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Lifer
Apr 23, 2000
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Im about halfway through chapter 1 in the first game, it took some getting use to but im having some fun with it for sure.

The combat is kinda neat once I got the hang of it, and the character leveling looks like its pretty involved which I like.

So far id give the first game a favorable rating

Once I beat it im gonna move on to the 2nd game just because I dont like playing two games in the same series at the same time, so ive def decided to get it.

Witcher 1 starts a bit slow but once you get to chap 2 in town I thought it really takes off from there,combat is not that bad ,took me like hour at most to learn all the attacks,sword choices etc... before it felt natural.

I have finished Witcher 1 like 3 or 4 times now and Witcher 2 twice through.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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TW1 was amazing. Such a great world they created, and a great story too. Kinda sucky combat though.

TW2 is also great, but I can barely run it. The graphics engine seems incredibly inefficient, because I have it set all on low and it looks like TW1 and plays MUCH worse. If you have a good PC though, definitely get it; I'm upgrading my desktop partly just to play it properly.
 

homercles337

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Dec 29, 2004
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You can turn off the QTE's.

Uh, no, you cant.

Once you learn how to play Witcher 2 properly, even playing on hard difficulty is easy.

Once i learn to play "properly"? I suppose the same could be said for Dragon's Lair, which is the same combat system for boss battles in this game. Oh, by "learn" you mean play the battle scene a million times until i "learn" the split second timing of key strokes? Wait...wait...NOW! I loved Dragon's Lair as a kid because i did not know any better, that was a long time ago.
 

Dankk

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This game has a horrid combat system. I stopped playing after many, many attempts to kill the first boss (Kayran). Its riddled with bad visual angles, QTEs, and directed/timed actions that ruin the entire first boss experience.

It's probably a good thing you stopped then. From that boss fight on, the game only gets harder. Seriously, the Kayran battle is actually the EASIEST boss battle in the entire game, assuming you know what to do (and it's not hard to figure out, considering the woman, what's-her-name, is YELLING at you to use the YRDEN, then there's a quicktime event, then it's over.) It takes like two minutes tops. Seriously, it's not that hard.
 

homercles337

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It's probably a good thing you stopped then. From that boss fight on, the game only gets harder. Seriously, the Kayran battle is actually the EASIEST boss battle in the entire game, assuming you know what to do (and it's not hard to figure out, considering the woman, what's-her-name, is YELLING at you to use the YRDEN, then there's a quicktime event, then it's over.) It takes like two minutes tops. Seriously, it's not that hard.

Google for Kayran battle. There are thousands of complaints, tutorials, walkthroughs for that bullshit battle. Your condescension is insulting. Youre no help, but im happy to learn that something i consider difficult is so amazingly simple for you. Congrats on your superior skills and knowledge in life.
 

Mem

Lifer
Apr 23, 2000
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Google for Kayran battle. There are thousands of complaints, tutorials, walkthroughs for that bullshit battle. Your condescension is insulting. Youre no help, but im happy to learn that something i consider difficult is so amazingly simple for you. Congrats on your superior skills and knowledge in life.

I did notice with latest 1.3 patch you get arrow markers that show you where to trap it etc.....its not that hard ,just make sure you drink potions before the battle etc also get the Kayran trap beforehand as well helps and that poison resistance potion you do via quest.

I don't consider myself a great games player at almost 50 years old and if I can do it anybody can.
 

you2

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Apr 2, 2002
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The kayran is a bit of a pain; I lowered the difficulty and took 3 or 4 tries to get past it; also I apparently missed one of the options before the fight to reduce the difficulties. However, it wasn't the end of the world. The combat in witcher2 is not that strategic (kind of boring?) but the story presentation is good. To be honest it's been a while since I played an rpg with good combat. I think ME1/ME2 were ok; BG2 was good; DA bad; Witcher 1 bad+ and witcher 2 bad on a scale from great, very good, good, ok,bad,awful.
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good/bad is NOT a reflection of enjoyment but rather strategic options (also the above ratings are opinions; I can expand on the opinion and you can have a different opinion but there is no correct/incorrect rating
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Anyways no matter how many folks like a game there will be folks who dislike the game; nothing wrong with that - if you enjoy it play it else don't
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Back to the kayran - oddly i found it to be the 2nd harrdest fight in the game and afterwards the game became progressively easier.
 

Keeper

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Is there an "Adult version" of this game? I hate this US "telling me what I cant buy or not. So I bought TW1 from the UK. LOVE the gritty language. the red-headed dwarf.. the first time I met him. WOW. I thought I was on shore leave with some sailors.

Reading some of the reviews here, glad to see that I was NOT the only one who tried multiple times and could not FINISH TW1. Running everywhere. SO much loot.

Ugh.... Do i need another game? Sure!!!!
 

-Slacker-

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Feb 24, 2010
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It's a frustrating piece of ass shit. There's this part at the beginning of chapter 1 where you have to fight a small army of enemies that come at you from all sides, and you have to fight them all in a very small area.

Nothing works.

Every attack the witcher does is followed by a brief period of stun lock in which you can and WILL be chopped up. That's right, your enemies don't even have to do it themselves, YOU stun yourself for them.

You can't be anywhere near an enemy, because you're going to get hit, unless you barrel roll just in time, but you have no choice, since the fighting space is so confined.

Your special attacks , like throwing shit are awkward to use because they have a 1 second + "charge period" (I just like to call it stun lock, because that's what it is) and you have to face directly toward the mob that you have to kill, which doesn't sound out of the ordinary, but, in this game, and especially in confined spaces, you don't aim with your mouse, because you don't have time to slalom around, doing wide turns, or you'll enter they enemy's attack range; You pretty much have to turn using the wasd keys, and that's how you'll aim in situations that warrant split second decisions.

Oh, did I mention AoE attacks also hurt you if you stand in the .. AoE (which you'll have to more often than you'd like)? Yeah, have fun with that.

And good luck trying to actually lock on to the target you want to hit. Especially useful when you're trying to fight unreasonably high numbers of enemies. And by useful, I mean hair-tearing, keyboard-breaking annoying.

Your first attempt at using skills won't do jack, because you're stuck with only one useless skill tree until the stone pixie god decides that you've wasted enough points in abilities that don't change the outcome of anything. The most useful starting skills might seem to be those that increase your blocking abilities, but in a big fight, you'll have more luck with winning the fight by telling bad chuck norris jokes than by actually blocking.



In other words, the combat is completely broken. You might find the game easy at first, but that's just the developers lying to you. In reality, it's unplayable. I see that some posters said the game is good once you get used to it. People, you do realize that's not actually a plus in the game's favor, right? Driving a sports car with your teeth might get good eventually, but you'll also lose your teeth.

I can't believe I spent 50 euros for this garbage.

OP, don't make the same mistake. You want a challenging action RPG? Play Risen instead. It's hard for all the right reasons, not because it's a broken down pile of crap. Or, better yet, play Gothic 1 and Gothic 2.
 

Demo24

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Aug 5, 2004
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Is there an "Adult version" of this game? I hate this US "telling me what I cant buy or not. So I bought TW1 from the UK. LOVE the gritty language. the red-headed dwarf.. the first time I met him. WOW. I thought I was on shore leave with some sailors.

Reading some of the reviews here, glad to see that I was NOT the only one who tried multiple times and could not FINISH TW1. Running everywhere. SO much loot.

Ugh.... Do i need another game? Sure!!!!

TW2 is uncensored here, no special edition needed.



And don't listen to these naysayers. They just get too frustrated to easily, probably because they are playing wrong. The first battles have been tweaked now, but were completable just fine as they were. The first boss battle was frustrating, although they have helped with that, but once you knew what to do it was actually VERY EASY! Christ, you guys whine about games being to easy and consolized these days and then when someone actually develops a PC game with depth and some effort needed you complain even more.
 

Keeper

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TW2 is uncensored here, no special edition needed.



And don't listen to these naysayers. They just get too frustrated to easily, probably because they are playing wrong. The first battles have been tweaked now, but were completable just fine as they were. The first boss battle was frustrating, although they have helped with that, but once you knew what to do it was actually VERY EASY! Christ, you guys whine about games being to easy and consolized these days and then when someone actually develops a PC game with depth and some effort needed you complain even more.



LOL Allright then... Off to best buy... :sneaky:
I wasn't listening to the naysayers. Cause People DO complain. I think its human nature.


DRAT YOU LOL
 

sigurros81

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Nov 30, 2010
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Uh, no, you cant.



Once i learn to play "properly"? I suppose the same could be said for Dragon's Lair, which is the same combat system for boss battles in this game. Oh, by "learn" you mean play the battle scene a million times until i "learn" the split second timing of key strokes? Wait...wait...NOW! I loved Dragon's Lair as a kid because i did not know any better, that was a long time ago.


Yeah, you can turn off the QTE. It becomes trivial after that. As for the Kayran fight, honestly it's not that hard of a fight. It took me about the 6th try to finally defeat him. I'm not that great of a gamer, just patient. I think the issues with the lot of you gamers these days is that you want to blow straight through a game without having to quickload. The moment a game poses some sort of challenge, you start complaining that the game is unfairly hard.
 

Sureshot324

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Feb 4, 2003
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It's a frustrating piece of ass shit. There's this part at the beginning of chapter 1 where you have to fight a small army of enemies that come at you from all sides, and you have to fight them all in a very small area.

Nothing works.

Every attack the witcher does is followed by a brief period of stun lock in which you can and WILL be chopped up. That's right, your enemies don't even have to do it themselves, YOU stun yourself for them.

You can't be anywhere near an enemy, because you're going to get hit, unless you barrel roll just in time, but you have no choice, since the fighting space is so confined.

Your special attacks , like throwing shit are awkward to use because they have a 1 second + "charge period" (I just like to call it stun lock, because that's what it is) and you have to face directly toward the mob that you have to kill, which doesn't sound out of the ordinary, but, in this game, and especially in confined spaces, you don't aim with your mouse, because you don't have time to slalom around, doing wide turns, or you'll enter they enemy's attack range; You pretty much have to turn using the wasd keys, and that's how you'll aim in situations that warrant split second decisions.

Oh, did I mention AoE attacks also hurt you if you stand in the .. AoE (which you'll have to more often than you'd like)? Yeah, have fun with that.

And good luck trying to actually lock on to the target you want to hit. Especially useful when you're trying to fight unreasonably high numbers of enemies. And by useful, I mean hair-tearing, keyboard-breaking annoying.

Your first attempt at using skills won't do jack, because you're stuck with only one useless skill tree until the stone pixie god decides that you've wasted enough points in abilities that don't change the outcome of anything. The most useful starting skills might seem to be those that increase your blocking abilities, but in a big fight, you'll have more luck with winning the fight by telling bad chuck norris jokes than by actually blocking.



In other words, the combat is completely broken. You might find the game easy at first, but that's just the developers lying to you. In reality, it's unplayable. I see that some posters said the game is good once you get used to it. People, you do realize that's not actually a plus in the game's favor, right? Driving a sports car with your teeth might get good eventually, but you'll also lose your teeth.

I can't believe I spent 50 euros for this garbage.

OP, don't make the same mistake. You want a challenging action RPG? Play Risen instead. It's hard for all the right reasons, not because it's a broken down pile of crap. Or, better yet, play Gothic 1 and Gothic 2.

This. I don't understand how so many people like this game.

Great graphics + great story + great voice acting + shit gameplay = shit game in my book. Gameplay > *

Any action you take in combat locks you in a long animation and you are unable to move or do anything until the animation completes. I HATE that. Combat basically consists of waiting until an enemy breaks away from the group a bit, attack, quickly roll away, and repeat. You can't attack any enemy that is near another because the attack animations are soooo slow that even if you hit him, all the other nearby enemies basically get a free shot on you.

The combat in Oblivion was way better than this.
 

PrayForDeath

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Apr 12, 2004
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This. I don't understand how so many people like this game.

Great graphics + great story + great voice acting + shit gameplay = shit game in my book. Gameplay > *

Any action you take in combat locks you in a long animation and you are unable to move or do anything until the animation completes. I HATE that. Combat basically consists of waiting until an enemy breaks away from the group a bit, attack, quickly roll away, and repeat. You can't attack any enemy that is near another because the attack animations are soooo slow that even if you hit him, all the other nearby enemies basically get a free shot on you.

The combat in Oblivion was way better than this.

It sounds like you didn't get past the prologue or something. You only have issues against large groups in the beginning when you don't have many tools to work with. Later on, you can use bombs that turn enemies against their friends, various aoe attacks, traps, etc. There will be many possible ways to approach group fights.

Challenging combat =/= crappy combat
 

Mem

Lifer
Apr 23, 2000
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I finished Risen on the highest dificulty level and loved it (minus the ending). That's what I would call ass kicking challenging combat.

This, on the other hand, is crappy combat.


I have played and finished both a few times,Risen is a very good game but nothing special in combat,Witcher 2 is also the same combat wise ie nothing special in that area ,these games are really more for story,exploring then combat,however I had no real issues with either and thought both are very good games.

Risen is more Gothic type game then Witcher.

I will say Risen combat was very easy as mage,fireballs you could kill most things without even using any staff attacks.
 
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Mem

Lifer
Apr 23, 2000
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This. I don't understand how so many people like this game.

Great graphics + great story + great voice acting + shit gameplay = shit game in my book. Gameplay > *

Any action you take in combat locks you in a long animation and you are unable to move or do anything until the animation completes. I HATE that. Combat basically consists of waiting until an enemy breaks away from the group a bit, attack, quickly roll away, and repeat. You can't attack any enemy that is near another because the attack animations are soooo slow that even if you hit him, all the other nearby enemies basically get a free shot on you.

The combat in Oblivion was way better than this.

Oblivion was a dumbed down console game,remember Morrowind where you actually had to use your brain and find stuff with no auto navigation to hold you by your hand like in Oblivion,get real will you.

Oblivion combat was simple again, these games are more for exploring and storyline, Oblivion had the shortest storyline of any RPG I had ever played, it was a joke in that area.
 
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you2

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Yea I will second the crappyness of oblivion AND morrowind character development system and combat. In the end all characters were the same and fights were bleh. I generally prefer wticher story (or understand it better ) than oblivion/morro; but i have to say the ending in witcher 2 was one of the worse - problem with series; worse than books as the wait for the next part is even longer....
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Anyways explorating in those game was ok; but i did not find it all that exciting. Maybe I'm getting dull on these games but it has been a while since I've had a really great 'wow' experience in rpg. Actually while dragon age combat sucked the presentation was fantastic.

Oblivion was a dumbed down console game,remember Morrowind where you actually had to use your brain and find stuff with no auto navigation hold you by your hand like in Oblivion,get real will you.

Oblivion combat was simple again, these games are more for exploring and storyline, Oblivion had the shortest storyline of any RPG I had ever played it was a joke in that area.
 

Mem

Lifer
Apr 23, 2000
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Yea I will second the crappyness of oblivion AND morrowind character development system and combat. In the end all characters were the same and fights were bleh. I generally prefer wticher story (or understand it better ) than oblivion/morro; but i have to say the ending in witcher 2 was one of the worse - problem with series; worse than books as the wait for the next part is even longer....
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Anyways explorating in those game was ok; but i did not find it all that exciting. Maybe I'm getting dull on these games but it has been a while since I've had a really great 'wow' experience in rpg. Actually while dragon age combat sucked the presentation was fantastic.


The ending in Witcher 2 was sort of left opened,I did play on both sides and to be honest going king side with humans had the better quests/storyline IMHO,ending wise I thought it was ok ,I've seen worst endings in quite a few RPGs.

Witcher 3 should be interesting to see how the story develops and how much they port over from W2 to tidy up those loose endings/storylines.
 

sigurros81

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Nov 30, 2010
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The ending in Witcher 2 was sort of left opened,I did play on both sides and to be honest going king side with humans had the better quests/storyline IMHO,ending wise I thought it was ok ,I've seen worst endings in quite a few RPGs.

Witcher 3 should be interesting to see how the story develops and how much they port over from W2 to tidy up those loose endings/storylines.

The ending to Witcher 2 left me wanting more but at the same time satisfied. I hope CDProjekt do what good games use to do is have expasions that play on the continuation of a story, so instead of having to wait for Witcher 3, maybe we'll get a meaty expansion to play. At least that's my hope.
 

JamesV

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Jul 9, 2011
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The Witcher 2 has alot going for it, but I'm just not sucked into the game like I have been with others in the past.

It has great graphics, voice acting, and mostly great writing, but the UI is horrible at best when dealing with inventory, and the combat is frustrating at times since it's common to get into battles with 5-10 enemies where wading into them means death; you almost have to try and seperate one enemy from the group at a time.

The worst part of the combat though, is that enemies have a range they will not move out of. This means that alot of times you can simply sit 20 feet away and spam Aard signs at them to kill them, without hardly any chance of being attacked. Reminds me alot of the Bethesda glitches that persist to today (and will probably be in Skyrim) - stand on a 3 foot high rock and you can kill tons of enemies that circle the rock.

Players that love a good story, and pick up every book and read it thoroughly will probably love the Witcher 2, but if you are a fan of action and character development over role playing, you might not like it so much.
 

PrayForDeath

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Apr 12, 2004
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The ending to Witcher 2 left me wanting more but at the same time satisfied. I hope CDProjekt do what good games use to do is have expasions that play on the continuation of a story, so instead of having to wait for Witcher 3, maybe we'll get a meaty expansion to play. At least that's my hope.

Before the game's release, the developers said that they're planning to release free DLCs (two of which have been released so far) as well as expansions (not free) that would continue the storyline.

So there's a good chance we might learn more about the story before W3.
 
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