Things that you DON'T miss from "the good ol' days".

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yottabit

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All the different ram types in general before pc66/100 DIMM SDRAM took off. Remember all the issues from having memory that was too high in density? ARGGHHH. Back then you REALLY had to check what kind of ram your mobo needed.

You mean my new 32 MB module only shows up as a 16 MB (if it even works at all???)

Those old Pentium mobos that had cache in a slot next to the CPU

Your PATA bus speed being limited by the slowest drive on it

Early CD and DVD Burners. I need to wait HOW long to burn this $15 disc?

On that note, those cables that ran from your CD Player to your sound card.

When you had a shared ISA and PCI slot, but what you really needed was to use BOTH the ISA and PCI slot.

I don't miss Slot CPUs.

Having to get matched pairs of CPUs and also the VRM modules to go with them on multi cpu systems.

Buying videocards and the whole developing OpenGL / Direct X thing. I never seemed to know if the card I bought was going to have support for what I wanted.

There's a lot of little hardware things I take for granted now. Thumbless screws, those squeeze racks for disc drives, good case ventilation. Widespread availability of heatsinks and thermal compounds. Motherboards with good overclocking features.

OH YEAH, MIDI. Thank god for real music. Although, I have to admit, a part of me does miss MIDI.
 
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WildW

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Good riddance to Zip-Disks and Jaz-Disks. Very nearly goodbye to removable media - digital distribution will be the future I think, in time. Scratching my head on how I'd install an OS without a DVD drive though.

I have to disagree on dot-matrix printers though, I have a love affair with such things. We used to have an A3 sized line-printer here at work that I could use to print my code listings onto a mile of fan-fold paper. Sadly missed. In my rose-tinted memory it's connected with a huge ribbon cable containing wires of every colour of the rainbow.
 

Ancalagon44

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Networking with a BNC daisy chain because we (as high school students) were too poor to afford a router.

"hey guys the network isnt working, who's down? Oh wait, we forgot the terminator on the end."

Or even worse, trying to play games via serial link. I have fond memories of Blood 2 and StarCraft. But Quake 2 never supported it for some reason. Made me so angry.

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Installing games from floppy disks, and one of them goes bad. Oh great.

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Viruses on floppy disks and poor antivirus support in DOS. And no real time virus protection. And Windows eating up 8mb of ram when you only had 16 in the first place.

Fiddling with EMS, XMS and other memory types to get a particular game to load because of that damn 640k limit.
 

yottabit

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Networking with a BNC daisy chain because we (as high school students) were too poor to afford a router.

"hey guys the network isnt working, who's down? Oh wait, we forgot the terminator on the end."

Or even worse, trying to play games via serial link. I have fond memories of Blood 2 and StarCraft. But Quake 2 never supported it for some reason. Made me so angry.

Haha you just reminded me of playing Warcraft 2 (non Battle.net edition with my friend) manually connecting to each others computers over 28.8... Put in his phone number and all the other information, call each other "OK YOU READY?"... he sets his computer up to receive the call and my computer dials him... we start playing. Then you have no idea how many times half way through he drops out and I get a call ten seconds later "MY MOM PICKED UP THE PHONE WHILE I WAS PLAYING!" hahah. Those were the good old days. I don't think that game even had in-game chat so we would have to talk about the game afterwards.
 

wwswimming

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My list:
IRQs, addresses, and resource conflicts. Even in the PNP days this was a pain in the rear.

Master/slave jumpers on HDs. A minor thing that won't be missed at all.

SCSI for reliable burning and ripping. Yes, I blew hundreds of bucks on SCSI cards and drives, dealt with termination and addresses. All that sort of thing. I ended up giving it all away because my $30 SATA drive basically kicked it's ass in every conceivable way. SCSI still has it's place, but home PCs isn't it anymore.

i agree about IRQ's but i didn't mind master/slave jumpers - they were a source of $$ for computer techs.

also ... i still like SCSI. i know it's mostly worthless, that became obvious when a PATA-PATA transfer in 2003 or 2004 went much faster than a disk transfer on a Xeon system with a U160 boot drive (transferring to 100 GB PATA).

but i still like the sounds they make. i think they have musical potential. there's got to be some musical groups using SCSI drives to make noise.
 

pitz

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AT cases. Expensive cases that came with their own power supplies (which, if they weren't junk initially, proved to be junk in a couple years time!). "Turbo" buttons that had LED displays that had to be programmed with jumpers.

Connor/Maxtor/Micropolis hard drives (hurry up WD, die already!). Anything made by Plextor (buggy and overhyped!) or Iomega (Zip = junk!). Parallel port-anything (especially scanners!)!

On the DOS side...memory managers (like QEMM, himem.sys, etc., that allowed you to access the "full" 16mb!).
 

Alienwho

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Good riddance to Zip-Disks and Jaz-Disks. Very nearly goodbye to removable media - digital distribution will be the future I think, in time. Scratching my head on how I'd install an OS without a DVD drive though.
Pop the windows 7 dvd into the drive and plug in a 4GB+ thumb drive. Drag and drop the content from the win7 cd onto the the thumb drive. Insert thumb drive onto any computer and boot from USB.

I've installed windows 7 on a half dozen computers like this with no problem. Installation is much quicker than using a DVD drive as well.
 

acheron

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My first two thoughts on seeing the thread:

1) IRQ conflicts
2) extended memory management
 

MrMatt

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AT cases. Expensive cases that came with their own power supplies (which, if they weren't junk initially, proved to be junk in a couple years time!). "Turbo" buttons that had LED displays that had to be programmed with jumpers.

Connor/Maxtor/Micropolis hard drives (hurry up WD, die already!). Anything made by Plextor (buggy and overhyped!) or Iomega (Zip = junk!). Parallel port-anything (especially scanners!)!

On the DOS side...memory managers (like QEMM, himem.sys, etc., that allowed you to access the "full" 16mb!).

My first cd burner was a Plextor. Still works on the computer it's in to this day (12 years later)
 

Arglebargle

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OH YEAH, MIDI. Thank god for real music. Although, I have to admit, a part of me does miss MIDI.



Aargh, MIDI is innovation personified! And it would have been even better had the committee approving it actually understood what it could've done. It's incredibly light on the systems, and is still the standard after 25+ years.

The main problem in terms of the computer experiance was that it got coupled with those Yamaha 4op sound cards. The demise of those are worth celebrating over.
 

Damn Dirty Ape

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upper memory management, irqs, etc

I was working on a system and I got to thinking about how working on computers have changed. And realized that there are a lot of things that the average user has no clue about that we don't have to deal with these days. And that being a really good thing.

My list:
IRQs, addresses, and resource conflicts. Even in the PNP days this was a pain in the rear.

Master/slave jumpers on HDs. A minor thing that won't be missed at all.

Five pages of jumper settings. Motherboards automatically know what multiplier to apply, and what voltage. If you want to override it, you have a whole list of voltages in itty bitty increments and can change the voltage on damned near everything. Today "the jumper" just clears CMOS. And that's pretty much it.

Dialup modems. Okay, this one's not dead, but out of mainstream. Getting the modem/com port/DNS settings all setup and working was the hardest part of getting on the internet. Plugging in a USB or ethernet cable is so much easier. Just clicking on a thing and telling it to connect to the wireless even forgoes that step.

While talking about networking, NICs. Pretty much all MBs have them on board and they're good eliminating the need for them in almost all cases.

Piss-poor onboard audio. Yes, dedicated sound cards are still blowing onboard audio out of the water. But these days onboard audio is actually decent and in many cases pretty good.

SCSI for reliable burning and ripping. Yes, I blew hundreds of bucks on SCSI cards and drives, dealt with termination and addresses. All that sort of thing. I ended up giving it all away because my $30 SATA drive basically kicked it's ass in every conceivable way. SCSI still has it's place, but home PCs isn't it anymore.

What are your things that you won't shed a tear for?
 

Kntx

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Haha you just reminded me of playing Warcraft 2 (non Battle.net edition with my friend) manually connecting to each others computers over 28.8... Put in his phone number and all the other information, call each other "OK YOU READY?"... he sets his computer up to receive the call and my computer dials him... we start playing. Then you have no idea how many times half way through he drops out and I get a call ten seconds later "MY MOM PICKED UP THE PHONE WHILE I WAS PLAYING!" hahah. Those were the good old days. I don't think that game even had in-game chat so we would have to talk about the game afterwards.


That or the call waiting beep would ruin it. Of course only before I learned about the disable call waiting code.
 

numark

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What I really don't miss is when everyone and their grandmother started discovering (and using) Frontpage almost simultaneously. More specifically, when it was the "in" thing to start using the marquee tag. Almost every page that you went to had at least 2 or 3 of those infernal scrolling text bars...

My first "real" job was doing technical seminars for students and faculty at my college. One of the programs I was assigned was Frontpage, and I swear that half of the class must have been taken up by me going through the toolbar and saying "don't click this, don't click this, don't click this" because almost all of the features were annoying (and some were proprietary to certain web server software and browsers).
 

jobz

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I disagree about zip drives. If I remembered correctly, it was the only affordable external storage at the time, before popularity of writeable cds. It saved my bacon several times when my hds died.
 

Raduque

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autoexec.bat and config.sys. I don't miss those files.

Command lines (they have their place, but i HATED when I had to use them separate from the GUI)

Windows 95/98se/me and Windows XP.

PATA cables.

Honestly, I was never bothered by jumpers and such, I always liked that part of setting up the hardware. One thing that has always bothered me and still does, is that there's no standard connector for case front-panel connections. USB has an industry-standard connector, so why not the front panel connection? Every motherboard has it in a different layout, but thankfully most (if not all) cases have individual connectors.
 

Alienwho

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One thing that has always bothered me and still does, is that there's no standard connector for case front-panel connections. USB has an industry-standard connector, so why not the front panel connection? Every motherboard has it in a different layout, but thankfully most (if not all) cases have individual connectors.
I absolutely agree with this. I build my bro in law a computer a few weeks back but he wanted to reuse his old HP case. I had it all built then realized that the case actually had a "standard connector" that couldn't be broken up to correctly place in the motherboard. I just kind of plugged it in as best I could which ended up only being able to plug in 4 pins. I lucked out that those 4 pins that happened to able to plug in were the power and reset button.
 

Anubis

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Honestly, I was never bothered by jumpers and such, I always liked that part of setting up the hardware. One thing that has always bothered me and still does, is that there's no standard connector for case front-panel connections. USB has an industry-standard connector, so why not the front panel connection? Every motherboard has it in a different layout, but thankfully most (if not all) cases have individual connectors.

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i haven't bothered even connecting them on any project ive done for myself in the past 8 years
 

Demon-Xanth

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autoexec.bat and config.sys. I don't miss those files.

Command lines (they have their place, but i HATED when I had to use them separate from the GUI)

Windows 95/98se/me and Windows XP.

PATA cables.

Honestly, I was never bothered by jumpers and such, I always liked that part of setting up the hardware. One thing that has always bothered me and still does, is that there's no standard connector for case front-panel connections. USB has an industry-standard connector, so why not the front panel connection? Every motherboard has it in a different layout, but thankfully most (if not all) cases have individual connectors.

They're actually getting a lot better. Most seem to use the same pinout these days.
 

Fox5

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DOS.
Windows 9x.
Having to install different video card drivers for different games.

How horrible browsing the net used to be. Go to the wrong site (or a site has the wrong ads), lock up your computer and maybe get a virus or a million pop ups. Sometimes even just being hooked up to the net was enough to get you a virus. I don't think people remember the horrible state of the Internet that caused people to switch enmasse to firefox, it really was much much better then, even though firefox 1.0 would be crap compared to any of the modern browsers.
 
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