Things I don't want to see in Star Wars: Episode VII

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Pheran

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Stephen king is this way: shitty writer, shitty everything--besides his ideas. Put someone competent in charge of his ideas, good stuff happens.

While it's off topic for this thread, I'll have to completely disagree with that. Unless you are talking about some of the terrible movie adaptations of his work, which are hardly King's fault.
 

waggy

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Disney can pull it off. they are either going to take time with it and do it right. such as bring in great writers, people that know the history and story' etc.

or they will do shit that they do to every disney movie. bang out sequel after sequel that suck ass and should go (and most do) straight to DVD.

odds are the 2nd. they know we will buy the DVD's anyway
 

darkewaffle

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actually....not really.

They do, it just goes straight to DVD. Disney cranks out shit but they do have a good filter in place.

And personally I don't really care. The only fun thing about the Star Wars franchise to me is teasing my SW friends. One of them didn't take too kindly to me describing my favorite SW movie as the one with Bruce Willis and the girl who says "Multipass!".
 

AMDZen

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sooo...

who cares?

like i said, unless it's a sequel or prequel to an awesome movie, i don't care how bad this 'john carter' movie flopped (even though i don't really consider a 7/10 a flop... although, the story sounds super lame).

You're super lame. Go trade your best FF players to someone for lesser players
 

JimKiler

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best quote i've seen on this: "worrying that disney will ruin star wars is like worrying that a second iceberg will dive down to hit the titanic." :d

Perfectly said

As long as they throw out any ideas Lucas had, episodes 7-9 could be good.

Any chance Disney will tweak episodes 1-3 to make them better. If Lucas was allowed to tweak 4-6, Disney should be able to do the same. And by tweak I mean anything from cutting out half the story that does not make sense to a full reboot to a story that does make sense. I remember Episode 1 and not understanding what was actually happening but giving it a pass, stupidly assuming Ep 2 would explain anything that went over my head. Boy was a i wrong.
 

Jeffg010

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Here is how you make the new Star Wars move good. The very first scene is Jar Jar Binks flying in a space ship. Then evil space guy (Boba Fett) comes by and chases and blows his ship up. I guarantee the theater would cheer. Then cut to good guy leader taking about reports in sector 23 of bandits raiding ships they need to investigate and leads to a giant space battle.
 

AMDZen

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As long as they throw out any ideas Lucas had, episodes 7-9 could be good.

Any chance Disney will tweak episodes 1-3 to make them better. If Lucas was allowed to tweak 4-6, Disney should be able to do the same. And by tweak I mean anything from cutting out half the story that does not make sense to a full reboot to a story that does make sense. I remember Episode 1 and not understanding what was actually happening but giving it a pass, stupidly assuming Ep 2 would explain anything that went over my head. Boy was a i wrong.

What exactly happened in 1 that you didn't understand? As bad as it was, as ridiculous as Jar Jar Binks was, there certainly wasn't anything in the movie that was hard to understand
 

Feneant2

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Your opinion is shit!!

That movie was great for anyone who was a fan of the novels

I've never heard of the book and I loved the movie.


There was an article a few days ago where Lucas invite Hammill and Fisher to lunch something like 6 months ago and told them he had decided there would be a 7-9... you have to wonder if that foreshadows their involvement? The movie is actually in the exceedingly rare position that unlike other movies, they actually CAN do a story 30-40 years in the future while keeping the same cast. In my opinion, that would redeem the Star Wars franchise for the prequels.
 

AMDZen

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i'm a fan of the novels but i didn't really care for the movie.

What? Why? I thought they did an excellent job personally. I loved the books when I was a kid, I've ever re-read the first 4 or so a few years ago, they are such easy reading. I think it took me 5 days to read the first 4, just devoured them and they are short.
 

JimKiler

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What exactly happened in 1 that you didn't understand? As bad as it was, as ridiculous as Jar Jar Binks was, there certainly wasn't anything in the movie that was hard to understand

Oh really, explain why there was a trade blockade Naboo? Why they wanted her to sign a treaty to make it official and How this advanced the agenda of Darth Sidious? And then after attempting to force Natalie Portman to sign the treaty Darth Sidious says it is good they are not going to sign it? WTF? It makes no sense. Also if Natalie Portman did sign the treaty how would that have helped Darth Sidious?
 
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shortylickens

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I dont want any original actors, not even as cameos. Take fresh, unknown people and give them something genuinely interesting to do. No callbacks to previous movies (especially the bad ones). Make a good original story and follow the fucking rules, they exist for a reason.
 

shortylickens

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Oh really, explain why there was a trade blockade Naboo? Why they wanted her to sign a treaty to make it official and How this advanced the agenda of Darth Sidious? And then after attempting Natalie Portman to sign the treaty Darth Sidious says it is good they are not going to sign it? WTF? It makes no sense. Also if Natalie Portman did sign the treaty how would that have helped Darth Sidious?

Dude, you are rehashing Red Letter Media and you arent even funny.
 

sdifox

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What? Why? I thought they did an excellent job personally. I loved the books when I was a kid, I've ever re-read the first 4 or so a few years ago, they are such easy reading. I think it took me 5 days to read the first 4, just devoured them and they are short.

Because the movie sucked?

I didn't care for a single character in that movie.
 

destrekor

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I've never heard of the book and I loved the movie.


There was an article a few days ago where Lucas invite Hammill and Fisher to lunch something like 6 months ago and told them he had decided there would be a 7-9... you have to wonder if that foreshadows their involvement? The movie is actually in the exceedingly rare position that unlike other movies, they actually CAN do a story 30-40 years in the future while keeping the same cast. In my opinion, that would redeem the Star Wars franchise for the prequels.

Yep. Bring them back as the "elders" in the series, possibly include a few young punks to carry the torch. It wouldn't be a Star Wars without the generation gap though, of fathers/parents and the children.


As long as it's not directed and solely written by Lucas, there is a strong chance of something good coming out of all this. A New Hope actually wasn't too bad, given it was Lucas at the helm, but Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were superior and the best of the franchise, and it can't be a coincidence that they were the only two to not be directed by Lucas, nor did he receive top writing credits.

Lucas can be given stars, but can still find a way to let them act like high school drama students destined for the B-movie world. A New Hope had some hints of that but not nearly to the extent that the prequel trilogy showcased.
If someone else had written and directed the prequels, the same cast could have cranked out much better performances. They have shined in other films, so they can actually act. The dialogue was just terrible though, and hardly any A-list actor can perform award-winning work with sloppy dialogue in the script.

I'm not Star Wars rabid fan, but I enjoy good movies - and the franchise has plenty of opportunity to immerse you in a far-away world.

Oh, and it sounds like original concepts for the sequel trilogy followed a 30 or 40 year old Luke. I'm not so sure Mark Hamill could really pull that off now. But I think that was from the original stories back when IV, V, and VI were still fresh. Lucas may have altered those plans in the treatments he provided to Disney.


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This got me thinking: who would we prefer to have the director's chair in the new series? With his - imho - successful production of Star Trek, among other things, I think J.J. Abrams could be a good fit. He doesn't necessarily need to be involved in the writing process, though he could lend a hand there. I have a feeling this wouldn't be happening though, as Abrams might be fairly tied up with the Star Trek series. It would be interesting for him to have credits as director for both the current/new Star Trek series as well as the new Star Wars movies.
 
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Jeff7

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Oh, and it sounds like original concepts for the sequel trilogy followed a 30 or 40 year old Luke. I'm not so sure Mark Hamill could really pull that off now. But I think that was from the original stories back when IV, V, and VI were still fresh. Lucas may have altered those plans in the treatments he provided to Disney.
Give it another 10 years and we'll probably have the ability to make very realistic CGI versions of people, dead or alive. It'll just be a bunch of people wearing green Spandex and motion-tracker tags, and they'll all be given CGI skins later on.



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This got me thinking: who would we prefer to have the director's chair in the new series? With his - imho - successful production of Star Trek, among other things, I think J.J. Abrams could be a good fit. He doesn't necessarily need to be involved in the writing process, though he could lend a hand there. I have a feeling this wouldn't be happening though, as Abrams might be fairly tied up with the Star Trek series. It would be interesting for him to have credits as director for both the current/new Star Trek series as well as the new Star Wars movies.
Oh god, the glare from the light sabers will fill most of the scene. Everyone in the audience, epileptic or not, will be convulsing violently during any duel.
 

shortylickens

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And his points are valid. Episode 1 makes no sense, it made no sense long before Red Letter Media did that funny video.

So, its not OK to reference RLM, which is sorta old, and funny, but it is OK to make the same fucking arguments about a really old movie, which was not entertaining?
 

crashtestdummy

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Honestly, I'm not worried about that bad things that could happen, as the worst case scenario is that I'll just continue to hold the original trilogy as "the real thing" and ignore the rest.

In terms of what could be done to make it really good, though, I'd love to see either JJ Abrams or Joss Whedon direct it. They'd have very different styles, but I think either would be capable of handling a large-scale space opera trilogy.
 

destrekor

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Give it another 10 years and we'll probably have the ability to make very realistic CGI versions of people, dead or alive. It'll just be a bunch of people wearing green Spandex and motion-tracker tags, and they'll all be given CGI skins later on.




Oh god, the glare from the light sabers will fill most of the scene. Everyone in the audience, epileptic or not, will be convulsing violently during any duel.

LOL

To be fair, Michael Bay is worse with that.

It was an odd addition to the Star Trek visuals - it's not something Abrams really makes use of in his productions on a regular basis. Bay, on the other hand, is a repeat offender.

If it did happen, it could be advertised as the latest immersion technology for the theater industry.
"For the first time, to be featured in Star Wars Episode VII, you can experience the Sith/Jedi Force! In a new immersion experience, you will convulse as The Force blasts from the screen to your seats!"

:awe:
 
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JimKiler

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Dude, you are rehashing Red Letter Media and you arent even funny.

Does that not make their questions less relevant. Yeah i was rewatching their review last night, still funny stuff, but that is irrelevent as i still do not understand the plot, please explain it. Wikipedia glosses over the details and as I said i accepted the story when i saw Ep. 1 in theaters expecting it to make sense by the second movie.

Also why do you think my question is an attempt at humor, if I wanted to be funny i would have quoted red letter media and given a link.
 

robphelan

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there are hundreds and hundreds of SW novels that have nothing to do with the Vader/Skywalker/Solo story - I would love to see the movies draw from them and go in a different direction.

why bother incorporating them? a whole new franchise can spawn.
 
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