They Did it! CA lawmakers pass bill requiring Trump, presidential candidates to release tax returns

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Greenman

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Straight from The Constitution:
  • Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
  • No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Since the qualifications for candidates is stated in The Constitution states can not usurp it.
Don't the various states have differing requirements to be on the ballot?
 

Viper1j

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Sp now CA is in the voter suppression business? Not enough to game the system by loading up on illegal aliens, but now have are circumventing the Constitution.

By your reasoning, (convoluted as it may be,) saying that convicted felons can't be president, now puts the country in the "candidate suppression" business.
 

Viper1j

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Oh no! FUCK! Trump might not win CA is what you're telling me? How ever will he win?

Is that what you'll say about the other 19 states that are following suit? At some point, all states will have that requirement.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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By your reasoning, (convoluted as it may be,) saying that convicted felons can't be president, now puts the country in the "candidate suppression" business.

Hell, if I say I'm running for president and I can't get on to the ballot, according to him, its voter suppression.

Like all righty logic, its retarded.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Hell, if I say I'm running for president and I can't get on to the ballot, according to him, its voter suppression.

Like all righty logic, its retarded.
You talking about voter suppression makes you the vote suppressor.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Straight from The Constitution:
  • Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
  • No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Since the qualifications for candidates is stated in The Constitution states can not usurp it.

The constitution allows each state to establish its own requirements for a candidate earning a ballot spot. You quoted the part that simply established the requirements from a candidate to run for president, which is the same in every state and has nothing to do with the CA law.

Would you like to try again?
 
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Slow does bring up a good retarded point.

I support the idea of this because that should be a non negotiable job requirement.
I’m sure people like compuwiz & Slow will want Canidates to show their birth certificates to get on the ballot, then even when it’s done some dumb-dumb will say there is a problem with the birth certificate

@pcgeek11 apologies, I erred including you. Totally by mistake, I know you are better than above.
 
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Lanyap

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So if I understand this new law, it only affects the primary ballot and Trump could still be on the general ballot? Also, Republican voters could still write him in on the primary ballot?


While I believe Trump should have released his tax returns before the 2016 election, there seems to be disagreement from experts and pols. I can see states getting into tit-for-tat scenarios like releasing military records, health records, criminal records, court records, birth certificate, salary records, property records, personnel records, personal emails, all social media activity, ATPN posting activity, whatever...

My feels say blue states doing this will just make Trump's base mad and pump them up and make them even more determined to vote Trump.

Trump's rallies:
"and hey, what about this very stupid law stupid CA just passed keeping me off presidential election ballots. Can you believe it? {hiss, boo, hollering, lock them up, don't eat CA oranges.} It looks like we are going to have to declare CA a shit-hole state {yea, MAGA, 8 more years.} You people are very beautiful and very fine people. I don't care what they say about you."

Mr. Brown warned in his veto message that such legislation would be a slippery slope.

“A qualified candidate’s ability to appear on the ballot is fundamental to our democratic system,” he wrote. “For that reason, I hesitate to start down a road that well might lead to an ever escalating set of differing state requirements for presidential candidates.”

Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the law school at the University of California, Berkeley, and a First Amendment expert, said he was confident the state was on firm legal ground. He said that states also have the right to make a similar requirement for a general election ballot, and that he hoped other states would do so.

“The Supreme Court has said that states have broad latitude over who is going to be on the ballot so long as they aren’t discriminating based on wealth and ideology,” he said. “I think the state has an important interest in that the tax returns can provide vital information to voter.”

But by asserting themselves in national elections, states find themselves in uncertain territory, said Richard H. Pildes, a professor of constitutional law at New York University.

“There’s no question there are serious constitutional issues that are posed by this, particularly because it is a national election and it has implications beyond the state of California,” Mr. Pildes said. “What other kinds of regulations can one imagine that states might impose on presidential candidates to get onto the ballot?”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/us/politics/california-trump-tax-returns.html
 

ivwshane

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So if I understand this new law, it only affects the primary ballot and Trump could still be on the general ballot? Also, Republican voters could still write him in on the primary ballot?


While I believe Trump should have released his tax returns before the 2016 election, there seems to be disagreement from experts and pols. I can see states getting into tit-for-tat scenarios like releasing military records, health records, criminal records, court records, birth certificate, salary records, property records, personnel records, personal emails, all social media activity, ATPN posting activity, whatever...

My feels say blue states doing this will just make Trump's base mad and pump them up and make them even more determined to vote Trump.

Trump's rallies:
"and hey, what about this very stupid law stupid CA just passed keeping me off presidential election ballots. Can you believe it? {hiss, boo, hollering, lock them up, don't eat CA oranges.} It looks like we are going to have to declare CA a shit-hole state {yea, MAGA, 8 more years.} You people are very beautiful and very fine people. I don't care what they say about you."






https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/us/politics/california-trump-tax-returns.html

What's the problem with releasing all of that?
 

fskimospy

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So if I understand this new law, it only affects the primary ballot and Trump could still be on the general ballot? Also, Republican voters could still write him in on the primary ballot?

While I believe Trump should have released his tax returns before the 2016 election, there seems to be disagreement from experts and pols. I can see states getting into tit-for-tat scenarios like releasing military records, health records, criminal records, court records, birth certificate, salary records, property records, personnel records, personal emails, all social media activity, ATPN posting activity, whatever...

I think knowing who might be bribing the president is a perfectly reasonable thing for a state to require.

My feels say blue states doing this will just make Trump's base mad and pump them up and make them even more determined to vote Trump.

Trump's rallies:
"and hey, what about this very stupid law stupid CA just passed keeping me off presidential election ballots. Can you believe it? {hiss, boo, hollering, lock them up, don't eat CA oranges.} It looks like we are going to have to declare CA a shit-hole state {yea, MAGA, 8 more years.} You people are very beautiful and very fine people. I don't care what they say about you."

Meh, I don't think we should give even a single shit about what makes Trump's base mad. If someone is so into Trump that becoming aware of California primary ballot rules is firing them up they were going to vote anyway.
 
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blackangst1

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Absolutely. Please do this ASAP.
Aren't you tired of finding out candidates in all levels of government did all sorts of shady stuff in the middle of a campaign or after they are elected?
Even more so don't you want to know if the guy you're voting for has had 5 strokes and it's actually his wife or friend who's running the show?

Please drug test, do official background checks and get medical records for anyone running for office.

Extensive background checks are already run on POTUS and VPOTUS candidates
 

fskimospy

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Extensive background checks are already run on POTUS and VPOTUS candidates

By who? If they are they certainly aren't made public and it's not like the government could use them for anything anyway.

After all, Trump would very likely fail any background check for federal employment, certainly any one that required a security clearance. It doesn't matter though because those can't apply to the president.
 
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I think knowing who might be bribing the president is a perfectly reasonable thing for a state to require.



Meh, I don't think we should give even a single shit about what makes Trump's base mad. If someone is so into Trump that becoming aware of California primary ballot rules is firing them up they were going to vote anyway.

 
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blackangst1

Lifer
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Who does these reports? I have never heard of them.
By who? If they are they certainly aren't made public and it's not like the government could use them for anything anyway.

After all, Trump would very likely fail any background check for federal employment, certainly any one that required a security clearance. It doesn't matter though because those can't apply to the president.

Oops I was mistaken. No background checks are done.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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By who? If they are they certainly aren't made public and it's not like the government could use them for anything anyway.

After all, Trump would very likely fail any background check for federal employment, certainly any one that required a security clearance. It doesn't matter though because those can't apply to the president.

Yeah, there was some fed security dude talking about this on NPR the other week, I think related to the --again-- topic of deplorable security/background issues with everyone that Trump tries to bring into the fold. The idea is that POTUS receives no background check, because he is the one that is, essentially, the beginning and end of all security and intelligence in the country. You can't run a background check on the person that is...the background check.

It's one of those weird, organizational theory deals that applies to humans in an official capacity, where we have now encountered the very explicit and very obvious example of one particular human where this kind of organizational theory is completely broken. You also understand, if paying attention to legitimate news and not the fringe conpsiracy terrorist bullshit from the youtube longhairs, that this is exactly why Trump is and long has-been under extreme scrutiny by the FBI. They absolutely know this stuff, and understood the very same consequences well before the Tangerine Tumor waddled his way down the Trump tower escalator, declaring Mexicans to be rapists and himself to be the greatest [obviously: he meant the greatest rapist].

Anyway, when the primary security/investigation/intelligence agency is already long aware of an individual's substantial and alarming concerns regarding enemy nation compromise issues (blackmail), personal wealth defined by money laundering for international organized crime syndicates, etc., and that there is literally no legal recourse to address this serious breach of security with this specific individual, one understands why the FBI is actually doing their job, and taking it very seriously, to thoroughly scrutinize this person and, as some agents have revealed, harbor rather strong personal opinions about that very same person. Because, you know, doing their fucking job.

These are all true facts.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Sp now CA is in the voter suppression business? Not enough to game the system by loading up on illegal aliens, but now have are circumventing the Constitution.


Where in the Constitution does it say that the individual states cannot have laws regarding requirements for Federal Office? Hint, it doesn't. If your worst Democrat nightmare ran then guess what? They would have to pass the same requirements. Too bad, so sad.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Oh no! FUCK! Trump might not win CA is what you're telling me? How ever will he win?

He won't win CA, everyone who runs must provide the required disclosure and Trump has lost ground in key states. If he doesn't want to be exposed then he may skip the state.
 

SMOGZINN

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He won't win CA, everyone who runs must provide the required disclosure and Trump has lost ground in key states. If he doesn't want to be exposed then he may skip the state.

He will sue to try to get it declared unconstitutional, and with the current makeup of the SCOTUS who knows, but if he should lose he will just skip that state and use it as a campaign talking point to demonize Democrats and paint them as the enemy.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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He will sue to try to get it declared unconstitutional, and with the current makeup of the SCOTUS who knows, but if he should lose he will just skip that state and use it as a campaign talking point to demonize Democrats and paint them as the enemy.


He'll sue anything that moves or doesn't as he pleases but let him use the Democrats as a talking point for people like here who would vote for him regardless. The Dems can hold Trump as opposing revealing and perhaps controlling interests for his own sake along with Russian interference supporter, Moscow Mitch.

For anyone who takes an interest and isn't in Trump's pants, I'd say Dems look better. Trump would demonize his mother for a dollar.
 
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