Thinking about a Master's. EE or MicroEP or something else.

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IndyColtsFan

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@Indy

You may as well be typing in hieroglyphics. All that means NOTHING to me, lol. FWIW I was born in 87... so as you can imagine when I graduated the DSP class I was in had a little bit better technology to work with. The class I took was a LOT of Matlab, VHDL and using the Altera board. Everything was on the computer. Lots of Laplace and Z transforms, etc.

Yeah, we had Matlab back then too but I never really used it as a hardware designer.

Our research dealt mainly with HRTFs (head-related transfer functions). Back then, it was new and cutting edge but nowadays it is implemented in multiple places. I wouldn't be surprised if new EE DSP majors have never even heard of the concept.
 

ControlD

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When I worked on mine in the mid 90s, there were 3 core courses and the rest were electives on a specific track. 30 or 33 hours total, IIRC. I completed all the course work but did not complete my thesis -- I should've just switched to the non-thesis option and done a project instead, but life got in the way.

That sounds like a carbon copy of my experience in a MSEE program.

In regards to the FE/PE I think it depends what sub-field you are working in whether it matters or not. I have been working 20+ years as a practicing EE and I have never once been asked if I had a PE, nor have I once run into a situation where it was required.
 
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CraKaJaX

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That sounds like a carbon copy of my experience in a MSEE program.

In regards to the FE/PE I think it depends what sub-field you are working in whether it matters or not. I have been working 20+ years as a practicing EE and I have never once been asked if I had a PE, nor have I once run into a situation where it was required.

I just recently took a new job in the beginning of Sept. I had 5 interviews throughout the summer and they all asked me if I had my FE (I don't have enough experience for the PE yet, but am signed up for it in April). I do believe it varies by field, but I also believe that no matter what field you're in it will benefit you. Being in the utility business, we stamp drawings daily for all sorts of things. In my dept there's more people with their PE than without.
 

ControlD

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I just recently took a new job in the beginning of Sept. I had 5 interviews throughout the summer and they all asked me if I had my FE (I don't have enough experience for the PE yet, but am signed up for it in April). I do believe it varies by field, but I also believe that no matter what field you're in it will benefit you. Being in the utility business, we stamp drawings daily for all sorts of things. In my dept there's more people with their PE than without.

I did get asked about my FE, that's true.

I always meant to take the PE, but I'm sure my brain is no longer up to the task.
 

CountZero

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If you don't mind me asking - what was your concentration of study?

For the BSEE it was "digital systems" but essentially it was embedded systems, which is what I had been doing at the startup I was at the last two years of school.

For the MSEE it was VLSI. Took every VLSI class they offered. Also decided to challenge myself with the more hardcore analog classes, PLLs, semiconductor optics and worked with the CS dept's computer architecture lab on top of the VLSI lab RA work I picked up.

After working full time at crappy jobs being a full time student was awesome. The kids that went straight from BS to MS were so whiny about workload but those of us that had worked before just soaked it up.
 

Belegost

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Nothing special as far as getting paid.. like $1300 a month plus your tuition. Problem is, until the deficiencies are made up, it's all out of pocket.

As far as a degree and no prospects, that's kinda where I thought I was right now.

Here's a post where I list some of what I've tried for - http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36767804&postcount=95

I search indeed every day, maybe I just don't know what to search for.

I'm about to apply to the "Electronics Test Technician" here and that's about my last hope- http://www.apei.net/about/career/

Edit instead of bumping: I've basically been doing nothing relevant to anything for the last 5+ years, which certainly isn't helping the job search. I thought school would be a good way to refresh my resume.

So first, as some others have recommended, the MSEE is a good idea. One of the big reasons I say that is breadth of opportunity. The EE degree has like 5000 specializations (ok ok, maybe 7-8) and you will find EEs working in practically anything, power utilities, wireless networks, toy manufacturing, hell one of my friends from grad school ended up as an analyst at Goldmann Sachs (econometric models are fundamentally identical to engineering ones, but engineers are generally much better programmers =)

The secret is that while in school you pick a specialty to study for which makes you knowledgeable in some smaller field, HR departments don't particularly care what specialization (I've never included it on my resume), they just have a checkbox for relevant degrees and MS EE fills that box for a huge number of positions. And getting past that first HR hurdle is often more than half the battle. This is why I specialized in machine intelligence and data mining, but now design LTE modems.

As for the prereqs - talk to the school, it may be possible to take those through an extensions program, where you pay a lot less. Even if not, having a BS Physics you may be to wrangle a position as a TA in the Physics Dept. while you make up the work for the engineering. Also, even if officially you don't qualify for an RA position in the engineering dept. it's worth talking with Professors, to them some silly course prereq is not nearly as important as having useful knowledge and ability in physics, they may be able to make an end-run around the requirements.

Also, you're completely right on the networking. Every position I have held has come through the grapevine. Got to know a prof. as an undergrad, he put me onto a consulting research opportunity with a company, my contacts there got me a position with a neuroscience group, which got me paid through grad school. My PhD advisor was neighbors with a director at a major tech firm and needed an intern, which led to meeting my future boss who pointed me to an application for comm. engineer position (but he wanted a guy who knew non-linear adaptive filtering which is what machine intelligence is all about.)

So even if you have to take some student loans to get through the make-up courses, if you're putting yourself in a position to get to know professors and other grad students, building contacts and generally getting yourself in the loop - that's worth it.

But you have to be doing that, you have to go to professor office hours and have a few minutes talk about the industry, you have to find out about meetings and groups going on that discuss topics relevant to your desired job fields (for instance I was part of a group that met weekly to review papers in computational statistics, met a lot of great contacts, and by giving presentations to the group was able to not only improve my skills in public speaking, but also get my abilities seen) Especially since a lot of times interested people from industry come to those meetings to keep up to date on research, and also keep an eye out for intern material.
 

arkcom

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So you've had the BS in physics for 5 years, with no job in that time?? Or am I interpreting that wrong?

If you did happen to like hardware stuff, I always see tons of positions open at TI and Qualcomm for DSP & digital/analog circuit guys.


I've been selling electric bike and rc airplane stuff online.

I have designed/built/programmed lots of projects in that time, though:
Home theater projector
2 meter UAV
Heavy lift quadcopter, before they were really common
a recumbent tricycle
cnc router table
spindle + pid controller for the cnc
rfid keyless entry for my house

The first question I have is, have you updated your resume & have a cover letter to tweak for each position applied for?

I do change my resume up at least for places with real/clear requirements. On absolutely entry level GED only stuff I just give them the same one.
 

z1ggy

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I've been selling electric bike and rc airplane stuff online.

I have designed/built/programmed lots of projects in that time, though:
Home theater projector
2 meter UAV
Heavy lift quadcopter, before they were really common
a recumbent tricycle
cnc router table
spindle + pid controller for the cnc
rfid keyless entry for my house



I do change my resume up at least for places with real/clear requirements. On absolutely entry level GED only stuff I just give them the same one.

Well, I have given interviews here before to prospective employees. Seeing a gap longer than 6 months has always been a red flag to me, even if you're some genius who spent the 6+ months in your basement building a nuclear reactor (sarcastic).

Don't get me wrong; It looks cool that you have done all those things listed above. But, unless that was directly applicable to the job posting, that employer won't care. Plus, unless you sit alone programming all day, people skills matter. I would not hire an extremely smart person who came off as a jerk or was so introverted he could barely speak during an interview.

Anyway, my point is that I think you should really consider the MSEE. You may even do well with a concentration in controls if you already know how to build a PID controller.
 

arkcom

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I don't list that stuff on my resume, just putting it out there for you guys.

Anyway, thanks for the advice. :thumbsup:
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Highly recommend doing an MSEE.
Then again, I'm biased for higher-education since I do have a PhDEE
 

schmuckley

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Find what you can do..that you're good at..
to make money.

If you like it..and can make a living at it,it's for you.
PS: I didn't say make a killing.
 
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