Thin client using ancient hardware

Winterpool

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Am posting here, as I'm not sure where it would better fit ('Operating Systems'? '*nix'?). Feel free to recommend another thread...

Went down to my parents' house this weekend and with my cousin tried firing up half a dozen old systems we have lying about the place. Somewhat to my surprise all of them managed to POST save the newest machine (an Athlon XP 2500+ 'Barton' whose Abit NF7-M motherboard might be fracked).

Anyhow, the least capable system (since we trashed our old 486) is a hoary Socket 7 machine with an AMD K6 III 400 MHz. The cpu, if I recall correctly, wasn't too shabby, indeed, one of the better x86 processors until Pentium III arrived. Anyhow, the problem is that the motherboard only takes... EDO RAM! There's 64 MB inside, and who knows if I'll ever come upon more in my lifetime.

I hate the thought of simply rubbishing the whole machine, and there's no way I could in good conscience 'donate' this to anyone. So I thought perhaps I could turn it into a thin client. If I could make a Remote Desktop connexion to my Hyper-V server, I could access a Windows Vista VM and thus turn my ancient K6 III virtually into a modern computer.

Windows 98 should run okay on 64 MB (and it's what the system currently runs), and there are versions of Microsoft's Remote Desktop Client that will run on 98. The problem is that to connect to my Hyper-V server, I must of course jack into my LAN and thus at least indirectly to the Internet. I'm not sure how confident I am in Windows 98's security in AD 2009...

I suppose I could lock down the client by installing a firewall that blocked every port save RDP. Would that be adequate? Somehow I suspect there would still be major vulnerabilities somewhere (this is Microsoft Windows after all, and years before XP Service Pack 2).

I'd probably feel more comfortable running some sort of minimal Linux. I'd need a distribution that was exceedingly lightweight yet able to produce a graphical desktop environment that would support an RDP-capable client. Perhaps something like Thinstation -- anyone ever use this distro? Other recommendations?

Of course I've left out the most important detail, which is the NIC inside the machine. I'm not at my parents' house any more, so I'll have to look it up later, but I think it was an old Intel network adapter. I hope there will be Linux driver support, but otherwise I may have to stick with Windows 98.
 

Winterpool

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Three days later... and not a single response, tant pis. Is there a more suitable AnandTech forum (or even another website) where I should post this question?
 

Davegod

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I don't know. What's your question?

You've kind of spewed out a lengthy conversation and I'd guess nobody knows where to start with it.
 

pukemon

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Try Damn Small Linux, Puppy Linux, or Thinstation. You could run all of those off a Compactflash to IDE adapter.
 

Winterpool

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Ah... I recall reading about this years ago. 'Windows Fundamentals' certainly seems the sort of thing I've been looking for: a stripped-down version of Windows that could run Remote Desktop Client on 'legacy PCs'. Being essentially Windows XP, there's still security support, and presumably one could instal most XP drivers (ie widest range of hardware). On the other hand... it's Windows XP, so you must keep on top of security updates. And it seems fairly bloated for a thin client platform. Minimum RAM: 64 MB. Hundreds of GB hard disk space (cf Thinstation's image of mere megabytes).

But the biggest problem of all: you can't get it, for love or money. Well, you could with a lot of money. Windows Fundamentals looks to be available only as part of a Software Assurance contract. Can't find it on TechNet.

 
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Let me put it this way. If you couldn't donate this to someone because it is so old, then why would you want to use it?
 

Winterpool

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I admit the whole thing's rather quixotic, and much of it's to do with my extreme sense of economy. I'm loath to throw out a piece of working kit. If the AMD K6 III system could get more memory (ie if it used SDRAM rather than EDO RAM), I'd beef it up to 256 MB, instal a lightweight Linux, and give the thing away. I'm sure someone could make use of a 400 MHz machine, if only for basic web browsing and email. But being limited to 64 MB makes it probably unusable as a desktop machine.

At my parents' house we used to have the primary computers (my Apple kit and my sister's Athlon) upstairs in our bedrooms for obvious reasons. Since we've moved out, the primary computers are now downstairs. When I visit my parents, I shouldn't mind having access to the Web from my bedroom, and I've a number of old CRT monitors lying about. So I thought it made eminent sense to connect the old K6 III to a 19-inch CRT and convert it into a thin client for accessing a proper Vista system downstairs (RDP latency seems mild enough for 'remote' web browsing). It seems the geeky thing to do.
 

WaitingForNehalem

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I too like keeping all my old pc's in their best shape but there'sno way I'll spend $50 for RAM on them as two of them require. That is more than they're worth and in the end, it doesn't make sense.
 

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
I too like keeping all my old pc's in their best shape but there'sno way I'll spend $50 for RAM on them as two of them require. That is more than they're worth and in the end, it doesn't make sense.

They're not worth $50. You're going to waste your time on them and use the electricity that they require. Just get rid of them.
 

Winterpool

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The electricity bill (old machines tend to be rather inefficient) is another reason I'd rather not saddle anyone with this manner of 'donation'. On the other hand, if it's going to be used for only a few hours per month at my parents' house, it doesn't seem quite as wasteful (at least in total KW-hours).

I have plenty of old SDRAM, and so do some of my friends, but... EDO RAM? No luck.

So what do most of you folks do with ancient kit (that's not museum-worthy)? Recycle and proper disposal, I hope (lots of awful heavy metals and PBBs in old computers)? I wish we had a more convenient disposal facility.
 
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Originally posted by: Winterpool
The electricity bill (old machines tend to be rather inefficient) is another reason I'd rather not saddle anyone with this manner of 'donation'. On the other hand, if it's going to be used for only a few hours per month at my parents' house, it doesn't seem quite as wasteful (at least in total KW-hours).

I have plenty of old SDRAM, and so do some of my friends, but... EDO RAM? No luck.

So what do most of you folks do with ancient kit (that's not museum-worthy)? Recycle and proper disposal, I hope (lots of awful heavy metals and PBBs in old computers)? I wish we had a more convenient disposal facility.

personally I take my old hardware to the range and shoot it. The best is putting a little colemans propane tank in a computer case, light some paper and shoot the tank in the case (from a safe distance). Watching a computer case explode (especially one that has given you a bunch of problems) is so rewarding.
 

Winterpool

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I hope your range isn't upwind of your home or the local water supply...

What sort of round do you find works best on computer kit? I suppose it doesn't much matter if it's going to be detonated by a gas explosion.
 
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