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jlee

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3) insurance for a young male is not negligible either. granted my bike is 600cc, but it was $1100/year for me.



I pay ~$75/year for my SV650..granted, I don't have comp/collision on it, though.
 

Fenixgoon

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I pay ~$75/year for my SV650..granted, I don't have comp/collision on it, though.

damn! what kind of coverage do you have? i have:

250/500/100k
250/500/100k
5k medical payments
500 deductibles on comp/collision
roadside assistance
 

jlee

Lifer
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damn! what kind of coverage do you have? i have:

250/500/100k
250/500/100k
5k medical payments
500 deductibles on comp/collision
roadside assistance

50/100/50 no comp/collision, and practically every discount known to man...last time I checked, the only other discounts I could get was 'married' and 'has kids', neither of which are in the cards right now.
 

Fenixgoon

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50/100/50 no comp/collision, and practically every discount known to man...last time I checked, the only other discounts I could get was 'married' and 'has kids', neither of which are in the cards right now.

that explains it. i also dont get any discounts for MSF or multiple vehicles *shakes fist at statefarm*
 

grrl

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Since you are really short - you are going to need to get the bike lowered

1) Find a bike owned by a woman who had the bike lowered.

2) Hyosung 250's are not a bad choice.

The Hyosung's seat isn't all that short. 31.3 inches versus 31.1 on the Suzuki 500 and 30.5" on the Kawasaki 250. That extra inch will mean a lot to FBB.

For a cheap first bike though the Hyosung is a good choice.
 

grrl

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<snip>BTW, would it be possible to ride this bike with a backpack containing SLR, laptop, and a collapsed tripod?<snip>

You can wear a smallish backpack while riding, but it's not that comfortable. If you need to carry lots of stuff get a top case. I have this one on a Hyosung 250 and it will easily hold your laptop and camera gear.

http://www.solomotoparts.com/produc...e=froogle&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Froogle

Givi also makes 21-liter side cases if you need extra storage.

http://www.solomotoparts.com/product.php?productid=19584&cat=0&page=1

Your tripod will have to be strapped across the pillion though.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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When I see a vehicle coming the other way with their left turn signal on I instinctively cover my brake, roll off the throttle and look for escape routes.

BTW-Ever ride a motorcycle through a swarm of bees?

This. If you learn nothing else this is the piece of information that will save your life. It applies equally to cars pulling out from side streets. They simply don't see you, they look right through you and pull out in front of you.
 

EricMartello

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I don't think it's such a big deal riding a motorcycle. If you hit a car and get knocked off you'll probably survive the fall. If you get impaled or wrap around a utility pole depends on how fast you were going.

I'd say that 90&#37; of the people who get injured or die on motorcycles are the douchebags who take unecessary risks, such as driving between cars on the highway going 80+, doing stunts, racing or riding bikes that the cannot control (i.e. liter bikes).

You could start with a 600 and be fine, these people telling you to start with a 250 are being really conservative. You'll find the limits of that 250 pretty fast if you ever plan to ride on anything that constitutes a highway...plus the quicker acceleration you get with a faster bike lets you stay ahead of a pack of cars rather than being stuck among them.
 

Perknose

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When I see a vehicle coming the other way with their left turn signal on I instinctively cover my brake, roll off the throttle and look for escape routes.

BTW-Ever ride a motorcycle through a swarm of bees?
This. If you learn nothing else this is the piece of information that will save your life. It applies equally to cars pulling out from side streets. They simply don't see you, they look right through you and pull out in front of you.

Absolutely. This cannot be emphasized enough. I got in the habit of looking into the cars to catch the driver's eyes and see what he was seeing/doing, and it probably saved my life more than once.

Also factor in what I can only call outright disrespect by the four wheeled ones.

And, weather, yeah. Even going from concrete to forrest on a cooler summer eve and the ambient temp drops noticeably.

Copy that bees warning, too. Your added speed makes the impact that much more nasty.

Just NEVER be complacent on a cycle -- no daydreaming whatsoever.
 

Greenman

Lifer
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Since you are really short - you are going to need to get the bike lowered

1) Find a bike owned by a woman who had the bike lowered.

2) Hyosung 250's are not a bad choice.

I've heard that the Chinese bikes are a nightmare to get parts for, break often, and aren't well made. This is hearsay, but I've heard enough that I'd check into it before buying.
 

Greenman

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Absolutely. This cannot be emphasized enough. I got in the habit of looking into the cars to catch the driver's eyes and see what he was seeing/doing, and it probably saved my life more than once.

Also factor in what I can only call outright disrespect by the four wheeled ones.

And, weather, yeah. Even going from concrete to forrest on a cooler summer eve and the ambient temp drops noticeably.

Copy that bees warning, too. Your added speed makes the impact that much more nasty.

Just NEVER be complacent on a cycle -- no daydreaming whatsoever.

You ride Perk? If so, what?
 

Greenman

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I don't think it's such a big deal riding a motorcycle. If you hit a car and get knocked off you'll probably survive the fall. If you get impaled or wrap around a utility pole depends on how fast you were going.

I'd say that 90% of the people who get injured or die on motorcycles are the douchebags who take unecessary risks, such as driving between cars on the highway going 80+, doing stunts, racing or riding bikes that the cannot control (i.e. liter bikes).

You could start with a 600 and be fine, these people telling you to start with a 250 are being really conservative. You'll find the limits of that 250 pretty fast if you ever plan to ride on anything that constitutes a highway...plus the quicker acceleration you get with a faster bike lets you stay ahead of a pack of cars rather than being stuck among them.

You have no idea. 25 mph is flat out screaming when it's your ass on the pavement. Going down at any speed hurts, hitting anything breaks bones, getting run over by the guy behind you after going down sets the standard by which all other crappy days are measured.

Your stats are a little off, about 43% of motorcycle crashes are solo events, and most of those involve speed, booze, stupidity, or some combination of the three.
Liter bike riders die 4 times more often than all the other classes of bikes, most of them are under 24.
 

Zenmervolt

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You could start with a 600 and be fine,

Yeah, and you can hand a 16 year old the keys to a 427 Cobra and he "could" be fine too. You'd still be a complete and utter moron to do it.

A 600cc sportbike is a racing bike with the bare minimum of changes to make it street-legal. The power delivery is ridiculously peaky and one newbie mistake with the throttle can instigate a wheelie or break the back end loose in a corner. The chassis is designed for responsiveness, which makes the bikes twitchy and ill-suited for novice riders.

600cc machines are racing machines. Take off the mirrors and turn signals, add a race exhaust, and a good rider can be competitive on the track against pros. That's about as far away from the recipe for a good starter bike as you can get

Just because some people have managed to survive foolish choices doesn't make those choices any less foolish. Anyone recommending a 600cc sportbike as a first bike is either woefully uninformed or simply stupid.

ZV
 

Perknose

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You ride Perk? If so, what?

Lol, years ago. I went up the ladder from a 50cc that said Harley Davidson on the side (made by Aermachi) when I was 16 to a 175cc Bridgestone (when they were the fastest in their class) to a 500cc Mach III Kawasaki (when they were (briefly) the fastest motorcycle in the whole damn world.)

Those Mach III's were insane. All (three cylinder) engine, the power hit like a gut punch @ 5500 rpm, truly evil handling, they would begin to oscillate up and down in a hard curve, evil.

But I could take most Sportsters and anything else off the line whose riders hadn't gotten or didn't believe the memo.

I also punched through the side engine casing taking it down a rocky fire trail in Laurel Canyon, for which they were manifestly not designed.

Got two speeding tickets within 15 minutes of each other the day I got it back from the shop -- one on Sunset Drive and the second out on the Coast Highway in Malibu.

Then, years later when I returned to the States, I had a used 500cc SINGLE cylinder Triumph -- very rare, not a dirt bike, just a thumper --for awhile. I've had people try to tell me there was no such bike. I had one.

I'm so old school, for want of a better term, it's ridiculous. I read here where posters tell FBB a 250 won't have enough power for him to start and I have to laugh. We went on multi-state tours with our 175's just because no one told us we couldn't, I guess.

In Europe three German girls and I hooked up with another German guy and a British guy who came all the way from England on his 125cc Honda on the beaches near Saint Marie de la Mer for the annual Gypsy Festival.

We then caravaned together along the French coast on through Monaco and into Italy, sleeping out wherever we could, along the Mediterranean and then up into the mountains where the natives in the little mountainside villages would tell us, "The Romans never conquered us" on up on this SINGLE lane, no side rails, dirt rally road with the occasional turn off to let opposite traffic pass (there wasn't but two other vehicles the whole way, though.)

You had to beep your horn continually going around the blind hairpin turns up and up and up to this mountain top where we were literally above the damn clouds and tripped. The English guy had brought the acid. In his backpack with what camping gear he had on his 125 cc. And when he parted ways with us he was going on to several other countries.

Just saying.

So, yeah, I tend to think you guys (collectively) are a bit hardware obsessed and perhaps missing the simple thrill of taking, say, a Fiat 850 or an old Volvo and simply wringing everything out of it in a drive that it has to give -- KNOWING you got every last ounce out of a machine that it had in it, that kind of thrill.

I mean, I'm no big-time wrencher but I went through a couple of Corvairs -- my first one, before they even had good seals for them -- and three VW's, including a six volt bug with a sunroof and two vans back in the day.

You don't go 'round the country in a used pop-top camper w/o having rebuilt that baby to begin with and then subsequently with the very finest of Brazilian parts, I tell you whut!

But, yeah, I know I don't really fit in on this forum.

Tough titties, I post here occasionally anyway. <shrug>
 

punjabiplaya

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Nov 12, 2006
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Lol, years ago. I went up the ladder from a 50cc that said Harley Davidson on the side (made by Aermachi) when I was 16 to a 175cc Bridgestone (when they were the fastest in their class) to a 500cc Mach III Kawasaki (when they were (briefly) the fastest motorcycle in the whole damn world.)

Those Mach III's were insane. All (three cylinder) engine, the power hit like a gut punch @ 5500 rpm, truly evil handling, they would begin to oscillate up and down in a hard curve, evil.

But I could take most Sportsters and anything else off the line whose riders hadn't gotten or didn't believe the memo.

I also punched through the side engine casing taking it down a rocky fire trail in Laurel Canyon, for which they were manifestly not designed.

Got two speeding tickets within 15 minutes of each other the day I got it back from the shop -- one on Sunset Drive and the second out on the Coast Highway in Malibu.

Then, years later when I returned to the States, I had a used 500cc SINGLE cylinder Triumph -- very rare, not a dirt bike, just a thumper --for awhile. I've had people try to tell me there was no such bike. I had one.

I'm so old school, for want of a better term, it's ridiculous. I read here where posters tell FBB a 250 won't have enough power for him to start and I have to laugh. We went on multi-state tours with our 175's just because no one told us we couldn't, I guess.

In Europe three German girls and I hooked up with another German guy and a British guy who came all the way from England on his 125cc Honda on the beaches near Saint Marie de la Mer for the annual Gypsy Festival.

We then caravaned together along the French coast on through Monaco and into Italy, sleeping out wherever we could, along the Mediterranean and then up into the mountains where the natives in the little mountainside villages would tell us, "The Romans never conquered us" on up on this SINGLE lane, no side rails, dirt rally road with the occasional turn off to let opposite traffic pass (there wasn't but two other vehicles the whole way, though.)

You had to beep your horn continually going around the blind hairpin turns up and up and up to this mountain top where we were literally above the damn clouds and tripped. The English guy had brought the acid. In his backpack with what camping gear he had on his 125 cc. And when he parted ways with us he was going on to several other countries.

Just saying.

So, yeah, I tend to think you guys (collectively) are a bit hardware obsessed and perhaps missing the simple thrill of taking, say, a Fiat 850 or an old Volvo and simply wringing everything out of it in a drive that it has to give -- KNOWING you got every last ounce out of a machine that it had in it, that kind of thrill.

I mean, I'm no big-time wrencher but I went through a couple of Corvairs -- my first one, before they even had good seals for them -- and three VW's, including a six volt bug with a sunroof and two vans back in the day.

You don't go 'round the country in a used pop-top camper w/o having rebuilt that baby to begin with and then subsequently with the very finest of Brazilian parts, I tell you whut!

But, yeah, I know I don't really fit in on this forum.

Tough titties, I post here occasionally anyway. <shrug>

Small underpowered cars can be great fun too (as James May agrees). I remember driving my old '93 Sentra like a lunatic against my friend's '80 Celica. Good times.
 
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Zenmervolt

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Oct 22, 2000
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I'm so old school, for want of a better term, it's ridiculous. I read here where posters tell FBB a 250 won't have enough power for him to start and I have to laugh. We went on multi-state tours with our 175's just because no one told us we couldn't, I guess.

If you're under 7-foot tall and less than 350 pounds, a 250 will do just fine, that's my position.

For anyone who has read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance", Pirsig rode that two-up, cross-country trip with a full array of camping gear lashed to the bike on a Honda CB77; a 305cc bike with all of 28 horsepower at the crankshaft. That's equal to what the Ninja 250 has at the wheel. And lest you think he was going slowly, he ran sections of the trip above 90 mph.

While I absolutely love my 1200cc Harley, it's my old 450cc Honda that is emphatically Not For Sale, not at any price.

ZV
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Lol, years ago. I went up the ladder from a 50cc that said Harley Davidson on the side (made by Aermachi) when I was 16 to a 175cc Bridgestone (when they were the fastest in their class) to a 500cc Mach III Kawasaki (when they were (briefly) the fastest motorcycle in the whole damn world.)

Those Mach III's were insane. All (three cylinder) engine, the power hit like a gut punch @ 5500 rpm, truly evil handling, they would begin to oscillate up and down in a hard curve, evil.

But I could take most Sportsters and anything else off the line whose riders hadn't gotten or didn't believe the memo.

I also punched through the side engine casing taking it down a rocky fire trail in Laurel Canyon, for which they were manifestly not designed.

Got two speeding tickets within 15 minutes of each other the day I got it back from the shop -- one on Sunset Drive and the second out on the Coast Highway in Malibu.

Then, years later when I returned to the States, I had a used 500cc SINGLE cylinder Triumph -- very rare, not a dirt bike, just a thumper --for awhile. I've had people try to tell me there was no such bike. I had one.

I'm so old school, for want of a better term, it's ridiculous. I read here where posters tell FBB a 250 won't have enough power for him to start and I have to laugh. We went on multi-state tours with our 175's just because no one told us we couldn't, I guess.

In Europe three German girls and I hooked up with another German guy and a British guy who came all the way from England on his 125cc Honda on the beaches near Saint Marie de la Mer for the annual Gypsy Festival.

We then caravaned together along the French coast on through Monaco and into Italy, sleeping out wherever we could, along the Mediterranean and then up into the mountains where the natives in the little mountainside villages would tell us, "The Romans never conquered us" on up on this SINGLE lane, no side rails, dirt rally road with the occasional turn off to let opposite traffic pass (there wasn't but two other vehicles the whole way, though.)

You had to beep your horn continually going around the blind hairpin turns up and up and up to this mountain top where we were literally above the damn clouds and tripped. The English guy had brought the acid. In his backpack with what camping gear he had on his 125 cc. And when he parted ways with us he was going on to several other countries.

Just saying.

So, yeah, I tend to think you guys (collectively) are a bit hardware obsessed and perhaps missing the simple thrill of taking, say, a Fiat 850 or an old Volvo and simply wringing everything out of it in a drive that it has to give -- KNOWING you got every last ounce out of a machine that it had in it, that kind of thrill.

I mean, I'm no big-time wrencher but I went through a couple of Corvairs -- my first one, before they even had good seals for them -- and three VW's, including a six volt bug with a sunroof and two vans back in the day.

You don't go 'round the country in a used pop-top camper w/o having rebuilt that baby to begin with and then subsequently with the very finest of Brazilian parts, I tell you whut!

But, yeah, I know I don't really fit in on this forum.

Tough titties, I post here occasionally anyway. <shrug>

I owned that same Kawasaki, I believe it was a 71. Those things were the most bad ass bike on the street. I still remember the astonishing day that a fellow on a modified Honda 750-4 beat me.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Lol, years ago. I went up the ladder from a 50cc that said Harley Davidson on the side (made by Aermachi) when I was 16 to a 175cc Bridgestone (when they were the fastest in their class) to a 500cc Mach III Kawasaki (when they were (briefly) the fastest motorcycle in the whole damn world.)

Those Mach III's were insane. All (three cylinder) engine, the power hit like a gut punch @ 5500 rpm, truly evil handling, they would begin to oscillate up and down in a hard curve, evil.

But I could take most Sportsters and anything else off the line whose riders hadn't gotten or didn't believe the memo.

I also punched through the side engine casing taking it down a rocky fire trail in Laurel Canyon, for which they were manifestly not designed.

Got two speeding tickets within 15 minutes of each other the day I got it back from the shop -- one on Sunset Drive and the second out on the Coast Highway in Malibu.

Then, years later when I returned to the States, I had a used 500cc SINGLE cylinder Triumph -- very rare, not a dirt bike, just a thumper --for awhile. I've had people try to tell me there was no such bike. I had one.

I'm so old school, for want of a better term, it's ridiculous. I read here where posters tell FBB a 250 won't have enough power for him to start and I have to laugh. We went on multi-state tours with our 175's just because no one told us we couldn't, I guess.

In Europe three German girls and I hooked up with another German guy and a British guy who came all the way from England on his 125cc Honda on the beaches near Saint Marie de la Mer for the annual Gypsy Festival.

We then caravaned together along the French coast on through Monaco and into Italy, sleeping out wherever we could, along the Mediterranean and then up into the mountains where the natives in the little mountainside villages would tell us, "The Romans never conquered us" on up on this SINGLE lane, no side rails, dirt rally road with the occasional turn off to let opposite traffic pass (there wasn't but two other vehicles the whole way, though.)

You had to beep your horn continually going around the blind hairpin turns up and up and up to this mountain top where we were literally above the damn clouds and tripped. The English guy had brought the acid. In his backpack with what camping gear he had on his 125 cc. And when he parted ways with us he was going on to several other countries.

Just saying.

So, yeah, I tend to think you guys (collectively) are a bit hardware obsessed and perhaps missing the simple thrill of taking, say, a Fiat 850 or an old Volvo and simply wringing everything out of it in a drive that it has to give -- KNOWING you got every last ounce out of a machine that it had in it, that kind of thrill.

I mean, I'm no big-time wrencher but I went through a couple of Corvairs -- my first one, before they even had good seals for them -- and three VW's, including a six volt bug with a sunroof and two vans back in the day.

You don't go 'round the country in a used pop-top camper w/o having rebuilt that baby to begin with and then subsequently with the very finest of Brazilian parts, I tell you whut!

But, yeah, I know I don't really fit in on this forum.

Tough titties, I post here occasionally anyway. <shrug>

:thumbsup: This is why I haven't gotten bored with my lowly SV650. Would I like to own a different bike? SURE! I'd like to own a whole garage full of bikes actually. But I still get a big grin on my face when I take this bike up into the local mountains and frequently I can hang with guys on far more capable machines or even leave them in my dust when the roads get curvy.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Is highway traffic difficult to keep up with on a 250? I'm 150lb.
 

grrl

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Is highway traffic difficult to keep up with on a 250? I'm 150lb.

To repeat what some of us have already said, a 250 is fine, and an excellent starter bike. I'm the same weight as you and have no problem doing the speed limit on my 250. I can even manage it two up, although long hills and headwinds slow you down on that size bike with a second passenger.
 

Kroze

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I had a 2009 Ninja 250R and it does 100mph just fine.

After 90mph, it'll take a while to get to 100mph but it will get there.
 
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