Things that should be taught in schools - mandatory!

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Jeff7

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If they taught teachers how to keep the student's attention we wouldn't have the issues we have today with students falling behind in test scores.

School is boring and most kids these days cannot stand it. Kids need to be motivated and involved more in school.
I think their main attempt with this is less-than-subtle brainwashing.
Back in high school, I had to go to the district's one elementary school for some physics demo or something, and on the walls here and there were teacher-made posters and such: "School is fun!"
Uh huh, just say it enough times and the kids will believe it.


How to learn.

/thread.

Seriously people aren't taught HOW to learn. They are taught thousands of interconnected facts and asked to regurgitate them on command. You have to learn on your own HOW to learn. When these kids reach university and come to the realization that they have to learn themselves some of them just say fuck it I can't do that.

I'm not just being cute. There are many techniques and underlying principals on HOW to learn things. Things like abstraction, pattern recognition, mnemonics, applying general rules to new sets of data not seen before. etc etc...
Dear god yes.

Some of my engineering professors loved testing for this on exams - to get a C, you had to show that you could regurgitate exactly what was taught. But if you wanted to get an A, you had to do a problem that was rather different than any examples done in class or on homework, to prove that you did in fact have genuine understanding of the principles being taught.


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Edit: I'd add an intro to physics class to the list. If taught properly can be very useful and thought provoking.
Yes, if taught well.
Some teachers just aren't terribly good at their explanations. I once went ahead and offered an explanation in class for something....I think it was something to do with orientation of an electromagnetic field coming from a coil of wire. The instructor's explanation just wasn't doing it for a number of students, and I had something better in mind.

The hazard of course with offering this is the old "Knowing just enough to be dangerous" problem.
At least at Penn State, the intro level courses are insanely simple.
There are the 100-level courses, for freshman, 200-level for sophomores, and so on. Then there are the 000-level courses, for gen-ed classes intended for all majors. For example, I had Econ 002 and Evolution of Jazz 007. They were basic and incredibly simple.
I literally did not study at all for the tests in Econ, and spent a total of 12 minutes prepping for the final. Got an A in the class.
Evolution of Jazz was a summer course, and there was a quiz every class, consisting of "Name these 5 tunes" and "Name these 5 musicians." I got a B in the class only because I ended up sleeping too long, and missed one of the quizzes. It was quite easy. I think 60% of the grade was just showing up and being conscious.

I've gotten brief glimpses of the Math and Physics 00X courses, which are to other majors as Evolution of Jazz is to engineering: Not especially relevant. And as a result, they are very watered-down.
It's the kind of class where Heisenberg will be mentioned briefly, and next thing you know, some idiot is writing "The Secret" and trying to use the word "quantum" as often as possible in a failed attempt to sound intelligent.
 
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frostedflakes

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Phonics. I noticed a lot in HS and even some in college when someone would be reading aloud, and they'd run into a new word and have absolutely no idea how to sound it out.
 

HannibalX

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They used to teach kids how to keep a checking account. They don't anymore which is why you have all these fools overdrawing their checking accounts.
 

Anubis

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Phonics. I noticed a lot in HS and even some in college when someone would be reading aloud, and they'd run into a new word and have absolutely no idea how to sound it out.

English isn't very phonic friendly with its fucking silent letters and random other bullshit
 

HannibalX

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Phonics. I noticed a lot in HS and even some in college when someone would be reading aloud, and they'd run into a new word and have absolutely no idea how to sound it out.

Phonics should be reserved for slow kids who can't otherwise learn normally. The preferred method to teach kids to read and write is the whole word reading method. Many school districts across the country have switched to teaching straight phonics and watched their reading levels and graduation rates plummet. This can't all be put on the switch to phonics but it has contributed.
 

Squisher

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Perhaps but Fleabag then followed it up with another post that claimed "Jupiter that had ...out of control global warming caused by green house gasses" so he is back to form. Spouting inaccurate or flat out incorrect information. Balance, harmony and order have been restored.

Edit: I'd add an intro to physics class to the list. If taught properly can be very useful and thought provoking.

Yes, that is sig worthy.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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perhaps but fleabag then followed it up with another post that claimed "jupiter that had ...out of control global warming caused by green house gasses" so he is back to form. Spouting inaccurate or flat out incorrect information. Balance, harmony and order have been restored.
wwybywb?
 

frostedflakes

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Phonics should be reserved for slow kids who can't otherwise learn normally. The preferred method to teach kids to read and write is the whole word reading method. Many school districts across the country have switched to teaching straight phonics and watched their reading levels and graduation rates plummet. This can't all be put on the switch to phonics but it has contributed.
But then you have people who can't even pronounce a new word when they run into it. And I'm not talking about weird words with silent letters and stuff like that, but ones that could be pronounced perfectly if you sound them out phonetically.

I don't know, it's just funny to me to see someone in college who can't even do this. To me it seems like such a basic skill, but I guess I take for granted that some people aren't taught to read in this way.
 

Jeff7

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English isn't very phonic friendly with its fucking silent letters and random other bullshit
I'm sure there are worse languages, and yes, definitely some which are more logical.
And English doesn't do well with the Information Age.

Google for "bank."
Ok, are you looking for a place to keep money, sloping terrain by a river, or an action a plane can perform? Geez, they even consist of two nouns and a verb.

"Calculus" - it's either a field of mathematics or a deposit on your teeth.

"Ass" - the buttockular region, or a relative of a horse.


But I doubt we're to the point (yet) of assembling a new language designed for searchability. Then you have instances of silly made-up words like "buttockular."
Hell, people even get in a sentimental and chest-pounding mood over language.
 

Modelworks

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The only thing that should be taught in school are subjects like math, reading, science. The rest of the stuff like cooking, how to change a tire, sex, personal responsibility , etc are things PARENTS should be teaching their kids. Too many parents are leaving it to the schools to raise their kids.

I was fortunate to have a mother that required all of us kids wash clothes, cook, clean, and my dad made me help him with the car and showed me how to use a gun and to respect what it could do at the age of 6 , I remember that talk like it was yesterday. He also took me to the river on weekends to teach me how to swim and dive. It wasn't some PE teacher showing me how.

Schools need to get back to the basics and stop trying to be parental substitutes.
 

xanis

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personal finance
common sense (if you can even teach that)
grammar (taught in schools, but people still seem to fail at it anyhow)
 

nageov3t

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The only thing that should be taught in school are subjects like math, reading, science. The rest of the stuff like cooking, how to change a tire, sex, personal responsibility , etc are things PARENTS should be teaching their kids. Too many parents are leaving it to the schools to raise their kids.

I was fortunate to have a mother that required all of us kids wash clothes, cook, clean, and my dad made me help him with the car and showed me how to use a gun and to respect what it could do at the age of 6 , I remember that talk like it was yesterday. He also took me to the river on weekends to teach me how to swim and dive. It wasn't some PE teacher showing me how.

Schools need to get back to the basics and stop trying to be parental substitutes.
idk, I hate the argument that kids should be punished because their parents have checked out.
 

destrekor

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Its taught as a theory which may or may not be right. Then there is a small bit about intelligent design.

not in my schools.

most large scale science concepts are prefaced with "theory" because, well, it's really complicated.
 

shortylickens

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idk, I hate the argument that kids should be punished because their parents have checked out.

Its got nothing to do with punishment. Its trying to get back to the basic concept that parents should be parenting the kids, and not the schools. Too many people want the schools to do their child-rearing for them and not only does it not work, it causes the kids to suffer.
The schools are not punishing the kids because of their attitude about education, the parents are neglecting the kids because of their attitude about accountability.
 

Modelworks

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idk, I hate the argument that kids should be punished because their parents have checked out.

You have to start at the problem not the symptoms. The way we allow anyone to have as many kids as they want as long as they don't physically abuse them is crazy. You have to pass a test to drive a car but bringing a life into the world and raising it to be a decent adult is somehow genetic knowledge or something we can make up . We have laws on how many hours a week someone can work, but no such laws on how many hours per week someone has to be with their kids to be a parent. When kids are taught values in the home they are very likely to want to learn and do better.
 

destrekor

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I'm sure there are worse languages, and yes, definitely some which are more logical.
And English doesn't do well with the Information Age.

Google for "bank."
Ok, are you looking for a place to keep money, sloping terrain by a river, or an action a plane can perform? Geez, they even consist of two nouns and a verb.

"Calculus" - it's either a field of mathematics or a deposit on your teeth.

"Ass" - the buttockular region, or a relative of a horse.


But I doubt we're to the point (yet) of assembling a new language designed for searchability. Then you have instances of silly made-up words like "buttockular."
Hell, people even get in a sentimental and chest-pounding mood over language.

English Is the Language of the Gods! It is infallible, and we must teach it to everyone!!!!!!

:chestpounds: aarrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaa
 

CKent

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Childrearing.

In NY state you need to be 16 and pass a written test to get a driving learner's permit, which you have to keep for 6 months before passing a field test to get your license, after which you're subject to a probationary period.

And that's just to drive a car.

It's absurd that people can have a child at any age with absolutely no compulsory instruction in how to go about raising it. We read the news headlines, scratch our head and wonder what's wrong with society. It's this.
 

ShawnD1

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AFAIK, high schools generally require 3 years of math... you're suggesting 6?
2 per semester for 3 years = 6 math classes. Ideally, I think math should be blended with almost every class in order to make the math and the other subject material easier to understand. I remember having problems with grade 11 physics because the equations being used were based on calculus, so the only way to do it was to just remember it. How the hell does one know that distance is (1/2)*acceleration* time^2? How would anyone guess that? If you were lucky enough to take calculus before taking grade 11 physics, you would know exactly where that comes from, and it would be much easier to remember. Calculus also made geometry a lot easier. If you can remember the area of a sphere is 4*pi*r^2, you can figure out the volume is (4/3)*pi*r^3 because the volume is found by integrating the surface area with respect to the radius. Instead of needing to remember 2 equations, you only need the 1. The same thing applies to circumference vs area of a circle. The pi*r^2 area formula is found by integrating the 2*pi*r circumference. Again, that's half as many formulas to remember. If you're just memorizing them, it's easy to accidentally confuse the two formulas. If you understand it from a calculus perspective, using r^2 for a circumference makes absolutely no sense because circumference is a 1-dimensional value.



Also, a lot of you guys are suggesting they teach things that they currently do teach.
Evolution is real - Only hillbilly states do not teach this.
Make change (money) - Grades 1-6 very heavily rely on money problems
How to RTFM - Science and computer classes always have written instructions that you are expected to follow
Carbon cycle - Yes they still teach this
Personal finance - Exponential math questions are almost always money questions related to loans and interest rates. Adding and subtracting was in elementary school.
Cross-multiplication - It is almost impossible to graduate without knowing how to do this. (what is cross multiplication)
nutrition - They mostly teach this in elementary for some reason
cooking basics - They do teach this, but it's usually optional
basic physics - They teach this. It's optional for a diploma but required for university.
English (technical) - Grades 7-9 were very technical when I went to school. After that, grades 10-12 focused on reading comprehension and literature criticism.
Phonics - Many school teach this. Not all, but many.
Woodworking - This is optional in many schools. I used a wood lathe in grade 10 to make a candy dish!


My opinion on the grammar problem is that people need to be told to write exactly as they would speak. If you read the words aloud and it sounds retarded, it's probably wrong.
 

Greenman

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They also teach that releasing captured CO2 that was NOT part of the O2->CO2->O2 cycle will fuck up the eco system... You global warming deniers just don't get it, no body is pissing and moaning about burning trees except for the pollution they make, what we're pissing and moaning about is that we're putting Co2 that was NOT part of the eco system as it was sequestered in the medium you call "oil, coal, methane, etc." and are adding it back. If CO2 isn't going to cause global warming, then how the fuck can you explain a planet like Venus or Jupiter that had just that, out of control global warming caused by green house gasses? It is only logical that when you add something into an ecosystem that wasn't part of it, you're going to change things. CO2 is most certainly a green house gas, no doubt about that!

Just imagine if we could bring back dinosaurs, THEN tell me with a straight face that doing that wouldn't fuck up some major shit.

I flat out don't believe that you were taught that Venus and Jupiter are hot because of C02. The guy that mows my lawn knows more physics than that.
 
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