They don't make guns like they used to...

[JulesMaximus]

Kimber is nice but to get one in the g'mnt model frame size would have cost me around $1,000. I'm saving my money for a nice Beretta Silver Pigeon II right now so the Kimber was not worth the extra money for me.

Frame fit on this Para-Ordnance is not at all sloppy.

They also included the spent cartridge after the test fire in an envelope with the gun, dated and signed by the technician and a Q/A check list that was hand checked (all items check marked in ink). I'm not saying that counts for much but it isn't something I've seen with other guns I've purchased.

I know Smith & Wesson test fires their guns though before they leave the factory because I bought a .44 Magnum about 5 months ago and the thing was filthy with powder residue...would have been nice if they could have cleaned the gun after firing it.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: cashman
Hmmm, interesting. A little off-topic, but I have been looking on getting a Sig P226. I want something with a hammer because I'm wierd; that's why I don't want a Glock. I was also looking at a Smith Wesson 5906 or the 910s....but the 910s has the magazine disconnect where you can't shoot anything (even if you have a bullet in the chamber) when the mag is out. Very wierd option IMO.

Your new gun is beautiful though......just a little too expensive for me.

I'm a Sig Sauer nut. Any reason you aren't looking into a P220. That's my favorite .45ACP manufactuered. One of the most reliable and accurate OOTB handguns. And of course, the P226 has to be good. I mean it's the SEALs official handgun.

Arent the SEALs getting HK Mark 23's now?

I'm not sure. I don't keep up with the Navy, unless it's to make fun of them. They very well might be.

My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: MookowArent the SEALs getting HK Mark 23's now?

I'm not sure. I don't keep up with the Navy, unless it's to make fun of them. They very well might be.

SOCOM ordered it from HK to replace the 9mm, since the 9mm wasnt putting people down consistently (duh). However, they may have moved on to something else, since the troops that were issued them were complaining that the Mark 23 is too big. The Mark 23 is a huge handgun, almost Desert Eagle sized. Accurate as a mofo, though.

I don't really follow the Navy either, but I thought the Mark 23 was just used to meet specific operational requirments on a as needed basis, rather than being the standard sidearm for the teams.... I thought they were still using the 226 as the standard sidearm... I believe the Mark 23 was primarily intended to replace a suppressed SMG (the mark 23 is designed around the use of a suppressor), allowing the operator to carry a more versatile or powerful primary weapon such as an M-4, and still have the capabilities of using a suppressed weapon for whatever such a weapon might be called upon to do...

And a comment about the Para reliability comments... While I never had the oppourtunity to own a Para (Just single stack 1911's for me), I had heard that running STI magazine bodies was a big enhancement over the Para-Ordanance bodies.... I don't know first hand if that was true or not...

Dave

Mark 23 Video

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The Mark 23 is no doubt a great gun, but it seems like a ridiculous extravagance for a military issue weapon. It seems to me that a Glock 21 offers nearly the same performance, and greater durability, for 1/4 the price, and without the same cartoonishly giant dimensions. On the other hand, the closest I have come to firing a Mark 23 was playing hours of Action Quake years ago, and maybe it's less silly than I think it is. I have put 100 rounds or so through a USP 45, though, and prefer the much cheaper G21.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment

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[MooseKnuckle]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS


You should try an LDA gun, while I haven't actually fired one dry-firing it gives me wood.

My only concern is the quality stories I hear over in 1911forum. I'm looking for something I can carry, & can't afford to have one just for the hell of it.

Viper GTS

Then, buy a KIMBER...

 

[JulesMaximus]

My only concern is the quality stories I hear over in 1911forum. I'm looking for something I can carry, & can't afford to have one just for the hell of it.

Viper GTS

What quality stories have you heard?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

My only concern is the quality stories I hear over in 1911forum. I'm looking for something I can carry, & can't afford to have one just for the hell of it.

Viper GTS

What quality stories have you heard?

I was wondering that too. The one Jules posted looks like a sweet gun, I may opt for one eventually.

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: cashman
Hmmm, interesting. A little off-topic, but I have been looking on getting a Sig P226. I want something with a hammer because I'm wierd; that's why I don't want a Glock. I was also looking at a Smith Wesson 5906 or the 910s....but the 910s has the magazine disconnect where you can't shoot anything (even if you have a bullet in the chamber) when the mag is out. Very wierd option IMO.

Your new gun is beautiful though......just a little too expensive for me.

I'm a Sig Sauer nut. Any reason you aren't looking into a P220. That's my favorite .45ACP manufactuered. One of the most reliable and accurate OOTB handguns. And of course, the P226 has to be good. I mean it's the SEALs official handgun.

I shoot a lot. .45 caliber ammo is expensive is hell....I'll check into it...

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: cashman
Hmmm, interesting. A little off-topic, but I have been looking on getting a Sig P226. I want something with a hammer because I'm wierd; that's why I don't want a Glock. I was also looking at a Smith Wesson 5906 or the 910s....but the 910s has the magazine disconnect where you can't shoot anything (even if you have a bullet in the chamber) when the mag is out. Very wierd option IMO.

Your new gun is beautiful though......just a little too expensive for me.

I'm a Sig Sauer nut. Any reason you aren't looking into a P220. That's my favorite .45ACP manufactuered. One of the most reliable and accurate OOTB handguns. And of course, the P226 has to be good. I mean it's the SEALs official handgun.

As far as I know, no branch of the U.S. military has ever used a Sig as their "official" handgun.

 

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Yeah, I really like the LDAs. If I were buying one pistol today, it would probably be an LDA (though I would actually like to try a 14.45, since I have big hands).

Why? It holds 10+1 and my LDA holds 8+1 (with a Wilson mag). If the government would remove the 10 round restriction I would definitely check out the 14.45 though. I prefer the slim, 1911 grip personally.

If the AWB isnt renewed this year, the 10 round or lower magazine restriction goes out the window, at least on a federal level.

Its doubtful it will be. It was too costly in terms of elections when it did pass, and the democrats seem unwilling to make it an issue. I predict it will go away this october, like it should.

 

[Danman]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Yeah, I really like the LDAs. If I were buying one pistol today, it would probably be an LDA (though I would actually like to try a 14.45, since I have big hands).

Why? It holds 10+1 and my LDA holds 8+1 (with a Wilson mag). If the government would remove the 10 round restriction I would definitely check out the 14.45 though. I prefer the slim, 1911 grip personally.

If the AWB isnt renewed this year, the 10 round or lower magazine restriction goes out the window, at least on a federal level.

Its doubtful it will be. It was too costly in terms of elections when it did pass, and the democrats seem unwilling to make it an issue. I predict it will go away this october, like it should.

That means hi cap mag prices are going wayyyyyyyyyyy down. I'm gonna sell all of my hi caps now at the high prices!

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Well I'll finally chime in and just say that Colt autos have never been made well. Well, that may be an exageration. Compared to the other makers out there, Colt comes no where close in the fit/finish department. I've had enough to know to go elsewhere. Same for S&W autos. S&W makes some of the best revolvers, and Colt has some great ones as well. But the 1911s Colt puts out are just rough. Maybe the looser tolerances and rough finish are somehow desirable and I just don't get it. But paying upwards of $750 or so for basic Colt MK series pistols is crazy.

The best 1911 value right now is the new Springfield 1911s. They kind of get knocked for being made in Brazil, but no one complained when Imbel FAL receivers were being imported from Brazil...The new "old" 1911 will run just $400, basically a remake of the old 1911 style.

As far as HK...sure they make some good stuff, but IMO you pay mostly for the name. Why would I want to plunk down that much cash for a company that puts out this brochure....

I'm guessing that gun will have a major problem at some point.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
As far as HK...sure they make some good stuff, but IMO you pay mostly for the name. Why would I want to plunk down that much cash for a company that puts out this brochure....

I'm guessing that gun will have a major problem at some point.

LOL - that is too funny. That really is almost unbelievable. I guess they just gave it to some photographer who knew nothing about guns, along with a box of ammo.

 

[BigPoppa]

I'm not big on handguns - whats wrong with the brochure? I'd guess they used some other companies gun?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa
I'm not big on handguns - whats wrong with the brochure? I'd guess they used some other companies gun?

It's not obvious, and I don't want to spoil it for others. It took me a little while to see it. If you aren't knowledgeable about handguns you will not notice it.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Guess it's what you get when you hire an MBA out of California

 

[ShotgunSteven]

I had to look at it twice myself, and I own an H&K USP-40. I was only looking at the gun in the picture, though.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I almost feel bad for HK - it is really expensive making those kinds of brochures, and having such an embarrassing technical gaffe on the cover would be a real bummer.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: BigPoppa
I'm not big on handguns - whats wrong with the brochure? I'd guess they used some other companies gun?

It's not obvious, and I don't want to spoil it for others. It took me a little while to see it. If you aren't knowledgeable about handguns you will not notice it.

It took me a while too, but now that I took a second or two to really look at it... hahaha.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Oh man, what idiot did that? That is really embarassing for HK. I can't believe they would print that and let it go to consumers.

That's as bad as the movies you see that show a bullet after it was supposedly shot out of a gun and it is flying through the air with the casing still on it.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
I almost feel bad for HK - it is really expensive making those kinds of brochures, and having such an embarrassing technical gaffe on the cover would be a real bummer.

The thing is that these go through proofs and must surely be reviewed and approved before you send it out for printing and binding. That is really really funny though.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

The thing is that these go through proofs and must surely be reviewed and approved before you send it out for printing and binding. That is really really funny though.

That's what's so insidious about it. I imagine they would never even have looked for an error like this. It is just not something you'd think of.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: cashman

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Yeah, I really like the LDAs. If I were buying one pistol today, it would probably be an LDA (though I would actually like to try a 14.45, since I have big hands).

Why? It holds 10+1 and my LDA holds 8+1 (with a Wilson mag). If the government would remove the 10 round restriction I would definitely check out the 14.45 though. I prefer the slim, 1911 grip personally.

If the AWB isnt renewed this year, the 10 round or lower magazine restriction goes out the window, at least on a federal level.

Its doubtful it will be. It was too costly in terms of elections when it did pass, and the democrats seem unwilling to make it an issue. I predict it will go away this october, like it should.

That means hi cap mag prices are going wayyyyyyyyyyy down. I'm gonna sell all of my hi caps now at the high prices!

Wouldn't be too quick to do that, there are plenty of politicians trying to keep it in effect. One attempt is to stick a rider on the bill protecting gun manufacturers from frivilous lawsuits, but the rider would make the AWB permanent.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: cashmanThat means hi cap mag prices are going wayyyyyyyyyyy down. I'm gonna sell all of my hi caps now at the high prices!

Wouldn't be too quick to do that, there are plenty of politicians trying to keep it in effect. One attempt is to stick a rider on the bill protecting gun manufacturers from frivilous lawsuits, but the rider would make the AWB permanent.

If that passes with the rider attached, I'll be very pissed off.