Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme E6400

Georgeisdead

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I recently purchased a thermalright ultra 120 extreme in the hopes of achieving lower temperatures on my overclocked E6400. Before I started, I took some baseline readings with the heatsink that came with my alienware. It looks like a Masscool 8WA741 cooler. At a 400FSB and a multiplier of 6, I was getting about 46 deg C idle and 65 deg C under load. Obviously this is a very tame overclock and the E6400 can go much higher than 2.4 GHz.

After mounting the ultra 120 extreme, my temperatures were only 44 deg C idel and about 63 deg C under load. For consistancy, I used TAT for temperatures and load simulation. I confirmed the load temperatures with coretemp but coretemp said my idel temperatures were about 2 Deg C high in TAT. I checked the ultra 120 extreme and the Masscool's surfaces with a razor blade to make sure they were flat. The Masscool's was flat and there was an ever so slight concave surface on the thermalright but almost imperceptible. The finish on the thermalright was also very good and not what I expected from some of the horror stories I read about poor quality.

Now, to finally get to my question, obviously bot heat sinks are of good build quality. I have tried remounting the ultra 120 extreme about 5 times with different orientations and different amounts and types of themal compound. All had minimal effect on temperatures. Since I am seeing almost identical performance between these 2 coolers, is it possible that my heat transfer is limited somewhere on the E6400 itself? Is it possible the motherboard clamp is impeding a good contact with both heat sinks and thereby limiting heat transfer? Has anyone seen a similar problem with their E6400 or other core2 duo's?

I'm interested to see if anyone has had similar problems and how they solved it. I thought about lapping the processor but believe I might only get marginal results at best if there truly is a problem with the heat transfer of the cores to the spreader.
 

mshan

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Same fan?

Is ambient temperature the same for comparisons?

And what thermal grease did you use? (I use Artic Silver Ceramique and it supposedly takes several days to settle into intended performance characteristics)


 

Georgeisdead

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I am using a scythe S-Flex SFF21F 1600rpm (same as anandtech review) on the ultra 120 extreme. Ambient temps are the same. I first tried using arctic silver ceramique. Then I tried the thermal paste that came with the Ultra 120. I experimented with various thicknesses but this really only made maybe a 2 deg C difference. At 1.36v, I expected lower temperatures from the ultra 120 extreme. If I had found some flaw with the base that was a major concern I could understand but this does not make sense to me. That's why I was thinking the evidence seems to point toward a heat transfer limit somewhere before the heat sink.
 

mshan

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I am not an overclocker (more of a silent pc / htpc enthusiast), but I would guess:

- put Artic Silver Ceramique on (see website for proper application to avoid air pockets), then wait a week for the thermal grease to settle.
- Arti-Clean is a nice two step cleaning solution that is cheap that I like to use, though don't know if it would make much difference from isopropyl alcohol; it's really cheap at SVC.com and many other online websites
- perhaps you just have a hot running cpu and need a fan that moves more air? And / or you need to wait till fall for cooler ambient temperatures to drop temps several degrees for you?
- I have also read some posts about people using the Sunbeam Tuniq 120 Tower with a high speed fan; over at SilentPCReview.com, the Thermalrights seemed to be recommended for silent pc uses, because the heatsink apparently works well with low airflow and a cooling running cpu

Good Luck!

 

Georgeisdead

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I will try your suggestion with the ceramique. We'll see how the temperatures settle out. Thanks.
 

mshan

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Check out the instructions at the Artic Silver website.

I believe you are supposed to run a single line of paste in a particular direction that runs between where the two cores would be in the cpu.

They say this is the way they found minimizes the likelihood of air pockets.

 

Raventon

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wad casing are you using?could it be due to your airflow of the case is bad?just a wild guess
 

Georgeisdead

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I have the new alienware case. I replaced the front 120mm fan with a thermaltake variable speed fan so I could monitor the impact case air flow had on core temps. Even at full speed, the thing sounded like a hair dryer but it did not affect the temperatures. So I don't think it is a case air flow problem. I also re-applied the thermal compound and so far no drop in temps. Still idling in the upper 40's. I even followed the instructions on arctic silver's website. The evidence keeps pointing to some conductive resistance somewhere...but I don't know where.
 

mshan

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Again, I want to reiterate that I am not an overclocker, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

I would recommend letting the Artic Silver Ceramique settle in for about a week with just modest cpu loads like web surfing.

I would then reset the cpu to stock speed, and run Orthos to confirm that the cpu is stable at those settings.

I would then start overclocking in incremental steps, again confirming stability with Orthos.

You could just have a very hot chip that doesn't overclock well, or temperature readings your motherboard is providing just might not be accurate.

 

toadeater

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Originally posted by: Georgeisdead
The Masscool's was flat and there was an ever so slight concave surface on the thermalright but almost imperceptible.

This is a well-known defect with the TRUE that Thermalright calls a "feature." These coolers consistently get better temps once they are flattened by hours of lapping.

Another thing you can try that isn't as difficult and time consuming is a pressure mod. You can put a penny between the clamp and the heatsink base to increase the pressure on it. This can also be done by using non-conductive washers.

Penny mod:

http://www.innews.dk/hoder.dk/forums/DH/penny-mod.jpg

Pressure mod:

http://resume.jbhfile.com/temp/mount5.jpg
 

Soulkeeper

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i have the same heatsink on my 9450
thermalright is my favorite heatsink maker, but these cpu's put off so much heat these days it's difficult to get the load temps under 60, especially if you have 30c ambients
I replaced the scythe with one of these dropped the temps like 10c (load temps were up over 70c on very hot days) but is considerably louder

soon as I pay off some taxes/bills i'm going back to water cooling, air cooling just isn't good enough for me
 
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