaflo 70cfm) WFO... Hello?!?!?!

Does it make ANY sense that an Ultima-90 will come close to, or beat, an Ultra-120 eXtreme?

That's basically what they're saying, if you forget the hype and *think* about it...

LoL! Why don't you just buy a Tuniq Tower 120 and get it over with?

 

[Daverino]

Originally posted by: VinDSL

LoL! Why don't you just buy a Tuniq Tower 120 and get it over with?

I would never by a Tuniq Tower, solely based on the fact that people feel compelled to threadshit about it in these forums.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

The several Anandtech reviews for same test-bench and some four prescribed over-clock settings were clear. Their room-ambients are well-controlled in those tests. And you can either conclude that the TR "Extreme" cooler reaches higher over-clocks at lower load temperatures, or just cut to the chase so that the data shows you -- for the same over-clock and test-bench and room-ambient -- and therefore for the same over-clocked load thermal power -- the TR-Ultra-120-Extreme has a lower thermal resistance than any of those coolers, including the Tuniq runner-up.

If the forum review that was linked here was hype, it's nevertheless consistent with three things:

1) ThermalRight often makes a smaller, more compact model for its current flagship cooler which matches the thermal-resistance performance of the bigger cooler in every way -- thus, the XP-90 and 90C did as well as the XP-120.

2) If one assumes that the Ultima-90 fits that profile in (1), then the test results of the forum "hype" review are perfectly consistent with the profile.

3) The Anandtech tests were performed with an Ultra-120-Extreme that had the deliberately chosen design of a bow or convex ridge in the heatsink base. So you can either lap it or leave it -- and it still outperforms the Tuniq.


Now -- tomorrow, next week, next month, next year -- somebody is going to come up with a better design or a more effective cooler. But based on the rigorous benchmarks and reviews through the years for ThermalRight's products -- some of which actually REPORT a measured thermal-resistance -- it would be understandable, if I were a bettin' man, to put my dime on the ThermalRight square.

Ya see, I don't defend their product because I already have one. I chose to buy one because there are three or more reviews, printed in as many countries, which consistently show the same thing. In fact, before I placed my order, I picked a German review of the product, took its data in a comparison with the original Ultra 120, applied that data to Joe Citarella's review of the original Ultra-120 at OverClockers.com using both a PC rig and other testing methods, and used Citarella's thermal resistance measurement to estimate the thermal resistance for the Ultra-120-Extreme.

It's about 0.097 C/W -- which is lower than a $200-plus Swiftech water-cooling kit.

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
Now -- tomorrow, next week, next month, next year -- somebody is going to come up with a better design or a more effective cooler... if I were a bettin' man, to put my dime on the ThermalRight square.

Ya see, I don't defend their product because I already have one...

Dude, this has gotta be eating you up...

If you say the Ultima-90 is the world's best HSF, I believe you!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: VinDSL

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
Now -- tomorrow, next week, next month, next year -- somebody is going to come up with a better design or a more effective cooler... if I were a bettin' man, to put my dime on the ThermalRight square.

Ya see, I don't defend their product because I already have one...

Dude, this has gotta be eating you up...

If you say the Ultima-90 is the world's best HSF, I believe you!

First of all you have to understand Bonzai when it comes to heatsinks the numbers says it all...
Like me I would suppose he might own well over 30 different heatsink....

I personally collect them and quite often can get them before they hit the market!!

I personally do not cater to the saying there is one best heatsink....

a good example was when the Scythe Ninja was kicking everybodys ass in all the reviews...

Then people started purchasing the Ninja and were complaining on these forums and other forums that they switched and only saw a degree or 2 difference....

well what did they switch from?
They had another fantastic heatsink and were assuming they would get a huge reduction in temps....

That never happenned for a few it happenned but not alot of people.

I have always felt that generally speaking you can call a particluar heatsink the best.
But what is the best heatsink for your system.....sometimes there must be the purchase of several heatsinks to address that question!!

Peace!!

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I personally collect them and quite often can get them before they hit the market!!

I personally do not cater to the saying there is one best heatsink...

That's cool...

If you say there is NO world's best HSF, I believe you too!

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
That still leaves me asking questions about the IFX-14. Many people will shun the IFX-14 because of its size and weight. But I want to know how well it performs as compared to these two other models.

Last time I checked, CoolerGuys has this in stock (Limited Supply)...