They Did it! CA lawmakers pass bill requiring Trump, presidential candidates to release tax returns

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fskimospy

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I don't see this standing. How can a state change the rules of a federal election? And what happens when we have fifty different sets of election rules to deal with?
The last time this came up Governor Brown refused to sign it into law.

Because the constitution gives the states absolute power in determining how presidential elections are run.

If California wanted to it could pass a law tomorrow canceling the election entirely and just awarding all its electors to the Democratic nominee. If they can do that why couldn’t they require financials to be on the ballot?
 
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Because the constitution gives the states absolute power in determining how presidential elections are run.

If California wanted to it could pass a law tomorrow canceling the election entirely and just awarding all its electors to the Democratic nominee. If they can do that why couldn’t they require financials to be on the ballot?

I wish people understood this better regarding the EC, your vote is to whomever the STATE picks to represent your vote. Admittedly the rules are different state to state but what you described could easily happen.
 

Greenman

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Because the constitution gives the states absolute power in determining how presidential elections are run.

If California wanted to it could pass a law tomorrow canceling the election entirely and just awarding all its electors to the Democratic nominee. If they can do that why couldn’t they require financials to be on the ballot?
You could very well be right, I'm certainly not a constitutional lawyer.
If they end up doing this, shouldn't it be applied to every elected official in the state? Actually, shouldn't it apply to every government employee?
 

fskimospy

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You could very well be right, I'm certainly not a constitutional lawyer.
If they end up doing this, shouldn't it be applied to every elected official in the state? Actually, shouldn't it apply to every government employee?

If California is anything like New York then they already have conflict of interest laws that govern public employees which require significant financial disclosures.

Broadly speaking though yes I think all elected officials should disclose their conflicts of interest.
 

Greenman

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Seriously though, you're the classic "conservative" completely, willfully, ignorant.
And you're a classic liberal, smugly superior and convinced that you're infallible.
It could very well be that the law as written will stand as a states rights issue, if so I have no problem with it. Or it could be challenged because the constitution only lists two requirements to be president. Why do the states get to add to those listed requirements? I don't know where the line is drawn, but I can see it becoming a clusterfuck as the various states start gerrymandering the rules to limit who can run.
As with many political rule changes, the democrats start them and the Republicans weaponize them. I don't think that's a good thing at all. The way to beat Trump is by running a solid candidate that beats him, not by changing the rules to exclude him.
 

fskimospy

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And you're a classic liberal, smugly superior and convinced that you're infallible.
It could very well be that the law as written will stand as a states rights issue, if so I have no problem with it. Or it could be challenged because the constitution only lists two requirements to be president. Why do the states get to add to those listed requirements? I don't know where the line is drawn, but I can see it becoming a clusterfuck as the various states start gerrymandering the rules to limit who can run.
As with many political rule changes, the democrats start them and the Republicans weaponize them. I don't think that's a good thing at all. The way to beat Trump is by running a solid candidate that beats him, not by changing the rules to exclude him.

Again, California doesn’t even have to hold an election if it doesn’t want to.

I hope every state passes this requirement. It is frankly bonkers that we as a country need to rely on the good will of the president to have basic information about if he is corrupt.
 

Greenman

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Again, California doesn’t even have to hold an election if it doesn’t want to.

I hope every state passes this requirement. It is frankly bonkers that we as a country need to rely on the good will of the president to have basic information about if he is corrupt.
Indeed, we don't have to have an election, but we would then lose congressional representation.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
 

ivwshane

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Indeed, we don't have to have an election, but we would then lose congressional representation.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

That is incorrect as the constitution states how Congress members are to be elected.


A good way to think of this is that the constitution lists the only things that can be used to discriminate someone from becoming the president. Requiring a history of tax filings does not discriminate anyone as everyone is required to file their taxes.
 

fskimospy

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Indeed, we don't have to have an election, but we would then lose congressional representation.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

They don’t have to hold a PRESIDENTIAL election if they don’t want to. The constitution says electors are awarded by any means the state sees fit.

As I said before the CA legislature could simply pass a law that says the Democratic nominee automatically wins. This would be a bad idea from a governance perspective but it’s absolutely within their power.
 

brycejones

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And you're a classic liberal, smugly superior and convinced that you're infallible.
It could very well be that the law as written will stand as a states rights issue, if so I have no problem with it. Or it could be challenged because the constitution only lists two requirements to be president. Why do the states get to add to those listed requirements? I don't know where the line is drawn, but I can see it becoming a clusterfuck as the various states start gerrymandering the rules to limit who can run.
As with many political rule changes, the democrats start them and the Republicans weaponize them. I don't think that's a good thing at all. The way to beat Trump is by running a solid candidate that beats him, not by changing the rules to exclude him.

It’s really simple the states get to determine the rules by which candidates get on the ballot.
 

Viper1j

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Trump doesn’t need CA to win since it’s winner take all there.

You're forgetting the axiom, "As California goes, so does the rest of the country."

I don't think the rest of the country needs to go that way, but if enough of the country goes that way, Trump can't win.
 

zzyzxroad

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You're forgetting the axiom, "As California goes, so does the rest of the country."

I don't think the rest of the country needs to go that way, but if enough of the country goes that way, Trump can't win.
He could always disclose his taxes.
 

ImpulsE69

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I don't know that I would consider this something that is needed to be law. However, it is rather damning when it is common and you say you will, then don't and then flat out refuse to, and then furthermore try to take legal action to stop it.
 

zinfamous

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Absolutely let's get this done. All elected officials. How about their appointees? How about the appointees appointees? Let's make it easy --- all civil servants local, state and federal. Fuck 'em, privacy's overrated.

elected officials aren't private citizens when it comes to the decisions they make on your behalf. This is all rather logical, tbh.

I'd like to see a non-partisan, NGO physical and mental health association that is charged with qualifying major candidates for office. It would be useful, don't you think, to disqualify old motherfuckers suffering from observable dementia and with the mental capacity of a 13 year-old from serving as president and other high offices?

I'm tired of accepting proud ignorance and simple stupidity as some sort of noble goal over the educated and the experts. Tired of this kleptocratic horseshit that is the GOP standard for nearly 50 years now.
 

IJTSSG

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elected officials aren't private citizens when it comes to the decisions they make on your behalf. This is all rather logical, tbh.

I'd like to see a non-partisan, NGO physical and mental health association that is charged with qualifying major candidates for office. It would be useful, don't you think, to disqualify old motherfuckers suffering from observable dementia and with the mental capacity of a 13 year-old from serving as president and other high offices?

I'm tired of accepting proud ignorance and simple stupidity as some sort of noble goal over the educated and the experts. Tired of this kleptocratic horseshit that is the GOP standard for nearly 50 years now.

Sounds great. I'm sure the candidates will all have to have blonde hair and blue eyes in your little utopia.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Sounds great. I'm sure the candidates will all have to have blonde hair and blue eyes in your little utopia.

You have a lot of very strange, illogical fear in your life.

Why do you make these terrible arguments?
 
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