They call it swatting,” says grieving Wichita mother after son killed by police

dank69

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Yes swatting is stupid but so is shooting an unarmed guy answering the door. Of course, nobody cares about that part. Just another government sanctioned execution. Give the shooter a paid vacation and maybe a medal once the "investigation" finds he did nothing wrong.
 

snarfbot

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well the swatter may be convicted, the cop of course will be free to go after an investigation concludes that he handled the situation properly according to procedure and it was a lawful killing.
 

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I'd certainly like to know any account of that happened during the shooting, even if it's one that's probably not trustworthy, but it doesn't look like that's happening. Hard to imagine a scenario that might warrant use of deadly force from what we know. Nearly all the other police shootings involve someone antagonizing the officer. That's no excuse. Pissing off a cop is no reason to die either. This one seems different, so I wish I had more to go on to explain it.
 

jana519

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I'd certainly like to know any account of that happened during the shooting, even if it's one that's probably not trustworthy, but it doesn't look like that's happening. Hard to imagine a scenario that might warrant use of deadly force from what we know. Nearly all the other police shootings involve someone antagonizing the officer. That's no excuse. Pissing off a cop is no reason to die either. This one seems different, so I wish I had more to go on to explain it.

What do you mean. Deputy PD chief gave a timeline: http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192244734.html

Livingston provided this account of what happened when Finch opened the door:

“Officers gave him several verbal commands to put his hands up and walk towards them. The male complied for a very short time and then put his hands back down to his waist. The officers continued to give him verbal commands to put his hands up, and he lowered them again.

“The male then turned towards the officers on the east side of the residence, lowered his hands to the waistband again, then suddenly pulled them back up towards those officers at the east.

“The officers on the north side of the street feared the male pulled a weapon from his waistband, retrieved a gun and was in the process of pointing it at the officers to the east. Fearing for those officers’ safety, the officer on the north side fired one round.”
 

Paratus

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From another article there was a tweet from the apparent swatter.

More than a dozen Twitter users who claimed to be part of an online gaming community told the Eagle that the attempted swatting was the result of a feud between two Call of Duty players. The sequence of events, according to the Twitter users, began when one player threatened another with “swatting” during an argument. The intended target then provided the perpetrator with a fake address that happened to belong to Finch’s family. (Finch’s mother says that he did not play video games.)

A person whom other Twitter users accused of making the call posted a message reading, “I DIDNT GET ANYONE KILLED BECAUSE I DIDNT DISCHARGE A WEAPON AND BEING A SWAT MEMBER ISNT MY PROFESSION,” according to the Eagle. The account was later suspended.

Just remember folks, the police can show up at your house, at any time for any reason, or no reason whatsoever, and legally shoot you and everyone in the house. If you find this to be a problem consider who you vote for in your local elections and whether they might support changing local police training and policy.
 

FIVR

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Never call the cops unless you're sure a bunch of completely untrained, barely literate gun enthusiasts shooting everything that moves will somehow make you safer.

Believe it or not, there are actual instances when the above is true, for example during a terrorist attack or a mass shooter attack you can always use more targets to make yourself less likely to be a victim. I would call the cops if a bunch of ISIS dudes were killing everyone, otherwise I think calling them is pretty stupid. They won't help you and they very well might shoot you on accident or for fun.
 
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UNCjigga

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This is just sadness all around... For the amount of documented swatting instances, you'd think there would be some kind of best practice approach. Perhaps call the residence while SWAT is enroute, pose as a pizza delivery guy trying to confirm an address or something.
 
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woolfe9998

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Never call the cops unless you're sure a bunch of completely untrained, barely literate gun enthusiasts shooting everything that moves will somehow make you safer.

Believe it or not, there are actual instances when the above is true, for example during a terrorist attack or a mass shooter attack you can always use more targets to make yourself less likely to be a victim. I would call the cops if a bunch of ISIS dudes were killing everyone, otherwise I think calling them is pretty stupid. They won't help you and they very well might shoot you on accident or for fun.

Do you know what percentage of the time when people call the police, they end up being shot by them? I ask, because you'd really have to have some idea about that to be dispensing this kind of advice. It isn't enough that it's merely possible. It's possible to die every time you attempt to drive a motor vehicle or fly in a plane, but that doesn't mean we don't do it.
 

pmv

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Do you know what percentage of the time when people call the police, they end up being shot by them? I ask, because you'd really have to have some idea about that to be dispensing this kind of advice. It isn't enough that it's merely possible. It's possible to die every time you attempt to drive a motor vehicle or fly in a plane, but that doesn't mean we don't do it.

Probably depends somewhat on where you are and what race you are. Also, I think you should consider the context in which FIVR gave the advice, before addressing it in a completely literal fashion.

But it _is_ an interesting question. How often do people die because the police hesitate and don't shoot when they should, compared to how often people die due to police shooting when they shouldn't have?
 

TheVrolok

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This is what we can expect get the elite of the police force?

Actually, it doesn't sound like these were actual swat trained officers?
 
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TheVrolok

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Without anymore information that is an impossible scenario to judge.. Was there yelling from the apartment? Was the guy running to answer the door? Whats the area like, is it infested? How did the police announce themselves?
There's a video in the article. Dude was standing at the front door and police were behind concealment (not cover to be fair) across the street from the limited view in the video. Apparently he put his hands down and up. They could not not (double negative intended) see a gun, so they shot him.
 

Commodus

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'horribly wrong'? isn't the intent of swatting to get someone killed

The goal of swatting is to cause humiliation and grief. And that's the problem: they're not only wasting police resources, they don't understand the very real chance that their prank could get someone killed.
 

purbeast0

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Surprised there isn't more info in here. I saw this yesterday and it has more details about it including screenshots of tweets.

https://www.dexerto.com/news/argume...-swatting-incident-false-address-posted/41526

It was over a $1 match. This dude died over $1.

Here's a video of some youtube guy who interviews the swatter before he is arrested. The interview starts around the 5 minute mark. This guy has no remorse at all and sounds like a total fuckwad.

 

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"Wichita police released audio of the 911 call allegedly made by Barriss in which he calmly discusses that he shot his father and is holding his mother and younger brother hostage in a closet. He also says he's poured gasoline all over the house and may burn it down"

Knowing that, police might have been concerned about more than just a gun in choosing to fire. This is a very sad case.
 
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