Things America does right (2nd update)

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johnjohn320

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Decent enough article. Although I have to take major exception with:

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What's right with America? How about the way we educate our children. Sure, I complain a lot about left-wing professors and how some wealthy private universities hoard their billions while charging obscene amounts for tuition, but the truth is that our universities are always ranked among the best in the world.

Students aren't fleeing America to go to college in Japan, India, or China -- it's the other way around. We open our colleges and universities to more than 80,000 foreign professors, scholars and educators a year and we have more students in college right now than those three countries combined.

What's right with America? Our world-class universities don't require you to have an elite family name or Rockefeller-type wealth to get in. We don't care about your race, gender or nationality. You just have to be smart enough and work hard for it. What a concept, huh?

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Ok, so first off he talks about our children's education, then spends three paragraphs writing only about higher education, which, save a few prodigies, is reserved for adults 18+. Second, he contradicts himself: "You don't need to be rich to go to college, all you need is to be smart enough and work for it." But two paragraphs prior he admits: "I complain...[about] private universities hoard[ing] their billions while charging obscene amounts of tuition." (it ain't just private universities, for the record). Also, he says we don't care about your last name? How naive! There are too many fine examples (indeed, one of them is currently the most powerful man in the country) of people walking into world class institutions based less on merit than heritage.

I will agree with his overall point, though, that our universities are generally very high in quality. But there's much room for improvement here.

EDIT-However, in keeping with the original intent of this thread:

I love the diversity of our country (racial, religious, etc).
I believe very strongly in the American dream.
I believe in our generosity towards one another.
I believe we are capable of being fine examples of leadership to the rest of the world.
I love our unabridged freedoms.
I love our history.
Oh, and our movies kick ass.
 

hellokeith

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Americans are the most generous, giving, benevolent group of people in the history of mankind.
 

Cdubneeddeal

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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
we spend enormous amounts of resources keeping the modern world going. The world fails to thank us for it.

Really, what would the word do without us? Aren't we pretty much the driving force of the world? The epicenter if you would.
 

mcmilljb

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Unions - Only the UAW could make their members believe that they could keep their jobs when faced with cheap overseas labor/cars and robots.
 

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We don't really do anything right, sadly, just about everyone else does it slightly less right than us.
 

Perknose

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Except for the Scandinavian countries, there is more real life equal opportunity for a woman in America than in just about any other culture.
 

Colt45

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
In my travel abroad summer semester I've noticed several things:

1). Free water-- Italians can't seem to comprehend that water from the tap should be free. They insist on charging 3 euros for it.
I don't recall being charged for water. maybe in venice or something super touristy.

2). Movies-- In the states, the 20 minutes before the movie are interesting 2 minute previews and entertaining commercials. Usually applicable to the genre of the movie you're about to watch. In Europe, there are 15 minutes of mind numbing, boring commercials, and about 7 minutes of previews to movies that are unrelated to the one you're seeing.
3). Movies-- People in the states don't talk much during the movies. Europe, they do.
I've never been to a theatre in europe, but sounds like ridiculous generalization.

4). Gas-- $9/gallon in GB. Insane taxes. Yet public transit still costs 3 pounds.
Govn't takes you from the cradle to the grave though. NHS. etc.

5). People more relaxed in Europe-- when you live in a country that has architecture from 2000 years ago that the whole world comes to visit, deciding to close shop on any given day of the week, because you don't feel like coming in, isn't a problem and doesn't affect your business. In the states, you have to attract customers by good service. Not so in many places in Europe, they just don't care, because 90% of their customers won't ever be coming back.
wow. Not sure where to start here.

6). GB-- 5 privatized railways under the umbrella of the government is the worst of both worlds (government and privatized). If you miss your train due to a fault of the railway, they won't coordinate with one of the other companies to get you to your destination before the night is over, even though the train goes straight there. Doesn't matter, because that is a different rail company. You can't complain to the rail company, because they are sanctioned by the government and aren't in danger of losing business to a competitor. But you can't complain to the government, because it's 5 different privatized companies. Result is massive loss of efficiency.
Not quite getting the point here. Are you saying rail travel is superior in the US?

7). Cheap, free, open internet? At Oxford, their IT group doesn't allow the use of any p2p programs except Skype. No ooVoo for chatting with friends back home. Also, free wireless is very rare. Most places charge about 7 euro/hour of internet.
One university doesn't allow p2p. surely all of earth except the US must have the same situation.

8). Food is cheaper-- hard to get a nice portion of food for any reasonable amount of money. Past about 15 euros at nice restaurants they just start decorating your food and drawing pictures and making it look nice; they don't give you more. No I'm not fat. I just miss being full for a reasonable amount of money. I used to think $8 for burgers and fries was a lot, here it's 10 euros or 10 pounds. Rough on the wallet.
You can get a plenty big burger in east europe for <$2. Does that make it superior to the US?
A big schnitzel and fries is usually 6 or 8 EUR in austria, at a nice sit-down restaurant...
I'm sure you can get fish and chips for under 5 pounds.

Sounds to me like you want to super touristy places, got charged as expected, and are trying to compare that with life as a local in the US ?


 

walkur

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Sigh... I still don't understand why Americans (not OP) speak about europe as if it was 1 country.


1). Italy is weird.. period
2). Movies-- Netherlands: max of 10 min. of comm. previews I believe
3). Movies-- Depends.. I've been to movies in the US, plenty of talking people there
4). Gas-- Yup, but the public transport I have here is a lot better than 95% of the US.
5). See #1
6). GB railways-- legendary suckage indeed.
7). Cheap, free, open internet? Unis have been one of the main sources of p2p shit in the NL
8). Food is cheaper-- I agree
 

Turkish

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Originally posted by: walkur
Sigh... I still don't understand why Americans (not OP) speak about europe as if it was 1 country.


1). Italy is weird.. period
2). Movies-- Netherlands: max of 10 min. of comm. previews I believe
3). Movies-- Depends.. I've been to movies in the US, plenty of talking people there
4). Gas-- Yup, but the public transport I have here is a lot better than 95% of the US.
5). See #1
6). GB railways-- legendary suckage indeed.
7). Cheap, free, open internet? Unis have been one of the main sources of p2p shit in the NL
8). Food is cheaper-- I agree

I am with this guy...

1. Seriously, you cannot compare Italy to the rest of Europe. I have many Spanish, Portugese, French, etc. friends but just cannot deal with Italians so I am not at all surprised to hear anything weird about Italy. They are usually self-centered, megalomaniac, crazy people. It was also hilarious when Italians were so proud of being overcharged for SanPel compared to rest of Europe
2. The same in Germany.
3. I lived in Turkey for 15 years, in US for 7 years, and in Europe for 2 years and the order of people talking in movies is like this: Turkey > US > Europe with Turks talking most and loudest I am sure Italians talk a lot more than, lets say Norwegians though. They just talk more than any other country on Earth.
4. Gas is expensive in Europe but public transport makes up for it. I can take the train, bus, or a charter flight to pretty much anywhere. And please don't complain about efficiency when it comes to transport because in Germany, Netherlands, Austria trains arrive and depart exactly on when they say they will. Not a minute less, not a minute more. On the other hand I cannot begin to count how many hours I spent at U.S. airports, Amtrak stations, etc... Grrr.
5. Yes, store hours are less flexible in Europe. In Germany most stores close at 5-6pm. And you'll be very lucky to find 24/7 convenience stores or large supermarkets like Kroger, Walmart open all day.
6. There are a lot of problems with GB's railways but if you want to talk about railways, you gotta give credit to the Germans. Deutsche Bahn is amazing.
7. I agree its a little harder to find free hotspots but that's because Internet is generally more expensive in Europe. Not sure about p2p services...
8. Not sure what you mean but excluding Turkish imports like doner kebabs ( ), I always found U.S. food cheaper.

 

alm99

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
In my travel abroad summer semester I've noticed several things:

1). Free water-- Italians can't seem to comprehend that water from the tap should be free. They insist on charging 3 euros for it.

Where do you live? I just received a water bill for $100 for 3 months use.
 

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#1 - We reward stupidity.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
In my travel abroad summer semester I've noticed several things:

1). Free water-- Italians can't seem to comprehend that water from the tap should be free. They insist on charging 3 euros for it.
2). Movies-- In the states, the 20 minutes before the movie are interesting 2 minute previews and entertaining commercials. Usually applicable to the genre of the movie you're about to watch. In Europe, there are 15 minutes of mind numbing, boring commercials, and about 7 minutes of previews to movies that are unrelated to the one you're seeing.
3). Movies-- People in the states don't talk much during the movies. Europe, they do.
4). Gas-- $9/gallon in GB. Insane taxes. Yet public transit still costs 3 pounds.
5). People more relaxed in Europe-- when you live in a country that has architecture from 2000 years ago that the whole world comes to visit, deciding to close shop on any given day of the week, because you don't feel like coming in, isn't a problem and doesn't affect your business. In the states, you have to attract customers by good service. Not so in many places in Europe, they just don't care, because 90% of their customers won't ever be coming back.
6). GB-- 5 privatized railways under the umbrella of the government is the worst of both worlds (government and privatized). If you miss your train due to a fault of the railway, they won't coordinate with one of the other companies to get you to your destination before the night is over, even though the train goes straight there. Doesn't matter, because that is a different rail company. You can't complain to the rail company, because they are sanctioned by the government and aren't in danger of losing business to a competitor. But you can't complain to the government, because it's 5 different privatized companies. Result is massive loss of efficiency.
7). Cheap, free, open internet? At Oxford, their IT group doesn't allow the use of any p2p programs except Skype. No ooVoo for chatting with friends back home. Also, free wireless is very rare. Most places charge about 7 euro/hour of internet.
8). Food is cheaper-- hard to get a nice portion of food for any reasonable amount of money. Past about 15 euros at nice restaurants they just start decorating your food and drawing pictures and making it look nice; they don't give you more. No I'm not fat. I just miss being full for a reasonable amount of money. I used to think $8 for burgers and fries was a lot, here it's 10 euros or 10 pounds. Rough on the wallet.

So these are just some thoughts I've had lately.

updates:

9). Can hardly use your credit card anywhere in europe
10). They are incredibly inconvenienced to have to split the check up between multiple people eating at the same table. Since service (tip) is automatically included in the bill, they have no reason to be flexible.

Roundabouts are nice, though.

I'd like to add my 2 cents, since I'm living in Switzerland (along the French border) right now and have been to a lot of European countries.

1) Most places I've been to have offered free water. Just ask for a caraffe; it's basically a glass pitcher of water. It is VERY popular in Europe to drink and carry around bottled water. Tap water may not be free in Italy, I've never been.

2) Haven't seen a movie here yet. I will be seeing the Dark Knight when it comes out here. I must see it

3) Again, haven't seen a movie yet in Europe, but I have been in theatres in America where people talk during movies. For the most part though, Americans stay quiet during a film

4) I agree with this one, it sucks. Gas is insane and public transportation is really expensive. On the flip side, the public transportation is much cleaner and runs all the time. During the day the bus runs every 5-10 minutes. In many American cities you're lucky if it runs hourly (except in big cities with a well-established bus system) and the busses/subways are filthy.

5) This really depends on where you go. In Geneva the service is so-so. In Meyrin (a smaller town) the service is excellent. Instead of going to shops that cater to tourists, go to shops that cater to locals. It's a very simple solution to your problem. You'll find that pretty much anywhere you go in the world, even America.

6) The rail systems are infinitely superior in Europe. They are fast, and for the most part they run on time (especially if you're dealing with a German rail company, then the trains always run on time because they are insane about this kind of thing). The Italian rail companies are a bit shitty, but have you ever befriended Italian natives? Nine times out of ten they are late to everything. It's just part of their lifestyle. I don't like it any better than you, but I wouldn't let it influence my image of the rest of Europe.

7) You do know that the Pirate Bay started in Sweden, right? European internet is more open than in America and is usually faster, but generally costs more (electricity also costs more). At UC Irvine they don't allow any p2p programs, just like Oxford; I can't even download anything with a .torrent extension, not even linux distros. Yeah, using a single remote example to determine the status of the whole isn't quite as glamorous now, is it?

8) Europe is definitely much more expensive for food. However, the food is often better if you know where to look. My two friends and I each had a pizza (for those not in the know, pizzas here are the size of a medium and are meant to feed one - they generally don't come in other sizes) and three beers at this Pizza joint down the road at around $20 a head (in Swiss Francs, so about 20 USD). I'm not talking cheap Heinekens, either. Cheese, beer, and wine are always less expensive in Europe. Vegetables that are in season are also less expensive. If you're willing to cook, eating in Europe costs just as much as eating in America; eating out is generally more expensive if you can't find one of those gem restaurants that are affordable.

9) I have been able to use my Visa everywhere, except the farmers' market on weekends. I'm living in a small village. Also, whenever I've needed money, Bank of America doesn't charge fees on some international ATMs, which is nice.

10) Tip is usually not included in the bill around here, but the waiters start out at minimum wage (unlike in America) so recommended tip is only around 10%. They still don't like to split up the bill, though. Whatever, have one person pay this time and someone else pay the next.



Things that are definitely done better in America
1) Movies (American movies are just the best)
2) Television (I can't wait for Heroes and The Office to start back up)
3) On average, eating out is cheaper (but not as good, and cooking is just as cheap)
4) Fruit/vegetable prices don't fluctuate as much ($5 for a thing of blackberries?!)
5) Mexican food (I grew up in Arizona)
6) Electronics are cheaper (but thanks to the Internet, this point is practically null)
7) Music (many Europeans love techno and disco, and the 80s - I've seen a disturbing number of mullets)
8) Gas is cheaper (but that is quickly disappearing - right now European prices are at about $7.60/gallon ie $2/liter, and last I checked prices were breaking $5/gallon in America)

Edit:
9) Higher Education (although everything below is absolute shit, and we only dominate higher education because the rest of the world's smart people come here because of the better higher education, thus a perpetual cycle)

10) Military spending (to a fault - you can have too much)

11) Girls (sorry Europe, you have some hot babes, but America has the best)
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: LeadMagnet


2: Food handling , and food safety in USA is better that most other places

made me think of No Reservations: Paris

start at 4:00 and watch for a minute or so.

What's wrong with any of that? I'm assuming you're talking about how they leave everything out at the restaurant. At home, I handle my food pretty much the same way. If you're not letting your meat come up to room temp before cooking, you're not doing it right. At that place, it stays out because it goes fast.

Every time I sit down at a nice restaurant and the butter comes out hard or nearly frozen, I want to scream.

Europeans did do this right; they make the just right amount. If you show up to a bakery or butcher right before they close, they'll be sold out of almost everything. Americans throw away a fair amount of food because it goes bad before being sold.

It is fine to leave your meat out if you're going to sell it all that day, as most restaurants in Europe do.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
we spend enormous amounts of resources keeping the modern world going. The world fails to thank us for it.

You're right, and it really confuses me. Why do we give so much money to the rest of the world? This question is especially important now, when America is in a slowing economy!
 
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